Vetting Process And Contracts For New General Authorities?

[Scott Lloyd]

Sure.  But with the passing away of 3 members of the Twelve wouldn't those speaking slots be open and available for the newly called?

This is a good point. Ordinarily, each member of the Twelve speaks during the conference.

[jkwilliams]

This is a good point. Ordinarily, each member of the Twelve speaks during the conference.

I have a distinct memory of Elder Oaks speaking at the conference when he was called, saying, "I'm thrilled with this calling." Not sure where the idea came from that they don't speak at the conference when they are called.

[Scott Lloyd]

I have a distinct memory of Elder Oaks speaking at the conference when he was called, saying, "I'm thrilled with this calling." Not sure where the idea came from that they don't speak at the conference when they are called.

Your memory of the words he spoke is spot on.

 

But because of unusual circumstances, he did not speak during the conference at which he was sustained:

 

 

My dear brothers and sisters, because it was not appropriate for me to commence my Church service until I had concluded my judicial duties in state government, I did not speak at the April conference where I was sustained. Consequently, this semiannual conference is my first opportunity to speak to the general membership of the Church, to express acceptance of my calling to the Council of the Twelve.

I am thrilled with this calling.

Edited to add:

 

Elder (now President) Russell M. Nelson, on the other hand, who was sustained at the same general conference at which Elder Oaks was sustained, did speak at that conference.

 

Not sure where the idea came from that they don't speak at the conference when they are called.

 

New members of the Seventy usually don't these days. That's probably where the idea came from.

Edited September 29, 2015 by Scott Lloyd

[jkwilliams]

Your memory of the words he spoke is spot on.

 

But because of unusual circumstances, he did not speak during the conference at which he was sustained:

I stand corrected. Either way, his words indicate that, if not for the judicial duties, he would have spoken in April conference. So, I was half-right, which is 50% better than usual.

[Teancum]

Yeah, but it clashes with the sheep's clothing. 

 

 

You are such a viscous wolf....  

[Scott Lloyd]

You are such a viscous wolf....  

Are you saying jkwilliams is a wolf who has "a thick, sticky consistency between solid and liquid"?

[Teancum]

Are you saying jkwilliams is a wolf who has "a thick, sticky consistency between solid and liquid"?

Ahhh ya caught me again you grammar and spelling Nazi you! :-)

[Kenngo1969]

Ahhh ya caught me again you grammar and spelling Nazi you! :-)

Is that a Godwin's Law violation?

[Scott Lloyd]

Ahhh ya caught me again you grammar and spelling Nazi you! :-)

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and guessing you were victimized by an overzealous and misguided auto-correct.

Edited September 30, 2015 by Scott Lloyd

[jkwilliams]

Are you saying jkwilliams is a wolf who has "a thick, sticky consistency between solid and liquid"?

For the record, it's 10w-40.

[bluebell]

This article has some interesting information from Pres. Nelson on the likelihood of new apostles being called this weekend.

 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865637915/President-Nelson-reflects-on-being-an-Apostle-of-the-Lord-discusses-possible-announcement-of-3-new.html?pg=all

[HappyJackWagon]

This article has some interesting information from Pres. Nelson on the likelihood of new apostles being called this weekend.

 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865637915/President-Nelson-reflects-on-being-an-Apostle-of-the-Lord-discusses-possible-announcement-of-3-new.html?pg=all

Interesting thoughts by Elder Nelson. He said...

 

“We may see that where a man is called to the Quorum of the Twelve he has to have a transitional period of disengagement from whatever he is doing to his new calling.”

This came after he described how both he and Elder Oaks had a transition period before they could fully take on the responsibilities of their new callings. It sounds like he may be preparing us for someone being called who may need a little transition time which would suggest that at least one of the new apostles may be coming from outside the current church heirarchy of full time commited callings such as Presidents of the 70. It will be interesting to see wht happens.

[jkwilliams]

This article has some interesting information from Pres. Nelson on the likelihood of new apostles being called this weekend.

 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865637915/President-Nelson-reflects-on-being-an-Apostle-of-the-Lord-discusses-possible-announcement-of-3-new.html?pg=all

Wow, I completely forgot it was this weekend. Of course, my wife will have it on in our home, so it wouldn't have passed unnoticed. Just kind of sneaked up on me.

[Scott Lloyd]

Interesting thoughts by Elder Nelson. He said...

This came after he described how both he and Elder Oaks had a transition period before they could fully take on the responsibilities of their new callings. It sounds like he may be preparing us for someone being called who may need a little transition time which would suggest that at least one of the new apostles may be coming from outside the current church heirarchy of full time commited callings such as Presidents of the 70. It will be interesting to see wht happens.

I don't know how you get that when he clearly was quoted in the same article as saying:

 

“People are wondering if there will be apostles chosen at this conference,” Elder Nelson said in a conversation with the Church News on Sept. 29. He said there probably will be announcements of new apostles, “but that is a matter between the Lord and His prophet.”

 

 

President Nelson is not the president of the Church.

[Duncan]

Interesting thoughts by Elder Nelson. He said...

This came after he described how both he and Elder Oaks had a transition period before they could fully take on the responsibilities of their new callings. It sounds like he may be preparing us for someone being called who may need a little transition time which would suggest that at least one of the new apostles may be coming from outside the current church heirarchy of full time commited callings such as Presidents of the 70. It will be interesting to see wht happens.

 

I got that take as well, ooh now I am all goose pimply!

Edited September 30, 2015 by Duncan

[Scott Lloyd]

I got that take as well, ooh now I am all goose pimply!

"It's a matter between the Lord and His prophet."

[ttribe]

President Nelson is not the president of the Church.

 

[Scott Lloyd]

 

The point is that it's the Church president who issues the call, not the president of the Quorum of the Twelve.

Edited September 30, 2015 by Scott Lloyd

[ttribe]

The point is that it's the Church president who issues the call, not the president of the Quorum of the Twelve.

 

I'm pretty sure most participants on this board know what the point was.  I was having some fun at your expense.  You could lighten up on occasion.

[Scott Lloyd]

I'm pretty sure most participants on this board know what the point was.  I was having some fun at your expense.  You could lighten up on occasion.

Since 90 percent of your posts to me these days are hostile, it can be hard to tell.

[ttribe]

Since 90 percent of your posts to me these days are hostile, it can be hard to tell.

 

[sigh]  You and your mind reading.  Last time it was "rage" you attributed to me (btw, it was incredulity, not rage).  Now it's hostility.

 

BTW, going forward, if I post a meme that uses Ron Burgundy, chances are I'm using humor...not "rage" and not "hostility."

[Duncan]

"It's a matter between the Lord and His prophet."

 

 

Well, now I am wondering if you were called to be something shazzy and glittery and you're being humbly deflective

[HappyJackWagon]

I don't know how you get that when he clearly was quoted in the same article as saying:

 

President Nelson is not the president of the Church.

I'll explain for you. Elder Nelson shared stories about how both he and Elder Oaks both had a transition period after being called to the Q12. He explained that this sometimes occurrs so that new quorum members have time to finish with their other responsibilities. So I speculated that maybe he's preparing us for a call of someone who may require transition time. It's not a huge leap and I'm not making some difinitive claim. It's just interesting timing for the statement. That's all.

 

Yes. I realize He is not the president of the church. I also realize that the President is the one who issues the call (unless of course the president is incapacitated). Do those two things add up to a sure knowledge that Pres. Nelson has absolutely NO clue about who will be called? It's possible he's in the dark but I'd be pretty surprised.

 

Why so defensive about something like this?

[Scott Lloyd]

Here's an article at lds.org that discusses the process by which an apostle is called.

 

Here's a snippet, quoting Elder Christofferson:

 

“What process he goes through exactly, I'm not sure. That’s, again, something private he pursues. He then brings back, when he’s reached his decision and had the inspiration he needs, the name or names to the council that we have of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles to sustain it. That goes forward to general conference” (in Tadd Walsh, "Elder Christofferson Talks about How President Monson Calls a New Apostle, Reflects on Elder Scott,” Deseret News, Sept. 24, 2015).

 

Whether by now they have reached the point in the process that President Monson has brought "the name or names to the council," I don't know. From the article that has been cited on this thread, based on an interview President Nelosn gave a couple of days ago to my editor, it is at least as easy to conclude that they hadn't reached that point yet as it is to conclude that they had.

Edited October 1, 2015 by Scott Lloyd

[bluebell]

If the Prophet is incapacitated, who issues the call to new apostles?