Elder Richard G. Scott Has Died

[Scott Lloyd]

Spanish and Portuguese are similar? 

 

Mmm-kay.  I'll have to take your word for that!

Well, let me do some backpedaling.

 

I don't know either language, but had always assumed there was a basic similarity, comparable to, say, Swedish and Danish, with which I have some familiarity.

 

Perhaps I was misled by this website, which I looked up before making my post.

 

 

Spanish and Portuguese are two of the world’s most spoken languages. They fall into the branch of Romance languages called West Iberian, or Hispano-Iberian, which has many variants and dialects that, to a certain degree, are understood by all speakers within the branch. Examples are Brazilian Portuguese, European Portuguese, the many varieties of Spanish spoken in the Americas, and Andalusian Spanish.

Despite the close relationship between Spanish and Portuguese, there are important differences, too.

 

 

 

(Emphasis mine)

[jkwilliams]

Well, let me do some backpedaling.

 

I don't know either language, but had always assumed there was a basic similarity, comparable to, say, Swedish and Danish, with which I have some familiarity.

 

Perhaps I was misled by this website, which I looked up before making my post.

(Emphasis mine)

No need for backpedaling. Spanish and Portuguese are quite similar, as you note. Spanish-speakers have no trouble reading Portuguese, and vice versa. There are pretty major pronunciation differences that make it more difficult to comprehend one language if you know another, but even then, it's not that hard to get the main points. In my last area of my mission, near the Brazilian border, the only TV channels locals could get were Brazilian. I asked our landlady if it was difficult to understand, and she said that, although she didn't speak Portuguese fluently, it was easy to follow.

[Tacenda]

Well, let me do some backpedaling.

 

I don't know either language, but had always assumed there was a basic similarity, comparable to, say, Swedish and Danish, with which I have some familiarity.

 

Perhaps I was misled by this website, which I looked up before making my post.

 

 

 

(Emphasis mine)

I thought the same thing Scott. My niece on my husband's side, went to Portugal on her mission and learned Portuguese. When she came home she was still able to speak Spanish somehow with my Hispanic son in law. So I thought they were similar also.

[jkwilliams]

I thought the same thing Scott. My niece on my husband's side, went to Portugal on her mission and learned Portuguese. When she came home she was still able to speak Spanish somehow with my Hispanic son in law. So I thought they were similar also.

They are very similar. I think Ken was being sarcastic.

For example, here are the translations of a paragraph from a Deseret News article about Elder Scott:

Portuguese: Elder Scott, que serviu como um apóstolo de A Igreja de Jesus Cristo dos Santos dos Últimos Dias durante 27 anos, foi o quarto em senioridade no Quórum dos Doze no momento da sua morte.

Spanish: Elder Scott, que sirvió como un apóstol de La Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Últimos Días durante 27 años, fue cuarto en la senioridad en el Quórum de los Doce en el momento de su muerte.

Edited September 23, 2015 by jkwilliams

[Tacenda]

http://kutv.com/news/local/with-passing-of-3-lds-church-leaders-important-change-is-ahead

I wonder what changes are ahead they speak about in this news clip.

[Kenngo1969]

They are very similar. I think Ken was being sarcastic. ...

Noooooo!

 

Me, sarcastic?  

 

(Similar in appearance does not similar pronunciation make!)

[Gray]

Well, let me do some backpedaling.

 

I don't know either language, but had always assumed there was a basic similarity, comparable to, say, Swedish and Danish, with which I have some familiarity.

 

Perhaps I was misled by this website, which I looked up before making my post.

 

 

 

(Emphasis mine)

 

They are quite similar, although Spanish speakers have a hard time understanding spoken Brazilian Portuguese, due to different pronunciation rules. But as far as the written languages go, if you can understand one you can understand much of the other

[ALarson]

http://kutv.com/news/local/with-passing-of-3-lds-church-leaders-important-change-is-ahead

I wonder what changes are ahead they speak about in this news clip.

Of course, I don't know what change there will be or if that will happen.

 

But yesterday someone posted on another forum (who claims to have inside information) that the 3 have already been "identified" and are younger (I thought, "of course, they're younger!").  

 

Here's a quote from them:

 "My sources tell me the 3 new ones have already been identified and are ready to go. I can't give names or reveal my source other than to say it won't be a surprise if you have your ear to the ground.  According to my source, the message and tone of general conference will be that of "whom the Lord calls, the Lord qualifies." Change is in the air and the intent is for the younger faction to push ahead much needed change and progressive thinking to retain the youth. This is a pivotal time in the modern history of the church."

Edited September 23, 2015 by ALarson

[jkwilliams]

Noooooo!

 

Me, sarcastic?  

 

(Similar in appearance does not similar pronunciation make!)

Yep, there are major differences in pronunciation.

[Guest]

Does this make three Apostles since last conference?

[ttribe]

Does this make three Apostles since last conference?

 

Yes.

[jkwilliams]

FWIW, a friend of mine who is a member of the Scott family tells me that the story reported about Elder Scott kicking his son out is not true. She says that whatever estrangement there may have been was on the part of the son, not Elder Scott.

[Tacenda]

FWIW, a friend of mine who is a member of the Scott family tells me that the story reported about Elder Scott kicking his son out is not true. She says that whatever estrangement there may have been was on the part of the son, not Elder Scott.

That's what I thought.  Now to find that FB feed and make the comment. 

[jkwilliams]

That's what I thought.  Now to find that FB feed and make the comment.

It's not hard to see how a story about him being temporarily estranged from his gay son might morph into "he kicked his son out of the house for being gay." Doesn't mean it's true. My friend says he came out as gay in his late 20s, so it would have been weird if he had been living at home.

[Zakuska]

As a Portuguese Speaker I can vouch.  I can understand Spanish but they have a hard time understanding me.

[jkwilliams]

As a Portuguese Speaker I can vouch.  I can understand Spanish but they have a hard time understanding me.

Maybe your Portuguese sucks.

[Tacenda]

It's not hard to see how a story about him being temporarily estranged from his gay son might morph into "he kicked his son out of the house for being gay." Doesn't mean it's true. My friend says he came out as gay in his late 20s, so it would have been weird if he had been living at home.

Not that this matters, but I read that he has some adopted children.  From the wiki below it doesn't mention it.  But from the link of an article in 2010...by our cyber friend Scott Lloyd, there is mention in Elder Scott's talk about parents not being able to physically have children.  Sounds like to me he and Jeanene adopted.  One quote I read, not sure where or would link, said that one of the adopted children was an older child.  Also, quite a nice story of Elder Scott's early childhood into early adulthood!  I'm sure more will come out about his life at his funeral.  Something of note also...he was an artist...specializing in water colors.   http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=13214225

 

 

Quote from Wiki:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_G._Scott

 

"The Scotts had seven children, five of whom reached adulthood. Their first son died after an operation to correct a congenital heart condition. Their second daughter lived only minutes and died six weeks before the death of their first son.^[5] Jeanene Watkins Scott died on May 15, 1995, after a short battle with cancer."

 

 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705386037/Elder-Richard-G-Scott-praises-family-home-as-pillars-of-happiness.html?pg=all

 

"Noting that some parents are not physically able to have children, Elder Scott said, "I am a witness that the Lord can guide such parents to spirits He would have in their home through the process of adoption. Later when those children are sealed in the temple by the authority of the holy priesthood, they are in every sense equivalent to children born to that couple in the covenant."

Edited September 23, 2015 by Tacenda

[Scott Lloyd]

It's not hard to see how a story about him being temporarily estranged from his gay son might morph into "he kicked his son out of the house for being gay." Doesn't mean it's true. My friend says he came out as gay in his late 20s, so it would have been weird if he had been living at home.

I interviewed his youngest son Michael this morning.

 

In our relatively brief (12 minute) conversation, the subject of the sexual orientation of his children never came up. But Mike did make this comment that I think is relevant to our conversation here:

 

I got to see him both as a public figure and in his private moments. And what I love and respect about my dad so much is that both of those things were completely in harmony. And this was just truly a good man. I saw him in his worst moments, tired and everything goes wrong and things break and cars break down, all the things of life, and I’ve watched him through all those things, and, great man.

 

[Scott Lloyd]

Not that this matters, but I read that he has some adopted children.  From the wiki below it doesn't mention it.  But from the link of an article in 2010...by our cyber friend Scott Lloyd, there is mention in Elder Scott's talk about parents not being able to physically have children.  Sounds like to me he and Jeanene adopted.  One quote I read, not sure where or would link, said that one of the adopted children was an older child.  Also, quite a nice story of Elder Scott's early childhood into early adulthood!  I'm sure more will come out about his life at his funeral.  Something of note also...he was an artist...specializing in water colors.   http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=13214225

 

 

Quote from Wiki:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_G._Scott

 

"The Scotts had seven children, five of whom reached adulthood. Their first son died after an operation to correct a congenital heart condition. Their second daughter lived only minutes and died six weeks before the death of their first son.^[5] Jeanene Watkins Scott died on May 15, 1995, after a short battle with cancer."

 

 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705386037/Elder-Richard-G-Scott-praises-family-home-as-pillars-of-happiness.html?pg=all

 

"Noting that some parents are not physically able to have children, Elder Scott said, "I am a witness that the Lord can guide such parents to spirits He would have in their home through the process of adoption. Later when those children are sealed in the temple by the authority of the holy priesthood, they are in every sense equivalent to children born to that couple in the covenant."

Yes, it's true that all of the five surviving Scott children except the eldest were adopted.

 

I'll have more about that in the story I'm writing from my interview this morning. I'll try to remember to post a link.

 

Eidted to add:

 

Here's the link.

Edited September 24, 2015 by Scott Lloyd

[Duncan]

Is his son active in the Church? On another note, i'd be surprised if they called 3 new Apostles at conference, maybe just 2 and call the other man another time.

[jkwilliams]

I interviewed his youngest son Michael this morning.

 

In our relatively brief (12 minute) conversation, the subject of the sexual orientation of his children never came up. But Mike did make this comment that I think is relevant to our conversation here:

 

Thanks for that. As I said earlier, it's sad that people want to take time at a man's death to spread unfounded rumors about him. I suppose it's human nature, but it's not right. I have no doubt he was a good man with a good heart. 

[Buckeye]

CFR? I was a fundamentalist for a time, I have studied it extensively and I have never heard that. They have respet for the stand he took but do not claim authority through him.

Two main sources of authority:

1) 1886 meeting where Pres, John Taylor commissioned the Wooley boys to keep the practice alive. (FLDS, AUB, Righteous Branch, etc...)

2) Alma Dyer LeBaron claimed to receive authority through an adopted son of Joseph Smith, Benjamin F. Johnson (LeBarons, Independent Fundamentalist types) 

 

I removed the statement. That was my understanding, but I'm not sure where I got it. Thanks for the catch.

[Buckeye]

As a Portuguese Speaker I can vouch.  I can understand Spanish but they have a hard time understanding me.

 

As a Spanish speaker I can also vouch. I served in a spanish branch where the president had served is mission in Brazil. He could understand everyone pretty well, and they could even understand his imperfect attempt at Spanish. But no one could understand his Portuguese.

 

I believe this reason for this is that, historically speaking, Portuguese is the more "pure" language of the ibearian pennisula. Spanish got infused with arabic and other romance languages. 

[Scott Lloyd]

Thanks for that. As I said earlier, it's sad that people want to take time at a man's death to spread unfounded rumors about him. I suppose it's human nature, but it's not right. I have no doubt he was a good man with a good heart. 

He was indeed.

 

Thank you for that comment.

[Scott Lloyd]

Is his son active in the Church?

The one I spoke to you mean? Or the one whom the rumor is about?

 

The one I interviewed gave every indication he is active.

Edited September 23, 2015 by Scott Lloyd