jkwilliams Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 I don't have a problem with people getting paid for their employment. I don't have a problem with people volunteering their time, and services to their church, or whatever. However I think we need to be clear they are not necessarily the same thing. IE; I am an old retired psychiatric social worker, and I don't expect to be paid for teaching in my High Priest Quorum. BTW Paul was a tent maker by trade. He was paid for his tents, not his preaching. I don't have a problem with people getting paid. My lone experience with LDS Family Services makes me wonder why that guy is paid (or why I had to pay the bill). Total waste of time.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) That's actually pretty weird. Are you one of the moderators? Or maybe this board just doesn't moderate very much?Or maybe Seth's reports are unfounded? Or maybe he was just being funny. Edited August 13, 2015 by Mola Ram Suda Ram
Scott Lloyd Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 That's actually pretty weird. Are you one of the moderators? Or maybe this board just doesn't moderate very much?Well, for one thing, I don't really believe sethpayne on this. But I'm pretty good at following (some might say skirting) the rules. 1
Steve-o Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 Well, for one thing, I don't really believe sethpayne on this. But I'm pretty good at following (some might say skirting) the rules.Still, 0 for 23,000 is a pretty good record
thesometimesaint Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 I don't have a problem with people getting paid. My lone experience with LDS Family Services makes me wonder why that guy is paid (or why I had to pay the bill). Total waste of time. I never worked for LDS Social Services. Not every client is a good fit for every mental health professional. Sorry your experience wasn't positive.
jkwilliams Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 I never worked for LDS Social Services. Not every client is a good fit for every mental health professional. Sorry your experience wasn't positive. My experience can be summarized as follows: LDSFS guy: So, your bishop tells me your wife is in the hospital. How are you doing?Me: Not too bad, considering, but I am under a lot of stress.LDSFS: Oh, good. How good do you think BYU's football team will be this year?Me: I don't know, but aren't we supposed to be talking about how I'm doing?LDSFS: Oh, you're fine, especially compared to the nutjobs I've met in this job. [Then follow 20 minutes of gossip about crazy people he's met in the area.]Me: Are we done yet?LDSFS: Sure, that will be $65. I can take cash or a check.
thesometimesaint Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 It was always $75 for a 45 minute hour with me. I retired too soon, the going rate in my neck of the woods is now $250/hr.
jkwilliams Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 It was always $75 for a 45 minute hour with me. I retired too soon, the going rate in my neck of the woods is now $250/hr. Well, I could be wrong, but I remember the price as $65, but this was around 2006, and my memory isn't what it used to be. Still it was too much to pay for BYU football and gossip.
Calm Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) The one I met in 2004 was a very professional and very good at his job (I have enough training and experience in the field to judge). Six or so sessions iirc got my husband out of a deep over a year funk that had been triggered by our daughter's depression and deepened by stress at work.I met the head of the service a year or two later. He said they were working on making sure everyone met a high standard of professional training, etc.My sister had a horrible experience back in 80ish. The guy was just burning time till he retired or got another job, helped talk my sister's husband out of the Church to become quite anti and was clueless that their actual problem was her husband was gay. Took another couple of years I believe and his involvement with drugs, informing her he had been abused as a child, having cancer and coming to terms with that and being completely stoned one day for him to open up about that. Edited August 14, 2015 by calmoriah
jkwilliams Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 The one I met in 2004 was a very professional and very good at his job). I have enough training and experience in the field to judge). Six or so sessions iirc got my husband out of a deep funk that had been triggered by our daughter's depression and deepened by stress at work. I'm grateful that I found a great therapist in Provo who really helped me through the worst times. She was a BYU grad but not LDS, so she understood the culture and what I was dealing with. She saved my life. 2
Storm Rider Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 The one I met in 2004 was a very professional and very good at his job (I have enough training and experience in the field to judge). Six or so sessions iirc got my husband out of a deep over a year funk that had been triggered by our daughter's depression and deepened by stress at work.I met the head of the service a year or two later. He said they were working on making sure everyone met a high standard of professional training, etc.My sister had a horrible experience back in 80ish. The guy was just burning time till he retired or got another job, helped talk my sister's husband out of the Church to become quite anti and was clueless that their actual problem was her husband was gay. Took another couple of years I believe and his involvement with drugs, informing her he had been abused as a child, having cancer and coming to terms with that and being completely stoned one day for him to open up about that. I knew several of the people who served in the LDS Counseling services area in our old ward. Some were really excellent from an academic position and from being individually very good people. I assume that some were better than others in their function. I tend to think that this is the case in all things; some of us are very good members and some of us are not so good; some of us are good leaders and some of us are less than good leaders; some of us are good disciples of Christ and some of us are not so good disciples of Christ. It would be nice if we could see a uniform goodness among the Church, but alas we are human. Why we expect others to be so much better than we are individually is surprising, but we seem to do that far more often than looking at life and seeing our own faults so clearly that we easily forgive the faults of others. 2
jkwilliams Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 I knew several of the people who served in the LDS Counseling services area in our old ward. Some were really excellent from an academic position and from being individually very good people. I assume that some were better than others in their function. I tend to think that this is the case in all things; some of us are very good members and some of us are not so good; some of us are good leaders and some of us are less than good leaders; some of us are good disciples of Christ and some of us are not so good disciples of Christ. It would be nice if we could see a uniform goodness among the Church, but alas we are human. Why we expect others to be so much better than we are individually is surprising, but we seem to do that far more often than looking at life and seeing our own faults so clearly that we easily forgive the faults of others. I don't expect people to be better than I am. I just didn't enjoy paying for pretty much nothing. I'm sure they have some great people working for them, but the guy I saw wasn't.
Kenngo1969 Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 I'm grateful that I found a great therapist in Provo who really helped me through the worst times. She was a BYU grad but not LDS, so she understood the culture and what I was dealing with. She saved my life.I'm certainly glad of that! 1
Kenngo1969 Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 I don't expect people to be better than I am. I just didn't enjoy paying for pretty much nothing. I'm sure they have some great people working for them, but the guy I saw wasn't.My first mission president drove me nuts , so I saw an LDS Family Services counselor for a few sessions on my mission. He wrote a very complementary letter home to my parents which, fortunately, offset much of the contrasting $htu@#!#%ff !! (Pardon my language ) they were getting from da prez. (I still have that letter, somewhere ...)
DBMormon Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Oh I am sure somebody will do something to feed your over rated sense of self importance. Just hang in there.how many threads have been started about you in the last two weeks? lol
jkwilliams Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 how many threads have been started about you in the last two weeks? lol Hey, don't let it go to your head! 1
ERayR Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 how many threads have been started about you in the last two weeks? lol Thankfully none but I have irritated one or two.
DBMormon Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 Thankfully none but I have irritated one or two.did you mean agitated
Robert F. Smith Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 My experience can be summarized as follows: LDSFS guy: So, your bishop tells me your wife is in the hospital. How are you doing?Me: Not too bad, considering, but I am under a lot of stress.LDSFS: Oh, good. How good do you think BYU's football team will be this year?Me: I don't know, but aren't we supposed to be talking about how I'm doing?LDSFS: Oh, you're fine, especially compared to the nutjobs I've met in this job. [Then follow 20 minutes of gossip about crazy people he's met in the area.]Me: Are we done yet?LDSFS: Sure, that will be $65. I can take cash or a check.One of the best portrayals of a real therapist is Silent Fall, with Richard Dreyfuss as the shrink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79bZKg7617E . Sorry your experience was so disappointing. Obviously incompetent.
Robert F. Smith Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 But can presentism or cultural difference help explain away something that seems morally questionable coming from God? The "things were different back then" or "it's a different culture" seems only to work when explaining away the actions of the man, basically saying "that wasn't from God".If God commanded someone to have a bunch of slaves back in the day, and I was concerned about that now, I don't think I'd be comfortable with the answer of "everyone had slaves back then." I'd understand the point that it was the norm for the people living then, but I'd assume God would know better than them so he wouldn't have command it.A lot of assumptions, Brian. It might be better to use actual, real life examples -- or examples from Scripture -- and then ask whether it is presentism which causes us to pass such harsh, instant judgment.
ERayR Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 did you mean agitated Nope my forte seems to be irritation.
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