Sevenbak Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 This might belong in the news section but FYI...http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/russell-m-nelson-new-president-of-the-quorum-of-the-twelve-apostles?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LDSNewsRoomTop15+%28RSS%3A+LDS+Newsroom%29 1
Sevenbak Posted July 15, 2015 Author Posted July 15, 2015 SALT LAKE CITY — Russell M. Nelson is president of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. He was set apart (an official appointment) to this calling by President Thomas S. Monson Wednesday, July 15, 2015. As president of the Twelve, he is referred to as President Russell M. Nelson and succeeds the late President Boyd K. Packer, who died July 3, 2015. It is the Church's practice that the senior member by date of assignment to the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles becomes quorum president. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 This is a good chance to make a mental note of his proper title. A lot of people had trouble remembering or grasping that President Packer was properly addressed or referred to as "President," not "Elder." 2
ERayR Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 This is a good chance to make a mental note of his proper title. A lot of people had trouble remembering or grasping that President Packer was properly addressed or referred to as "President," not "Elder." Scott you are correct of course but I don't think President Nelson is a real stickler for titles.
Sevenbak Posted July 15, 2015 Author Posted July 15, 2015 Except of course Adam being the literal son of God... :-) 1
Kenngo1969 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) President Nelson ... It'll take some getting used to, but I like it. Edited July 16, 2015 by Kenngo1969
sethpayne Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) This is a good chance to make a mental note of his proper title. A lot of people had trouble remembering or grasping that President Packer was properly addressed or referred to as "President," not "Elder." I've always liked Elder Nelson. A good Utahan through and through. Edited July 16, 2015 by sethpayne 1
Buckeye Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 This is a good chance to make a mental note of his proper title. A lot of people had trouble remembering or grasping that President Packer was properly addressed or referred to as "President," not "Elder."I'm still struggling with calling my former stake president "elder" since he was called as an area authority 70. Best wishes for president Nelson.
Robert F. Smith Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 I especially like the fact that, when a new apostle, Elder Nelson came out of retirement to do heart bypass surgery on both Hugh Nibley and Leonard Arrington, thus giving them both many more years of life. 4
Popular Post Broker Posted July 16, 2015 Popular Post Posted July 16, 2015 Scott you are correct of course but I don't think President Nelson is a real stickler for titles. I think he probably is. I've read a couple things about his correction to local leaders about proper protocol. His quote below is from an April 1993 Conference Address: "When a presiding General Authority has spoken, no one speaks following him. After the meeting has concluded, presidents and bishops, remain at the side of your file leader until excused. He may be impressed to give additional teaching or direction. And you may also prevent problems. For example, if a member asks a question of your leader that should not be directed to him, you are there to respond. Now for comments about the stake high council. It has no president. It has no autonomy and meets, even when divided into committees, only upon call from the stake presidency. Although high councilors may be seated in the order of their call to the council, no one member has seniority over another." This doesn't address titles specifically, but shows his emphasis on proper order. I think he concerned, rightly so, with people understanding that all things should be done in a proper order. The Kingdom of God is not a kingdom of confusion or lackadaisical behavior. 6
filovirus Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 He came to speak to the members in El Salvador when I was a missionary in '96-'97. He would speak into the microphone, then the translator would do his part into a separate microphone. After about 5 minutes of this, Elder Nelson walked over to the translator and told him to sit down. Instead of returning to his podium, he then proceeded to finish his sermon from where the translator was standing, doing so in perfect Spanish as if it were his native toungue. I have a great respect for President Nelson. 1
Kenngo1969 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) He came to speak to the members in El Salvador when I was a missionary in '96-'97. He would speak into the microphone, then the translator would do his part into a separate microphone. After about 5 minutes of this, Elder Nelson walked over to the translator and told him to sit down. Instead of returning to his podium, he then proceeded to finish his sermon from where the translator was standing, doing so in perfect Spanish as if it were his native toungue. I have a great respect for President Nelson.No me dí cuenta que Ud. sabía hablar el idioma celestial. ("I didn't realize you know how to speak the celestial language." The Mods don't like it when we speak in tongues without an interpreter. ) P.S.: President Nelson got an assignment in Russia, and he said to himself, "Well, if I'm gonna go there, I might as well deliver my remarks in their native tongue, but ... When am I gonna have time to learn Russian?" I believe this was before he was called as an Apostle, but had another general Church leadership calling ... in the General Sunday School, and, of course, busy with a medical practice. He penciled it into his schedule every day from 3-6 a.m. , and, likewise, delivered his remarks in likely-impeccable Russian. Edited July 16, 2015 by Kenngo1969 1
Kenngo1969 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 I'm still struggling with calling my former stake president "elder" since he was called as an area authority 70.Best wishes for president Nelson.One of my former Stake Presidents is now Elder David F. Evans of the Seventy. Great guy.
Damien the Leper Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 No me dí cuenta que Ud. sabía hablar el idioma celestial. ("I didn't realize you know how to speak the celestial language." The Mods don't like it when we speak in tongues without an interpreter. ) P.S.: President Nelson got an assignment in Russia, and he said to himself, "Well, if I'm gonna go there, I might as well deliver my remarks in their native tongue, but ... When am I gonna have time to learn Russian?" I believe this was before he was called as an Apostle, but had another general Church leadership calling ... in the General Sunday School, and, of course, busy with a medical practice. He penciled it into his schedule every day from 3-6 a.m. , and, likewise, delivered his remarks in likely-impeccable Russian.President Faust would disagree and assert that God speaks Portuguese.
Kenngo1969 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 President Faust would disagree and assert that God speaks Portuguese.God is multilingual, don'tcha know, Val?
Scott Lloyd Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) I think he probably is. I've read a couple things about his correction to local leaders about proper protocol. His quote below is from an April 1993 Conference Address:"When a presiding General Authority has spoken, no one speaks following him. After the meeting has concluded, presidents and bishops, remain at the side of your file leader until excused. He may be impressed to give additional teaching or direction. And you may also prevent problems. For example, if a member asks a question of your leader that should not be directed to him, you are there to respond.Now for comments about the stake high council. It has no president. It has no autonomy and meets, even when divided into committees, only upon call from the stake presidency. Although high councilors may be seated in the order of their call to the council, no one member has seniority over another."This doesn't address titles specifically, but shows his emphasis on proper order. I think he concerned, rightly so, with people understanding that all things should be done in a proper order. The Kingdom of God is not a kingdom of confusion or lackadaisical behavior.I've worked personally with Elder (now President) Nelson on a matter or two and, well, let's just say he can be particular. Edited July 16, 2015 by Scott Lloyd 1
sethpayne Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 I think he probably is. I've read a couple things about his correction to local leaders about proper protocol. His quote below is from an April 1993 Conference Address: "When a presiding General Authority has spoken, no one speaks following him. After the meeting has concluded, presidents and bishops, remain at the side of your file leader until excused. He may be impressed to give additional teaching or direction. And you may also prevent problems. For example, if a member asks a question of your leader that should not be directed to him, you are there to respond. Now for comments about the stake high council. It has no president. It has no autonomy and meets, even when divided into committees, only upon call from the stake presidency. Although high councilors may be seated in the order of their call to the council, no one member has seniority over another." This doesn't address titles specifically, but shows his emphasis on proper order. I think he concerned, rightly so, with people understanding that all things should be done in a proper order. The Kingdom of God is not a kingdom of confusion or lackadaisical behavior. Where can this "proper order" be found in the Scriptures? I've been looking all morning.... 1
Scott Lloyd Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Before he was a General Authority, President Nelson served for a time as Sunday School general president. At the time of his call, the position was still known as superintendent of the Deseret Sunday School Union. The headline that appeared in the newspaper read, "New Union Head Called." He approached the Church leadership and asked, "Do you really want me to be known as a 'union head'?Consideration was given to the matter, and ultimately the Deseret Sunday School Union was discontinued, the title became Sunday School general president, and it has been so to this day. That, by the way, was a really crappy headline, one of the worst I've seen or heard of. Edited July 16, 2015 by Scott Lloyd 1
Scott Lloyd Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Where can this "proper order" be found in the Scriptures? I've been looking all morning....So if something is not in the scriptures, it isn't true or genuine?By the way, you don't have my permission to use my name or quote in your sig line. I'll give you some time to take it down before I approach the moderators about it. Edited July 16, 2015 by Scott Lloyd
Kenngo1969 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 ... That, by the way, was a really crappy headline, one of the worst I've seen or heard of.I have one that tops it, and I was the subject of the story. https://greatgourdini.wordpress.com/2014/10/16/tooele-utah-usas-world-famous-mentally-ill-man/ Not to worry: Any publicity is good publicity!
Scott Lloyd Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 I have one that tops it, and I was the subject of the story. https://greatgourdini.wordpress.com/2014/10/16/tooele-utah-usas-world-famous-mentally-ill-man/ Not to worry: Any publicity is good publicity! Yes, that one was good for a guffaw or two. But I'm not clear. Did the headline writer <really> think the story was about a mentally ill man who applied for and won a grant? (Headlines are not necessarily written by the same person who wrote the story.) Or was it a matter of someone faced with an imminent deadline and a frustratingly short character count not exercising due care? There's an old joke in the business: "If 'governor' doesn't fit, try 'mayor'."
Kenngo1969 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Yes, that one was good for a guffaw or two.But I'm not clear. Did the headline writer <really> think the story was about a mentally ill man who applied for and won a grant? (Headlines are not necessarily written by the same person who wrote the story.) Or was it a matter of someone faced with an imminent deadline and a frustratingly short character count not exercising due care?There's an old joke in the business: "If 'governor' doesn't fit, try 'mayor'."No, you're right. The story actually wasn't that bad: it was quite good, in fact, and I'm sure that yes, the headline was the result of someone on a tight deadline trying to find something that fit. I wrote an Op-Ed for the same publication using New York City Mayor De Blasio's push to cap the amount of soda that could be sold in one transaction in the city as an example of how overregulation, even if its ends are noble, usually pursues those ends using questionable means and infringes on other rights in the process. Alas, my larger point got lost when the editor (again facing tight space and a tight deadline) headlined it, "Government shouldn't regulate my beloved soda" ... Edited July 16, 2015 by Kenngo1969
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