Tacenda Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 I am simply worried that many want to force the second coming by wanting warMe too. Or not caring about global warming, etc.
mikegriffith1 Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) I've been thinking of the Second Coming lately and I've concluded that it won't happen in our lifetime, I predict another 100 years or more. Some prophecies are already being fulfilled though like wars and rumours of wars and earthquakes but the world is not fully ripe yet in my view - families are still the fundamental unit in society and people are still very much generally good - if it happened now it would be unfair (I think). The possibility for good is still so great and society is not so evil yet to warrant such mass destruction and loss of life. Also some prophecies allude to the joining of the continents and if that was to happen, I seriously doubt that it will happen within a hundred years or am I just too optimistic or naive to the evils out there? One reason that I think the second coming could be much sooner is that the Left is becoming bolder and bolder in assaulting basic religious liberty and in attacking long-standing constitutional protections of freedom of religion, speech, and association. Their weapon of choice is same-sex marriage. Just in the last few weeks, the Obama administration went on record as favoring requiring private religious schools, such as BYU and LU, to hire gay professors or face losing any and all federal student loans and grants and federal tax exemptions and deductions, a shocking departure from traditional constitutional protections for religious educational institutions. And some liberals have already openly advocated forcing churches to host and conduct gay weddings and even forcing churches to hire gays as pastors. The increasingly militant, unabashed nature of the liberal assault on basic religious liberty is one reason I think the second coming could happen in as soon as 10 years and no later than 30 years from now. We may have a few more years than that, but I will be very surprised if the second coming has not occurred by 2045. Edited June 14, 2015 by mikegriffith1 2
Damien the Leper Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 God doesn't have to warn anyone. His prophets don't need to be notified of Armageddon.if the prophets were to say a specific day but God chose 3 days before what they said then so be it. He's God and He does not play by anyone else's rules.
JLHPROF Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 So I suspect, similar to the Book of Mormon, our Prophets, inspired by The Lord, will warn us specifically of the Second Coming shortly before it comes, such as when the Prophet, Samuel the Lamanite predicted the First Coming of the Lord in 5 more years (Helaman 14:2). Of the hour and day the Nephites knew not, but the year they did. God doesn't have to warn anyone. His prophets don't need to be notified of Armageddon.if the prophets were to say a specific day but God chose 3 days before what they said then so be it. He's God and He does not play by anyone else's rules. I'm actually going to side with Valentinus on this one. But it should be remembered that it is the "Coming in Glory" that we are told we will not have warning of.There is also the coming to the Jews on the Mount of Olives, the coming to the grand priesthood council at Adam-Ondi-Ahman, etc.I expect the prophet (and the priesthood leadership) will be warned of those returns since they will be involved in various ways.
thesometimesaint Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 One reason that I think the second coming could be much sooner is that the Left is becoming bolder and bolder in assaulting basic religious liberty and in attacking long-standing constitutional protections of freedom of religion, speech, and association. Their weapon of choice is same-sex marriage. Just in the last few weeks, the Obama administration went on record as favoring requiring private religious schools, such as BYU and LU, to hire gay professors or face losing any and all federal student loans and grants and federal tax exemptions and deductions, a shocking departure from traditional constitutional protections for religious educational institutions. And some liberals have already openly advocated forcing churches to host and conduct gay weddings and even forcing churches to hire gays as pastors. The increasingly militant, unabashed nature of the liberal assault on basic religious liberty is one reason I think the second coming could happen in as soon as 10 years and no later than 30 years from now. We may have a few more years than that, but I will be very surprised if the second coming has not occurred by 2045. CFR.
The Nehor Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 One reason that I think the second coming could be much sooner is that the Left is becoming bolder and bolder in assaulting basic religious liberty and in attacking long-standing constitutional protections of freedom of religion, speech, and association. Their weapon of choice is same-sex marriage. Just in the last few weeks, the Obama administration went on record as favoring requiring private religious schools, such as BYU and LU, to hire gay professors or face losing any and all federal student loans and grants and federal tax exemptions and deductions, a shocking departure from traditional constitutional protections for religious educational institutions. And some liberals have already openly advocated forcing churches to host and conduct gay weddings and even forcing churches to hire gays as pastors. The increasingly militant, unabashed nature of the liberal assault on basic religious liberty is one reason I think the second coming could happen in as soon as 10 years and no later than 30 years from now. We may have a few more years than that, but I will be very surprised if the second coming has not occurred by 2045. I find it more a sign of the times that so many minds have have been dulled that they will believe anything they read or hear from entertainment personalities masquerading as political experts but to each their own I guess. All this from one administration official who got flustered when asked a question in a Supreme Court hearing and basically said that is something we will need to figure out later. Somehow that means the entire administration is marshaling for an organized campaign ready to wage war and destroy religion.
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) You must have a very low opinion of me if you think I want war, necessary or not. Knowing as little about me as you do I would appreciate your not making any assessments of my character. Nobody wants likes war, but I am worried that some people think war is necessary when it is not. Did you think the Iraq war was necessary back in 2002? Btw, that Global Warming idea At the beginning was ridiculous:http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2015/06/12/flashback-abcs-08-prediction-nyc-under-water-climate-change-june I am not surprise that you don't believe in powerful scientific theories because I did read some of your comments. The science is clear that GW is happening and that humans caused it, but some predictions are still debatable. However, your partisan news-busters says "ABC News exactly seven years ago. Appearing on Good Morning America in 2008, Bob Woodruff hyped Earth 2100, a special that pushed apocalyptic predictions of the then-futuristic 2015" No climate scientist was predicting "apocalyptic events" by 2015. CFR Please cite the scientific literature, not a ABC journalist Edited June 14, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
Stargazer Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Me too. Or not caring about global warming, etc. Uh, not caring about global warming is going to force the Second Coming? I'm confused...not sure what the connection might be.
Stargazer Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Nobody wants likes war, but I am worried that some people think war is necessary when it is not. Did you think the Iraq war was necessary back in 2002? I am not surprise that you don't believe in powerful scientific theories because I did read some of your comments. The science is clear that GW is happening and that humans caused it, but some predictions are still debatable. However, your partisan news-busters says "ABC News exactly seven years ago. Appearing on Good Morning America in 2008, Bob Woodruff hyped Earth 2100, a special that pushed apocalyptic predictions of the then-futuristic 2015" No climate scientist was predicting "apocalyptic events" by 2015. CFR Please cite the scientific literature, not a ABC journalistPlease lets not derail this to a AGW thread! Those are so tedious. Edited June 16, 2015 by Stargazer 1
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Please lets not derail this to a AGW thread! Those are so tedious. Why only tell me? I am not the one that started talking about AGW, it was Nathan Smith in post #2, ask him. It is not a boring subject, never in the history of humanity has AGW happened, it may be a big sign of the second coming. It is a boring subject to you because you can't allow for the possibility that people will suffer because of that, especially the poor that are living in vulnerable areas. You are completely convinced that is won't cause more hurricanes and droughts, you are completely convinced that it has nothing to do with the second coming. There is a zero probability in your mind that bad things are going to happen (and are already happening because of AGW) PS I am also talking about other subjects too Edited June 16, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
ERayR Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Please lets not derail this to a AGW thread! Those are so tedious. Why only tell me? I am not the one that started talking about AGW, it was Nathan Smith in post #2, ask him. It is not a boring subject, never in the history of humanity has AGW happened, it may be a big sign of the second coming. It is a boring subject to you because you can't allow for the possibility that people will suffer because of that, especially the poor that are living in vulnerable areas. You are completely convinced that is won't cause more hurricanes and droughts, you are completely convinced that it has nothing to do with the second coming. There is a zero probability in your mind that bad things are going to happen (and are already happening because of AGW) PS I am also talking about other subjects too He hit me first.
Calm Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 No, it is boring to many of us because the same things, same videos, same arguments are endlessly repeated and too often push out other conversations. And if you are assuming I find these conversations boring because I don't want to talk about the subject, you would be wrong. I find the topic quite interesting in some other venues where I am provided with new indepth information that avoids the latest jargon and repetition. 1
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) No, it is boring to many of us because the same things, same videos, same arguments are endlessly repeated and too often push out other conversations.And if you are assuming I find these conversations boring because I don't want to talk about the subject, you would be wrong. I find the topic quite interesting in some other venues where I am provided with new indepth information that avoids the latest jargon and repetition. There are new Pew forum results http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2014-Climate-Change-FINAL1.pdffhttp://www.pewforum.org/2015/06/16/catholics-divided-over-global-warming/ There are new important scientific papers Published Online June 4 2015Possible artifacts of data biases in the recent global surface warming hiatushttp://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/06/05/science.aaa5632.abstract 31 May 2015http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11434-015-0806-z and 2015 will likely become the hottest year on record, which means that the so-called pause is clearly over. Same old arguments? Where are the videos? Edited June 16, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) He hit me first. Please answer the question in post 107 Did you think in 2002 that it was necessary to invade Iraq? That war cost millions of lives, do you want the second coming to happen soon? Edited June 16, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
Zakuska Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Lets see... Global "Warming" causes dolphins to get stuck in ice and eaten by Polar Bears. http://www.livescience.com/51195-polar-bears-eat-dolphins.html What will the Alramists come up with next? :facepalm:
cinepro Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Please answer the question in post 107 Did you think in 2002 that it was necessary to invade Iraq? That war cost millions of lives, do you want the second coming to happen soon? Just to be clear, there is no valid estimate of Iraq war deaths that places it in the "millions": Scientific surveys of Iraqi deaths resulting from the first four years of the Iraq War found that between 151,000 to over one million Iraqis died as a result of conflict during this time. A later study, published in 2011, found that approximately 500,000 Iraqis had died as a result of the conflict since the invasion. Counts of deaths reported in newspapers collated by projects like the Iraq Body Count project found 174,000 Iraqis reported killed between 2003 and 2013, with between 112,000-123,000 of those killed being civilian noncombatants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War 1
The Nehor Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Lets see... Global "Warming" causes dolphins to get stuck in ice and eaten by Polar Bears. http://www.livescience.com/51195-polar-bears-eat-dolphins.html What will the Alramists come up with next? :facepalm:Why do you think the people of Alram are responsible?
The Nehor Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Well, just got an email from a friend whose family and friends say societal collapse is imminent. The economy will crash later this year and everything will collapse early next year.Also for some reason growing persecution of Christians by government will matter in this post-apocalyptic dystopia though I figured the government being collapsed would have made that a moot point. I guess the devil works in mysterious ways. 2
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Lets see... Global "Warming" causes dolphins to get stuck in ice and eaten by Polar Bears. http://www.livescience.com/51195-polar-bears-eat-dolphins.html What will the Alramists come up with next? :facepalm: I am not an alarmist, I read the scientific literature, not propaganda. Is that the best you can do? Link to a partisan news website that has been shown to be inaccurate many times. I won't bother to read that article, I have read many articles from that website before. Question Did you think in early 2003 that it was necessary to invade Iraq? Just to be clear, there is no valid estimate of Iraq war deaths that places it in the "millions": but it is clear that the Iraq war cost many lives. Did you think in 2003 that it was necessary to invade Iraq? There were many intelligent people against it, including the Vatican (weeks before it started). http://www.foxnews.com/story/2003/03/12/vatican-strongly-opposes-iraq-war.html Edited June 16, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
Zakuska Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Been reading some good balanced articles based on actual data.Every one of the 73 IPCC climate models have failed. Miserably. Compared to actual observed data. http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2014/02/24/the-period-of-no-global-warming-will-soon-be-longer-than-the-period-of-actual-global-warming/http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/12/the-coming-revelation-of-the-global-warming-fraud-resembles-the-obamacare-lie/2/ Im reminded of a Hymn about the second coming... "And the earth shall appear as the garden of Eden" How else is the earth going to grow more plant life like a Garden of Eden with out increased CO2? We are just priming the pumps. Another good Article. http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/10/15/the-true-global-warming-crisis-is-the-fibs-underlying-the-theory/ Edited June 16, 2015 by Zakuska
The Nehor Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Been reading some good balanced articles based on actual data.Every one of the 73 IPCC climate models have failed. Miserably. Compared to actual data. http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2014/02/24/the-period-of-no-global-warming-will-soon-be-longer-than-the-period-of-actual-global-warming/http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/12/the-coming-revelation-of-the-global-warming-fraud-resembles-the-obamacare-lie/2/ Im reminded of a Hymn about the second coming... "And the earth shall appear as the garden of Eden" How else is the earth going to grow more plant life like a Garden of Eden with out increased CO2? We are just priming the pumps. The villains of Captain Planet were the real heroes all along. 1
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Been reading some good balanced articles based on actual data.Every one of the 73 IPCC climate models have failed. Miserably. Compared to actual data. http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2014/02/24/the-period-of-no-global-warming-will-soon-be-longer-than-the-period-of-actual-global-warming/http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/12/the-coming-revelation-of-the-global-warming-fraud-resembles-the-obamacare-lie/2/ Articles by Peter Ferrara (a lawyer)? LOL Why not read scientific papers by real climate researchers? I just cited new Science papers, but you quickly ignore them. http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/06/05/science.aaa5632.abstracthttp://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11434-015-0806-z Contrary to Contrarian Claims, IPCC Temperature Projections Have Been Exceptionally Accurate https://www.skepticalscience.com/ipcc-global-warming-projections.htm Denier predictions vs IPCC projectionshttp://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=72 Please do not ignore my question, Did you think in early 2003 that it was necessary to invade Iraq?There were many intelligent people against it, including the Vatican (weeks before it started). http://www.foxnews.com/story/2003/03/12/vatican-strongly-opposes-iraq-war.html Edited June 16, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
Zakuska Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg How about the polar ice caps up 5% from the post-1979 average. Now, in May 2015, the updated NASA data show polar sea ice is approximately 5 percent above the post-1979 average. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/ Anartica has been getting colder for the past 30 years. While Global temperature has increased less that half a degree to the shagrin of Alarmists. http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html Edited June 16, 2015 by Zakuska 1
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg How about the polar ice caps up 5% from the post-1979 average. Now, in May 2015, the updated NASA data show polar sea ice is approximately 5 percent above the post-1979 average. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/ Why do you ignore the scientific papers I presented. So now you think the Earth is not getting warmer? "How about the polar ice caps up 5% from the post-1979 average." Let a real sea ice researcher explain that to you Again, please do not ignore my question. Did you think in early 2003 that it was necessary to invade Iraq? Why do you believe in propaganda, but dismiss scientific research? Edited June 16, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
Zakuska Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Again, please do not ignore my question. Did you think in early 2003 that it was necessary to invade Iraq? Why do you believe in propaganda, but dismiss scientific research? Ironically in a link with a propagandic video. Do you disagree with Nasa's graph? http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg Showing Polar ice Volumn up 5% from 1979? Edited June 16, 2015 by Zakuska
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