tonie Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) Is inheritance of a Heavenly Kingdom an "all or nothing" option for LDS; meaning, Is the Celestial Kingdom, the ONLY Kingdom LDS Members can inherit? Edited April 26, 2015 by tonie
rpn Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 And a few "members" will go to outer darkness where there is no kingdom of glory at all.
Avatar4321 Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 One thing I've always wondered is how do we inherit anything from Heavenly Father?inheritance usually requires someone to die. Last time I checked our heavenly Father will never die. So how do we become joint heirs with Christ? How does someone who will never die have heirs?
Bobbieaware Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) One thing I've always wondered is how do we inherit anything from Heavenly Father?inheritance usually requires someone to die. Last time I checked our heavenly Father will never die. So how do we become joint heirs with Christ? How does someone who will never die have heirs?In law, inheritances can be received in ways that do not require the death of a family member or unrelated benefactor. Edited April 26, 2015 by Bobbieaware
Avatar4321 Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Funny, I don't remember being taught that in law school. Quite the opposite.
Storm Rider Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 This is a different kind of question. Why do you think a member of the Church will only go to the Celestial kingdom?
Bobbieaware Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) Funny, I don't remember being taught that in law school. Quite the opposite.For example, a prince can inherit the kingly throne of his living father if the king abdicates his throne. Also, a son or daughter can inherit gene traits from their living parents. Edited April 26, 2015 by Bobbieaware
JAHS Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 This is a different kind of question. Why do you think a member of the Church will only go to the Celestial kingdom? I don't know what the OP had in mind but most people who become members of the church do not do it with the thought in mind that they are only shooting for the Terrestrial or Telestial kingdoms. We become members and remain members to be able to return to God in the Celestial Kingdom. So the attitude is like "The Celestial Kingdom or nothing". But there is always the knowledge in the back of our minds that if we are not valiant in the gospel that we could end up in a lower kingdom.
Robert F. Smith Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 For example, a prince can inherit the kingly throne of his living father if the king abdicates his throne. Also, a son or daughter can inherit gene traits from their living parents.There is also coregency, in which both the current ruler and heir apparent share the throne. No abdication required. This was apparently the case with King Benjamin, who made his son Mosiah king while he was still living. Makes for a smooth transition when a ruler is aged and infirm. 1
Duncan Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Funny, I don't remember being taught that in law school. Quite the opposite. Think Prodigal son
Robert F. Smith Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Is inheritance of a Heavenly Kingdom an "all or nothing" option for LDS; meaning, Is the Celestial Kingdom, the ONLY Kingdom LDS Members can inherit?The Celestial Kingdom (and its various gradations) can be inherited by both LDS and non-LDS people, and definitely will be. However, some LDS and non-LDS people will inherit a lesser glory or no glory at all. Gonna be an interesting final Judgment. 1
The Nehor Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 One thing I've always wondered is how do we inherit anything from Heavenly Father?inheritance usually requires someone to die. Last time I checked our heavenly Father will never die. So how do we become joint heirs with Christ? How does someone who will never die have heirs? He owns everything and when we are exalted so do we. The metaphor is not perfect.
Freedom Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 One thing I've always wondered is how do we inherit anything from Heavenly Father?inheritance usually requires someone to die. Last time I checked our heavenly Father will never die. So how do we become joint heirs with Christ? How does someone who will never die have heirs?So if I said you inherited your mother's eyes, must it be assumed that she is dead? If you inherit an older siblings clothes, must they first be deceased?
Avatar4321 Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 For example, a prince can inherit the kingly throne of his living father if the king abdicates his throne. Also, a son or daughter can inherit gene traits from their living parents.Good way to think about it. Course those issues wouldn't come up in a legal setting. I knew there was an answer for it.
rpn Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 You inherited your blue eye color from your mom, and both of you were alive while doing that. You inherited your blood type without anyone being dead. You are thinking of property inheritances, when the scriptures appear to be talking about something else.
thesometimesaint Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 The Celestial Kingdom (and its various gradations) can be inherited by both LDS and non-LDS people, and definitely will be. However, some LDS and non-LDS people will inherit a lesser glory or no glory at all. Gonna be an interesting final Judgment. I disagree there. To inherit the Celestial Kingdom, if you die after the age of 8, you must be baptized a member of the Church in this life, or by proxy in the next.I agree with the rest of your statement, though I do think most of us will be pleasantly surprised that we do make it.
JLHPROF Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Is inheritance of a Heavenly Kingdom an "all or nothing" option for LDS; meaning, Is the Celestial Kingdom, the ONLY Kingdom LDS Members can inherit? I would like to see all this people do right, and keep the commandments of God. I would like to see them fulfil their covenants, and live up to their vows and promises, and fulfil their obligations, for they have obligated themselves before God, and before angels, and before earthly witnesses, that they would do this.What you have agreed to do, God will require you to perform, if it should be ten thousand years after this time. And when the servants of God speak to you, and require you to do a thing, the Lord God will fulfil His words, and make you fulfil His words he gave to you through His servants. Inasmuch as you have come into this Church, and made a covenant to forsake the world, and cleave unto the Lord, and keep His commandments, the Lord will compel you to do it, if it should be in ten thousand years from this time. These are my views, and I know it will be so. - Heber C. Kimball JD 2:151 So I say again, those who are under covenant (endowed members of the Church) will eventually live up to the Celestial laws they covenanted to follow. Being Terrestrial for eternity is not an option.
tonie Posted April 26, 2015 Author Posted April 26, 2015 Being Terrestrial for eternity is not an option. Now you are bringing different aspects into it. The official position of the Church is that Church members will be in the Terrestial Kingdom. Do I understand your current answer, to suggest that one can progress out of one Kingdom into another?
JLHPROF Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Now you are bringing different aspects into it. The official position of the Church is that Church members will be in the Terrestial Kingdom. Do I understand your current answer, to suggest that one can progress out of one Kingdom into another? Yes. I patently disagree with the McConkie version. HOW that progression will work I do not know - individually, kingdom wide, who knows. But the atonement is hardly an infinite eternal sacrifice if its effects end after the final judgement. There is hardly any point in the Celestial ministering to the Terrestrial if not to bring them up. Progression is hardly eternal if the space and laws within which we can progress have an end. God is hardly fulfilling his work if he gives up on his children when they leave mortality at a certain level. When people like Tacenda who have taken on covenants and promises with God say (even jokingly) they will be quite happy in the Terrestrial Kingdom forever, this Heber C. Kimball quote comes to mind. God will hold us to our covenants, even if it takes millennia to get us there. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear on the other thread.
ERayR Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Funny, I don't remember being taught that in law school. Quite the opposite. Law school is not the ultimate source.
ERayR Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 I disagree there. To inherit the Celestial Kingdom, if you die after the age of 8, you must be baptized a member of the Church in this life, or by proxy in the next.I agree with the rest of your statement, though I do think most of us will be pleasantly surprised that we do make it. I disagree in part. You are not baptized a member of the Church you are confirmed a member of the Church.
VideoGameJunkie Posted April 27, 2015 Posted April 27, 2015 I pray everyday that I and my family and friends will inherit the Celestial Kingdom. Who wouldn't want to go there for eternity? I know I want to live there. It's where families can be together forever and we can live with Heavenly Father and Jesus. Sounds too good to be real. That's how great it is. 1
Alan Posted April 27, 2015 Posted April 27, 2015 I do believe that whatever Kingdom we inherit, we can progress to another. In fact, the temple endowment appears to teach us that is what happens.With regards to inheritances, of course one can inherit without a death. I can give my kids their inheritance (my house) now. If the value is greater than a certain level, they will be charged Inheritance Tax. However, if I did that I would then have no house. In the case of God, I suspect the fact that he is always progressing in the sense that his glory is expanding (new creations etc) means he can give bits away but continue to be God. 1
thesometimesaint Posted April 27, 2015 Posted April 27, 2015 I do believe that whatever Kingdom we inherit, we can progress to another. In fact, the temple endowment appears to teach us that is what happens.With regards to inheritances, of course one can inherit without a death. I can give my kids their inheritance (my house) now. If the value is greater than a certain level, they will be charged Inheritance Tax. However, if I did that I would then have no house. In the case of God, I suspect the fact that he is always progressing in the sense that his glory is expanding (new creations etc) means he can give bits away but continue to be God. If there is Eternal Progression then it would apply to all the Kingdoms. So those in the Telestrial Kingdom would never catch up with those in the Terrestrial Kingdom, whom would never catch up with those in the Celestial Kingdom. Even those in the Celestial Kingdom will never catch up to, let alone surpass God the Father. He will always be our Father-in-Heaven.
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