LinuxGal Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 The difference between Joseph Smith's generation and ours is we have lived under the threat of nuclear annihilation from birth. It wasn't possible to destroy the Earth through atomic warfare in JS's time. It still isn't possible to destroy the Earth. We can certainly destroy civilization.
rodheadlee Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Many people believe he was speaking of when Titus and his daddy Vespasian came in and scraped Jerusalem out like a gourd.Many people believe He was speaking of the re-birth of Israel post Holocaust in the 20th century.
rodheadlee Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 It still isn't possible to destroy the Earth. We can certainly destroy civilization.Correct, just most of the life on it.
Garden Girl Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 A classmember made the counterclaim that there really are no new signs in the past 60 years that didn't exist previously, the last major sign being the creation of Israel as a nation state in the 1940's. . What say you? are there any new signs that would lead us to believe things are different now and that the 2nd coming is truly at hand or is this believe just a continuation of the belief held in every other generation since Christ's resurrection? I think there are new signs if we stop and think about it... It is only recently that we have the technology that will allow the preaching of the gospel to all the world.... or for Christ to be seen all at once all over the world... This is new within the last 60 years...And, we do seem to be marching toward the prophecy about the nations coming against Israel.. including the U.S. This is not to say the second coming is eminent... There are still prophecies about certain things that are to happen before the 2nd coming, i.e., the new Jerusalem, etc. I wonder if the world can last another 100 years or so to allow for readiness to receive the Savior. Frankly, as an old woman, I'm ready to see it happen... though I can see where some would feel they haven't yet had a chance to live their life... but when I look around at the world in general, it would be a relief... But I agree with the person who said things will get worse before the 2nd coming is here... GG
LinuxGal Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Many people believe He was speaking of the re-birth of Israel post Holocaust in the 20th century. That doesn't comport with his statement that it would be within the lifetime of those listening in 33 CE. The Jewish-Roman war took place 67-70 CE.
The Nehor Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 It still isn't possible to destroy the Earth. We can certainly destroy civilization. If we really worked at it we could pull it off. A couple of asteroids tossed into it maybe? A Star Wars style "Death Star" weapon is even possible though it would be a huge investment. Why would you panic if Christ were returning next week? We are supposed to have a working relationship with Christ and our Heavenly Father. Why would you not want to see Him in His Glory returning to Rule the Earth for a Thousand Years in Peace ? I love God but I also fear Him. My primary fear is that I am one of the people who will have to be removed so that there can be peace in those thousand years. Also, meeting pure goodness is one of those things that sounds fun but would actually be shocking and difficult. When angels appear the first thing the angels usually have to do is tell the person not to be afraid. When Jesus worked miracles many of the people wanted Him gone. They could not bear His presence. I am not the vilest of sinners but I think it would be jarring to enter the presence of God. I sometimes tremble when I pray....how much more if He were there. 1
mnn727 Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 What about the sons of Levi making an offering (again) in righteousness?They will be offering a broken heart and a contrite spirit - not animals.. 1
JLHPROF Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 They will be offering a broken heart and a contrite spirit - not animals.. Nope. Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, 3:94.RESTORATION OF BLOOD SACRIFICES. We are living in the dispensation of the fulness of times into which all things are to be gathered, and all things are to be restored since the beginning. Even this earth is to be restored to the condition which prevailed before Adam's transgression. Now in the nature of things, the law of sacrifice will have to be restored, or all things which were decreed by the Lord would not be restored. It will be necessary, therefore, for the sons of Levi, who offered the blood sacrifices anciently in Israel, to offer such a sacrifice again to round out and complete this ordinance in this dispensation. Sacrifice by the shedding of blood was instituted in the days of Adam and of necessity will have to be restored.The sacrifice of animals will be done to complete the restoration when the temple spoken of is built; at the beginning of the millennium, or in the restoration, blood sacrifices will be performed long enough to complete the fulness of the restoration in this dispensation. Afterwards sacrifice will be of some other character.AND All Ordinances RestoredThese sacrifices, as well as every ordinance belonging to the Priesthood, will, when the Temple of the Lord shall be built, and the sons of Levi be purified, be fully restored and attended to in all their powers, ramifications, and blessings. This ever did and ever will exist when the powers of the Melchizedek Priesthood are sufficiently manifest; else how can the restitution of all things spoken of by the Holy Prophets be brought to pass? It is not to be understood that the law of Moses will be established again with all its rites and variety of ceremonies; this has never been spoken of by the prophets; but those things which existed prior to Moses' day, namely, sacrifice, will be continued.It may be asked by some, what necessity for sacrifice, since the Great Sacrifice was offered? In answer to which, if repentance, baptism, and faith existed prior to the days of Christ, what necessity for them since that time? The Priesthood has descended in a regular line from father to son, through their succeeding generations. (See Book of Doctrine and Covenants.) (October 5, 1840.) HC 4:207-212. AND History of the Church, 5:326 (Joseph Smith)At the close of the meeting, we returned to Benjamin F. Johnson's, where we slept; and I remarked that the hundred and forty-four thousand sealed are the priests who should be anointed to administer in the daily sacrifice.
rodheadlee Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 That doesn't comport with his statement that it would be within the lifetime of those listening in 33 CE. The Jewish-Roman war took place 67-70 CE.2 Now learn a parable of the afig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that ait is near, even at the bdoors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This ageneration shall not pass, till all these bthings be cfulfilled. The generation that sees the leaves come forth will not pass away till all these things be fulfilled. Not the generation listening.
rodheadlee Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 If we really worked at it we could pull it off. A couple of asteroids tossed into it maybe? A Star Wars style "Death Star" weapon is even possible though it would be a huge investment. I love God but I also fear Him. My primary fear is that I am one of the people who will have to be removed so that there can be peace in those thousand years. Also, meeting pure goodness is one of those things that sounds fun but would actually be shocking and difficult. When angels appear the first thing the angels usually have to do is tell the person not to be afraid. When Jesus worked miracles many of the people wanted Him gone. They could not bear His presence. I am not the vilest of sinners but I think it would be jarring to enter the presence of God. I sometimes tremble when I pray....how much more if He were there.This is why you must approach as a little child.
The Nehor Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 This is why you must approach as a little child. I can only pull that off on my best days and my worst days. On my best days my prayers are humble and accepting of whatever God wants. On my worst days I can throw a tantrum at God that would put most 3 years olds to shame.
rodheadlee Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 What say you? are there any new signs that would lead us to believe things are different now and that the 2nd coming is truly at hand or is this believe just a continuation of the belief held in every other generation since Christ's resurrection?9 ¶ Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare awar, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: 10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am astrong. 11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy amighty ones to come down, O Lord. 12 Let the aheathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to bjudge all the heathen round about. 13 Put ye in the asickle, for the bharvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the cpress is full, the dfats overflow; for their wickedness is great. 14 Multitudes, amultitudes in the valley of decision: for the bday of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. ISIS
rodheadlee Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Maybe the youth have simply been listening to their priesthood leader:Boyd K Packer, Oct 2011https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2011/10/counsel-to-youth?lang=eng QuoteSometimes you might be tempted to think as I did from time to time in my youth: “The way things are going, the world’s going to be over with. The end of the world is going to come before I get to where I should be.” Not so! You can look forward to doing it right—getting married, having a family, seeing your children and grandchildren, maybe even great-grandchildren.Why do people think the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is the End of the World? Can we not get married and have children during the Millennium? it will be a beautiful 1000 years!
LinuxGal Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 QuoteWhy do people think the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is the End of the World? Can we not get married and have children during the Millennium? it will be a beautiful 1000 years! Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage.
rodheadlee Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage.Many will survive the Second Coming of Christ and will not need to be resurrected until they die. Edited to add: I can find the scripture I wanted but this will do until I get off of work. The awolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of athe asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the bcockatrice’ den. 9 They shall not ahurt nor bdestroy in all my holy cmountain: for the dearth shall be full of the eknowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea. 10 ¶ And in athat day there shall be a broot of Jesse, which shall stand for an censign of the people; dto it shall the eGentiles seek: and his frest shall be glorious. Edited November 25, 2014 by rodheadlee
HappyJackWagon Posted November 25, 2014 Author Posted November 25, 2014 Off the top of my head the following: Israel and middle east US constitution in jeopardy Gospel preached across the worldThanks ERay. US Constitution in jeopardy- Is it in more jeopardy now than it was in the 1830's with the threat of civil war?Gospel preached around the world- I think Orson Hyde going on a mission to Jerusalem and dedicating it, as well as European missions would have been considered a sign during their time as well.
HappyJackWagon Posted November 25, 2014 Author Posted November 25, 2014 Almost everyone who said they would live to see the Second Coming has already died. Even Christ himjself said the Second Coming would transpire within the lifetimes of some standing there listening to his discourse on the Mount of Olives. Two thousand years of delay has stretched the meaning of "soon" far beyond the breaking point. Something isn't right.Actually, a number of people still have a promise to participate in the second coming as part of their patriarchal blessings. This used to be fairly common in PB's. It hasn't been that long ago that Patriarchs were counseled to keep blessings more general and without these kinds of statements. (I'm going to try to find a copy of the the Patriarch handbook as reference.)
Duncan Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) I have a joke about the 2nd Coming but I think if I say it i'd get booed or banned or something similar! so I won't say it! Edited November 25, 2014 by Duncan 1
HappyJackWagon Posted November 25, 2014 Author Posted November 25, 2014 Come on Duncan. You can do it.
rodheadlee Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Actually, the Kingdom of Israel ceased to exist in 722 BCE when it was conquered by the Assyrians. The southern kingdom of Judah lasted until it was conquered by Babylon in 587 BCE. After that, it existed as the province of Judea under the Greeks, Ptolemies, Selucids, and Romans until it was destroyed by the Romans in 132 CE. The Zion Project chose the name for their state at the last minute, and President Harry Truman recognized it, over the phone, 11 minutes after it was declared, before he even knew what the chosen name would be. It often amuses me to see the importance that Christian believers attach to this new state when theologically the temple in Jerusalem will never be sanctified by God for making animal sacrifices again. Not after he sacrificed his son. 11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the asecond time to brecover the cremnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the dislands of the sea. 12 And he shall set up an aensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
LinuxGal Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Many will survive the Second Coming of Christ and will not need to be resurrected until they die. But the only ones who will survive the Second Coming of Christ will be those accounted worthy to attain to everlasting life, and Christ said those will not marry or be given in marriage. Edited November 25, 2014 by LinuxGal
ERayR Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Thanks ERay. US Constitution in jeopardy- Is it in more jeopardy now than it was in the 1830's with the threat of civil war?Gospel preached around the world- I think Orson Hyde going on a mission to Jerusalem and dedicating it, as well as European missions would have been considered a sign during their time as well. Yes. Since 9/11 our civil liberties have been steadily eroding at an ever increasing rate. Even though Orson Hyde and others (my gggrandfather included) circled the globe preaching the gospel they did not preach to every tongue and people. Now we literally have missionaries in almost every country of the world.
ERayR Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 But the only ones who will survive the Second Coming of Christ will be those accounted worthy to attain to everlasting life, and Christ said those will not marry or be given in marriage.Would you please give a reference for this conclusion. I would like to read it for myself. 1
HappyJackWagon Posted November 25, 2014 Author Posted November 25, 2014 Yes. Since 9/11 our civil liberties have been steadily eroding at an ever increasing rate. Even though Orson Hyde and others (my gggrandfather included) circled the globe preaching the gospel they did not preach to every tongue and people. Now we literally have missionaries in almost every country of the world. I don't doubt that people see things are bad and getting worse. I just think it has always seemed to be so.
LinuxGal Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Would you please give a reference for this conclusion. I would like to read it for myself. REV 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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