Pinecone Posted November 29, 2014 Posted November 29, 2014 This discussion is about the 2nd Coming, and your concern is meteorite craters?Look up Abraham 3:19.
JAHS Posted November 29, 2014 Posted November 29, 2014 An interesting talk was given by president Hinckley In October 2001, just after the destruction of the world trade centers, President Hinckley said this in his opening address of General Conference: "The era in which we live is the fulness of times spoken of in the scriptures, when God has brought together all of the elements of previous dispensations. From the day that He and His Beloved Son manifested themselves to the boy Joseph, there has been a tremendous cascade of enlightenment poured out upon the world. The hearts of men have turned to their fathers in fulfillment of the words of Malachi. The vision of Joel has been fulfilled wherein he declared: "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call" (Joel 2:28-32). http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=e567759235d0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1 He said "the vision of Joel has been fulfilled". I am sure the sun appeared very dark on that day the world trade centers came down.
ERayR Posted November 29, 2014 Posted November 29, 2014 Then those of you who recognize what it truely is will be running around screaming your heads off. While the world will say your crazy because it has to be a comet, etc. - or why else the media preparing the wolrd to always be fearful of an asteroid slamming into the earth This discussion is about the 2nd Coming, and your concern is meteorite craters?Look up Abraham 3:19. It was you who brought it up. 1
LinuxGal Posted November 29, 2014 Posted November 29, 2014 So I'm uneducated? So how many meteorite craters are there across the face of this planet? Many of them have been erased by plate tectonics.
saemo Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 Isaiah 2 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us ago up to the bmountain of the Lord, to the chouse of the God of Jacob; and he will dteach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of eZion shall go forth the flaw, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall ajudge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn bwar any more. I understand this to reflect the situation in eighth-century Judah, where Isaiah is calling Judah and Jerusalem away from their idolatry (in juxtaposition to verses 6-22) and towards God's Royal City of Zion. I don't see it has anything to do with a belief in a millennium. Ezekiel 3633 Thus saith the Lord God; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. 34 And the adesolate land shall be btilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. 35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the agarden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become bfenced, andare inhabited. 36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the Lord abuild the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the Lord have spokenit, and I will bdo it.And I understand this to refer to the regeneration of Israel, in juxtaposition to the condemnation of Israel's conquerers in verses 1-7. Also, not anything to do with a belief in a millennium.
ERayR Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 I'll let everyone know when I'm ready for the 2nd coming. Be sure and let God know.
LinuxGal Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 And I understand this to refer to the regeneration of Israel, in juxtaposition to the condemnation of Israel's conquerers in verses 1-7. If Israel was conquered and it was not God's will, then he couldn't protect it. If Israel was conquered and it was God's will, whence the condemnation for the army that carried it out?
saemo Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 If Israel was conquered and it was not God's will, then he couldn't protect it. If Israel was conquered and it was God's will, whence the condemnation for the army that carried it out?That would be the view of God pre exilic. A pagan idea, that the strongest god/gods/goddesses produce a win in battle. Post exilic, where Israel was conquered, the view changed, to one of the One God of Israel was ever faithful, but would allow bad things to happen to people because of their sins. Sin and suffering being viewed, then, as being nearly one in the same. This does not indicate that God allowing suffering meant God caused suffering. Those who caused suffering were still the cause, not God.
The Nehor Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 If Israel was conquered and it was God's will, whence the condemnation for the army that carried it out?Because God uses the wicked to punish the wicked. A lot of the prophetic books in the Old Testament (Isaiah for example) cover God using the wicked to scourge the people. The whole book of Habakkuk is basically the prophet asking why God gives victory to the worst of the two parties (the Babylonians) when Israel has not fallen as far as they have.
cinepro Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 That assumes the Garden of Eden is the whole Earth. As far as I can tell, the Church has always taught that the whole Earth was created in an paradisical state, without any mortal animals or humans. The plan required the Creation, and that in turn required both the Fall and the Atonement. These are the three fundamental components of the plan. The creation of a paradisiacal planet came from God.12 Mortality and death came into the world through the Fall of Adam.13 Immortality and the possibility of eternal life were provided by the Atonement of Jesus Christ.14 The Creation, the Fall, and the Atonement were planned long before the actual work of the Creation began. The Creation - Russell M. Nelson
rodheadlee Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 I understand this to reflect the situation in eighth-century Judah, where Isaiah is calling Judah and Jerusalem away from their idolatry (in juxtaposition to verses 6-22) and towards God's Royal City of Zion. I don't see it has anything to do with a belief in a millennium. And I understand this to refer to the regeneration of Israel, in juxtaposition to the condemnation of Israel's conquerers in verses 1-7. Also, not anything to do with a belief in a millennium.It's what our Church teaches. I'm sure your's has a different interpretation. ISAIAHCHAPTER 2Isaiah sees the latter-day temple, gathering of Israel, and Millennial judgment and peace—The proud and wicked shall be brought low at the Second Coming—Compare 2 Nephi 12. THE BOOK OF THE PROPHETEZEKIELCHAPTER 36In the last days all the house of Israel shall be gathered to their own lands—The Lord will give them a new heart and a new spirit—They shall have his gospel law. I suggest the whole chapter 36 be read to put it into context.
rodheadlee Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 As far as I can tell, the Church has always taught that the whole Earth was created in an paradisical state, without any mortal animals or humans.The whole world that was the Garden of Eden, not the whole Earth. I don't believe the Garden of Eden is on Earth, Where are the Cherubim with the Flaming Sword guarding the way to the Tree of Life?
The Nehor Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 The whole world that was the Garden of Eden, not the whole Earth. I don't believe the Garden of Eden is on Earth, Where are the Cherubim with the Flaming Sword guarding the way to the Tree of Life? Down the street from me. I wish they were gone. They are lowering home values in the area with their decapitation of children who want a piece of fruit. 1
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