Church Edits Prayer So Women's General Mtg Is Not Part Of Gc

[JLHPROF]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsfaithblog/58509306-180/conference-session-women-general.html.csp

 

Really?  It was that big a deal that someone referred to Womens General Meeting as part of conference.

[cinepro]

What possible difference could it make whether or not the Women's meeting is a "session" of "General Conference"? Other than making a few women happy and giving some bloggers something to talk about, who cares?

[telnetd]

I wonder if their meetings will contain the term "priestess" from time to time.

 

Gail

[The Nehor]

What possible difference could it make whether or not the Women's meeting is a "session" of "General Conference"? Other than making a few women happy and giving some bloggers something to talk about, who cares?

 

Seconded.

[bluebell]

I think it's interesting that this change was made by a producer and not anyone who has ecclesiastical authority.

[Calm]

Don't we believe that those who give prayers are inspired in what they say?

 

Do we believe producers are the ones who have the calling to decide what words a General Authority says are inspired or not and should be going around altering prayers on their own without checking with the one who said it?

 

Questions my husband asked when I mentioned this to him.

[ksfisher]

I think it's interesting that this change was made by a producer and not anyone who has ecclesiastical authority.

 

The edit may have been made by a producer, but I would bet that a producer who made changes to general conference would be looking for a new job soon if he/she did it on their own initiative.

Edited October 11, 2014 by ksfisher

[Paddy]

I think it's interesting that this change was made by a producer and not anyone who has ecclesiastical authority.

Regardless of whether it was a producer it seems to have ecclesiastical endorsement because it still is not fixed on lds.org.

[The Nehor]

Don't we believe that those who give prayers are inspired in what they say?

I do not. I consider the prayers and hymns to be the "dead wood" of Conference.

Especially since they started letting women give them.

Edited October 11, 2014 by The Nehor

[bluebell]

The edit may have been made by a producer, but I would bet that a producer who made changes to general conference would be looking for a new job soon if he/she did it on their own initiative.

 

Even if something like making sure the conference sessions retained the correct numbering was completely within the purview of such a producer, if it were me i wouldn't touch this issue with a ten foot poll except there was an apostle telling me to do it.

 

But I guess we can't assume anything in this case since we just don't know.

[bluebell]

Regardless of whether it was a producer it seems to have ecclesiastical endorsement because it still is not fixed on lds.org.

 

It makes me wonder why Elder Uchtdorf's comments about it being the opening session of conference haven't been edited.

[omni]

Don't we believe that those who give prayers are inspired in what they say?

That's a very slippery slope.

[ksfisher]

Even if something like making sure the conference sessions retained the correct numbering was completely within the purview of such a producer, if it were me i wouldn't touch this issue with a ten foot poll except there was an apostle telling me to do it.

 

But I guess we can't assume anything in this case since we just don't know.

 

Exactly.

[AndyDnom]

i believe the prophet has ultimate say over anything that the church does, unless specified. So for example, if someone has a beard at BYU, they are disobeying the prophet. Did Thomas Monson make the rule about beards? No, but it is a church rule, and until he changes it, we have to assume that he is giving it his direct approval. To do otherwise is a slippery slope. I assume church leadership endorsed this change, until they correct it or say otherwise.

[The Nehor]

i believe the prophet has ultimate say over anything that the church does, unless specified. So for example, if someone has a beard at BYU, they are disobeying the prophet. Did Thomas Monson make the rule about beards? No, but it is a church rule, and until he changes it, we have to assume that he is giving it his direct approval. To do otherwise is a slippery slope. I assume church leadership endorsed this change, until they correct it or say otherwise.

BYU rules are not church rules. They are obviously related but they are distinct.

[WysteriaBlue]

This may not apply directly, but in reading the words of the prophets and speakers of the General Conference...under the heading of General Conference, after the listings of the 5 sessions is a listing of the General Women's Meeting speakers and topics.  It is part of the General Conference but is listed as a meeting and not a session of the GC.  I don't think it is right to "change" a prophet's words and prayers as he has spoken them...but that is just my own view.

 

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/sessions/2014/10?lang=eng

[JAHS]

Don't we believe that those who give prayers are inspired in what they say?

 

Do we believe producers are the ones who have the calling to decide what words a General Authority says are inspired or not and should be going around altering prayers on their own without checking with the one who said it?

 

Questions my husband asked when I mentioned this to him.

 

I have mentioned this before, that God does not take over a prophet's brain (male or female) and force him/her to say everything perfectly. People are still going to fumble when it come to articulating what they say in a prayer or talk even though the overall effect has been inspired by God.

Elder Orson Pratt once noted, that sometimes he – and probably other speakers – gave sermons when their “mind seemed to be entirely closed up....” Recalling such an incident, Pratt remarked, “What few words I could stammer forth before a congregation, were altogether unsatisfactory to my own mind, and I presume to those who heard me.” 

 

In my opinion this is much ado about nothing. Perhaps by the time the next conference comes up they will have made a more definite decision as to whether the Women' meeting should be "officially" labeled a session of conference or not. It would be easier if all the meetings were somehow held on the same weekend so there would be no confusion when someone calls the first Saturday session the second session.

Edited October 12, 2014 by JAHS

[tonie]

This whole ordeal is sad in many ways.  What is happening that people need the Womens Meeting to be identified as an the First Session?  What is happening that someone felt the need to edit the prayer?

 

 

 

"A week later, though, at the conference’s Saturday morning session, Henry B. Eyring, first counselor in the First Presidency, and Bonnie Oscarson, president of the Young Women’s organization (for girls ages 12 to 17), in her prayer, called Saturday morning’s gathering "the first session.""

[oremites]

It would be easier if all the meetings were somehow held on the same weekend so there would be no confusion when someone calls the first Saturday session the second session.

 

Add yet another session to conference weekend?  I know we all love sitting through meetings but you've got to draw the line somewhere.

[JAHS]

Add yet another session to conference weekend?  I know we all love sitting through meetings but you've got to draw the line somewhere.

Hey the men have to go to an extra session that weekend, why not the women? Perhaps they could simply replace one of the 4 regular sessions with the women's session?  

[Jeanne]

Excuse me Lord, That is not what I meant!