Mike Reed Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) Thoughts? Edited March 20, 2014 by Mike Reed
Vance Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 Three crosses for the edition of the month of Easter, and this is a problem how? As I recall the crucifixion story involves three individual (two thieves and the Christ) and three crosses.
Mike Reed Posted March 20, 2014 Author Posted March 20, 2014 Three crosses for the edition of the month of Easter, and this is a problem how? As I recall the crucifixion story involves three individual (two thieves and the Christ) and three crosses. Um... didn't say this is a problem.
Tacenda Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 Um... didn't say this is a problem. If it is, it's a good problem! 1
CV75 Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) Thoughts?Being an adult convert, I'm not familiar with many Primary songs even though we had children grow up in the Church. Apparently this song was written in 1969 by LDS (words by Mabel Jones Gabbott; music by Robert C.--what's up with that filter?!?!?!?!): https://www.lds.org/music/library/childrens-songbook/to-think-about-jesus?lang=eng I know we regularly refer to the cross in sacrament meeting hymns such as https://www.lds.org/music/library/hymns/upon-the-cross-of-calvary?lang=eng When I Google "lds images crucifixion", I get plenty of examples, though I know that focusing on it as a symbol of our faith has been avoided (as I see you must adress in your book!). Edited March 20, 2014 by CV75
Scott Lloyd Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) Um... didn't say this is a problem. No, but apparently you think it's remarkable. That there should be a depiction of the crucifixion in a Church magazine at Eastertide is not all that remarkable. And certainly not unprecedented. Edited March 20, 2014 by Scott Lloyd 4
Mike Reed Posted March 20, 2014 Author Posted March 20, 2014 No, but apparently you think it's remarkable. That there should be a depiction of the crucifixion in a Church magazine at Eastertide is not all that remarkable. And certainly not unprecedented.It isn't a depiction of the crucifixion. Look a little closer. The crosses are empty, and they are sillouetted against a sun with rays extending outward.
halconero Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 It is in reference to the crucifixion. Look at the words underneath. 2
bluebell Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 It isn't a depiction of the crucifixion. Look a little closer. The crosses are empty, and they are sillouetted against a sun with rays extending outward. But it seems reasonable to assume that the actual crucifixion/resurrection is what the picture is attempting to portray. Otherwise, what spiritual significance would there be in portraying three crosses in an LDS magazine? LDS frequently show crosses as they pertain to the events of Easter. I think that if the crosses were portrayed as jewelry or decoration that would be something significant as that seems to the difference between LDS and other Christians as far as how the cross is used by members. 3
halconero Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 Also, I'd like to point out that for the first 200 years of Early Christianity the cross was not popular among Christians. 1
Mike Reed Posted March 20, 2014 Author Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) Also, I'd like to point out that for the first 200 years of Early Christianity the cross was not popular among Christians.You should read my book's appendix. Edited March 20, 2014 by Mike Reed 1
Scott Lloyd Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 It isn't a depiction of the crucifixion. Look a little closer. The crosses are empty, and they are sillouetted against a sun with rays extending outward.In a stylistic way it does depict the crucifixion. Like halconero said, it is very much a direct reference to it. I really don't see new ground being broken here, your book notwithstanding.
Mike Reed Posted March 20, 2014 Author Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) It is a depiction of the crucifixion, with the crosses silhouetted against the sun with its rays extending outward, as the boy has a smile on his face? Edited March 20, 2014 by Mike Reed
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) Don't read to much into church artwork.I think that is something I could agree fully with you on. Edited March 20, 2014 by Mola Ram Suda Ram
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 Thoughts?It is interesting as it does look a little Evangelical. At the same time it is not that surprising as others have pointed out.
MiserereNobis Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 Your book looks interesting, Mike. I've never really been intellectually persuaded by the reasons Mormons have given me why they don't use crosses -- it has always appeared to be more cultural than doctrinal/theological. I can understand not using a crucifix, maybe because so many protestants don't. I like all the symbolism surrounding the crucifix. Not only does it denote the moment of the atonement (yes, I know we differ on this), but it also reminds me that I have to pick up MY cross and I have to be willing to be "crucified," that I have to allow my ego to die in order to attain salvation. Is this something new -- to have crosses depicted in the children's magazine? Or is it just unusual? 3
Scott Lloyd Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 It is a depiction of the crucifixion, with the crosses silhouetted against the sun with its rays extending outward, as the boy has a smile on his face?Did you read the song lyrics below the picture? The boy is feeling reverent as he thinks about Jesus, just as the words state.
Mike Reed Posted March 20, 2014 Author Posted March 20, 2014 Did you read the song lyrics below the picture? The boy is feeling reverent as he thinks about Jesus, just as the words state.Yes... I did. Jesus isn't depicted.
halconero Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 You should read my book's appendix. Link? Or summary? I'm a poor student who can't shell out $20.00 + shipping.
Mike Reed Posted March 20, 2014 Author Posted March 20, 2014 Link? Or summary? I'm a poor student who can't shell out $20.00 + shipping.You can preview some of the appendix on amazon
cinepro Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 Thoughts? While I'm aware of the aversion LDS have to crosses in jewelry, architecture and other "iconic" uses (and your research on the subject), I never in a million years would have found the artwork in the OP to be noteworthy. We do believe Jesus died on a cross, and frequently show that cross in artwork. 2
Mike Reed Posted March 20, 2014 Author Posted March 20, 2014 While I'm aware of the aversion LDS have to crosses in jewelry, architecture and other "iconic" uses (and your research on the subject), I never in a million years would have found the artwork in the OP to be noteworthy. We do believe Jesus died on a cross, and frequently show that cross in artwork.None of these are empty crosses, let alone glorified with the sun's rays.
Scott Lloyd Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 None of these are empty crosses, let alone glorified with the sun's rays.It could easily be regarded as a depiction of the aftermath of the crucifixion. That the crosses are being "glorified" is your own interpretation.
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