JLHPROF Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Chapter and verse please Obviously cremation is not forbidden in scripture. The Church doesn't believe that and neither do I. But scripture doesn't speak favorably of burning and always refers to burial.Most connect burial to baptism and the example of Christ: JST Genesis4 And God talked with him, saying, My people have gone astray from my precepts, and have not kept mine ordinances, which I gave unto their fathers;5 And they have not observed mine anointing, and the burial, or baptism wherewith I commanded them; D&C 76:51 They are they who received the testimony of Jesus, and believed on his name and were baptized after the manner of his burial, being buried in the water in his name, and this according to the commandment which he has given— In scripture burial is invariably the pattern among God's people. Also in scripture, burning is reserved as something done to the wicked. These are just traditions, but where a choice is available I would rather be buried after the manner of Christ. You can call it "false tradition" if you like. I won't mind as I'm not particularly worked up on this one. The example of having a grave and being buried is all through scripture, as is the example of the grave being opened. Burning and scattered ashes may not cause God a difficulty but they are not the pattern in scripture. Ancient Judaism forbade it, as did most Christian religions for many centuries. The bodies of reformers and Christians were dug up and burned to ash by the wicked. Yeah, it may just be tradition, but burial is one pattern I'd rather follow. 1
Buckeye Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Hmm didn't know that. I just want to be buried with my temple clothes and I don't want them burned. That's cool. I'm planning the same. Most of my family has done the same. I'm grateful to be in a country where we have space that allows such luxery. 1
JLHPROF Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Wait, what? Well, even perdition will be resurrected if that's what you are getting at.
Buckeye Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) Obviously cremation is not forbidden in scripture. The Church doesn't believe that and neither do I. But scripture doesn't speak favorably of burning and always refers to burial.Most connect burial to baptism and the example of Christ: JST Genesis4 And God talked with him, saying, My people have gone astray from my precepts, and have not kept mine ordinances, which I gave unto their fathers;5 And they have not observed mine anointing, and the burial, or baptism wherewith I commanded them; D&C 76:51 They are they who received the testimony of Jesus, and believed on his name and were baptized after the manner of his burial, being buried in the water in his name, and this according to the commandment which he has given— In scripture burial is invariably the pattern among God's people. Also in scripture, burning is reserved as something done to the wicked. These are just traditions, but where a choice is available I would rather be buried after the manner of Christ. You can call it "false tradition" if you like. I won't mind as I'm not particularly worked up on this one. The example of having a grave and being buried is all through scripture, as is the example of the grave being opened. Burning and scattered ashes may not cause God a difficulty but they are not the pattern in scripture. Ancient Judaism forbade it, as did most Christian religions for many centuries. The bodies of reformers and Christians were dug up and burned to ash by the wicked. Yeah, it may just be tradition, but burial is one pattern I'd rather follow. This is about as good an explanation as I've ever heard. Thanks. Well, even perdition will be resurrected if that's what you are getting at. That was my question. Edited April 17, 2015 by Buckeye
Jeanne Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 I can't do this now as my buriel and plot are all taken care of. But I heard recently (cant remember where I read it) where one can have their ashes and mixed with soil to plant a tree or any plant that would grow in the yard of family. I apologize if this has already been mentioned..but I kinda like that idea. Talk about living forever!
pogi Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Obviously cremation is not forbidden in scripture. The Church doesn't believe that and neither do I. But scripture doesn't speak favorably of burning and always refers to burial.Most connect burial to baptism and the example of Christ: JST Genesis4 And God talked with him, saying, My people have gone astray from my precepts, and have not kept mine ordinances, which I gave unto their fathers;5 And they have not observed mine anointing, and the burial, or baptism wherewith I commanded them; D&C 76:51 They are they who received the testimony of Jesus, and believed on his name and were baptized after the manner of his burial, being buried in the water in his name, and this according to the commandment which he has given— In scripture burial is invariably the pattern among God's people. Also in scripture, burning is reserved as something done to the wicked. These are just traditions, but where a choice is available I would rather be buried after the manner of Christ. You can call it "false tradition" if you like. I won't mind as I'm not particularly worked up on this one. The example of having a grave and being buried is all through scripture, as is the example of the grave being opened. Burning and scattered ashes may not cause God a difficulty but they are not the pattern in scripture. Ancient Judaism forbade it, as did most Christian religions for many centuries. The bodies of reformers and Christians were dug up and burned to ash by the wicked. Yeah, it may just be tradition, but burial is one pattern I'd rather follow. Don't forget the baptism of fire 1
JLHPROF Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Don't forget the baptism of fire :clapping: Different thing. Don't forget the lake of fire either.
The Nehor Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 I can't do this now as my buriel and plot are all taken care of. But I heard recently (cant remember where I read it) where one can have their ashes and mixed with soil to plant a tree or any plant that would grow in the yard of family. I apologize if this has already been mentioned..but I kinda like that idea. Talk about living forever!Does that mean that you get resurrected as an Ent? 3
Buckeye Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 I can't do this now as my buriel and plot are all taken care of. But I heard recently (cant remember where I read it) where one can have their ashes and mixed with soil to plant a tree or any plant that would grow in the yard of family. I apologize if this has already been mentioned..but I kinda like that idea. Talk about living forever! Regardless of burial method, in one way or another the elements that comprise your body will continue to be part of living organisms in the future. For example, the water you're drinking has been consumed and expired from millions of different living things going back to the dinosaurs and earlier. All part of the circle of life.
Buckeye Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Does that mean that you get resurrected as an Ent? Ents and fire don't mix.
Calm Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) The idea of being in a box for longer than 3 seconds does not appeal to me in the least. For centuries having been pickled first? No, thanks. My family knows I want to be cremated after using whatever parts of my body can be used for science or to help others in any way (don't know if they are still asking for brains of those with my movement disorder like they were ten years ago), knows why and probably will do it that way...though if they don't because it bothers them, I won't hold it against them since I will be dead and all my phobias and movement disorders will be irrelevant...at least for that particular lump of clay. Edited April 17, 2015 by calmoriah 2
mnn727 Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Ents and fire don't mix.You've never heard of fireents?
bcuzbcuz Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 My view is that burial is ridiculously expensive and serves no purpose other than to make a funeral company thousands of dollars. I plan to be cremated. In Vancouver, burial can be as much as $50,000 or more. What a waste. Burn me and toss my ashes in the ocean.Cremation costs around a €1000 in Canada but if the family wants to view the body then costs quickly escalate. It will cost about 4000 or 5000 to have the body prepared for viewing. However, the cost of transporting ashes is virtually zero (€400 for the paperwork). Both the ashes of my first wife and the ashes of my second son have been transported to the country of their birth to share the same family grave site. Try that with a full sized coffin and embalmed body. We're not rich so without cremation the actual burial in the family grave site would not have been possible.
Buckeye Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 You've never heard of fireents? Okay, I googled it. I stand corrected. http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Fire_ent
toon Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 I want to be stuffed and left in a rocking chair on the porch of an old house on a busy road. The chair part is ok. I just want to be kept in a chair and cared for by my son Norman, who also manages the hotel next door.
toon Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Regardless of burial method, in one way or another the elements that comprise your body will continue to be part of living organisms in the future. For example, the water you're drinking has been consumed and expired from millions of different living things going back to the dinosaurs and earlier. All part of the circle of life. Bury my body, Lord I don't care whereBury my body, Lord I don't care whereBury my body, Lord I don't care where'Cause my soul is gonna live with God. I really don't care what happens to me, but I'd like to leave behind a few extra $$, so I hope my family would be perfectly happy with cremation.
Buckeye Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 The chair part is ok. I just want to be kept in a chair and cared for by my son Norman, who also manages the hotel next door. Move to Puerto Rico. Apparently it's kind of a thing there to have the dead embalmed and kept around the family. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dead-puerto-rican-boxer-posed-standing-ring-article-1.1598532 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7684230/Motorbike-fanatics-body-displayed-on-Honda-for-three-day-wake.html http://www.nydailynews.com/news/strangest-funerals-time-gallery-1.1807190?pmSlide=1.1807181
The Nehor Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Move to Puerto Rico. Apparently it's kind of a thing there to have the dead embalmed and kept around the family. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dead-puerto-rican-boxer-posed-standing-ring-article-1.1598532 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7684230/Motorbike-fanatics-body-displayed-on-Honda-for-three-day-wake.html http://www.nydailynews.com/news/strangest-funerals-time-gallery-1.1807190?pmSlide=1.1807181It being normal would defeat the whole purpose.
pogi Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) :clapping: Different thing. Don't forget the lake of fire either. Also in scripture, burning is reserved as something done to the wicked. So, this got me thinking about what the scriptures actually do say about fire/burning and the symbolism that can be attributed to it. Interestingly, in the old testament the death and sacrifice of the savior was not symbolized by a burial, but by the burning of an offering or sacrifice by fire whose smoke rose up as a savory scent unto the Lord. The smoke was symbolic of the spirit rising up to the Lord in heaven. Fire and burning is a symbol for cleansing, purifying, or sanctifying. Fire can also serve as a symbol of God’s presence. In the Topical Guide under “fire” it says, "see also Earth, Cleansing of ; Flame ; God, Presence of ; God, Spirit of ; Hell ; Holy Ghost, Baptism of ; Transfiguration ; World, End of." Note that only one of those references for fire (hell) has a negative connotation. It is true that the wicked will be destroyed by fire (2 Nephi 32:10), but it will equally true that the righteous will be preserved by fire (1 Nephi 22:17). Here are some scriptural references on burning and fire: Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: Numbers 31:23.the bush burned with fire: Ex. 3:2 .in a pillar of fire, to give them light: Ex. 13:21 .food of the offering made by fire: Lev. 3:11 . ( Lev. 21:6 . )thy God is a consuming fire: Deut. 4:24 . ( Heb. 12:29 . )Lord talked … out of the midst of the fire: Deut. 5:4 .Who maketh … his ministers a flaming fire: Ps. 104:4 . ( Heb. 1:7 . )shining of a flaming fire by night: Isa. 4:5 .Lord, whose fire is in Zion: Isa. 31:9 .he is like a refiner’s fire: Mal. 3:2 . ( D&C 128:24 . )baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Matt. 3:11 . ( Luke 3:16 . )shall be revealed by fire: 1 Cor. 3:13 .gold … tried with fire: 1 Pet. 1:7 . ( Rev. 3:18 . )sea of glass mingled with fire: Rev. 15:2 .there came a pillar of fire: 1 Ne. 1:6 .light of Israel shall be for a fire: 2 Ne. 20:17 .encircled about as if by fire: Hel. 5:23 . ( Hel. 5:24 ; 3 Ne. 17:24 ; 3 Ne. 19:14 . )remission of sins by baptism, and by fire: D&C 19:31 .by the fire of mine indignation will I preserve them: D&C 35:14 . ( Moses 7:34 . )they reside … on a globe like … fire: D&C 130:7 .like unto circling flames of fire: D&C 137:2 .priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee: 1 Kgs. 13:2 .Did not our heart burn within us: Luke 24:32 .a small voice … did cause their hearts to burn: 3 Ne. 11:3 .if it is right … your bosom shall burn: D&C 9:8 .purged the blood of Jerusalem … by the spirit of burning: Isa. 4:4 . ( 2 Ne. 14:4 . ) I found this one particularly curious and interesting in regard to cremation: And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing (1 Cor. 13:3). In this passage it speaks of the burning of the body as a potentially noble act. It is most likely speaking about being willing to die for the gospel by fire, but I find it highly symbolic of burnt offering. Paul clearly was not disturbed or offended by the thought of burning instead of burial. In conclusion, I find the potential symbolism of both burial and cremation equally compelling and appealing. I actually find the symbolism of offering my body as a burnt offering with the smoke rising up to heaven as a pleasant scent unto the Lord, symbolic of my spirit rising up to stand in His presence (also symbolized by fire in scripture), to be purified, sanctified, and preserved by His cleansing fire quite beautiful. Edited April 17, 2015 by pogi 1
The Nehor Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Plus if you are cremated your soul is also okay if it turns out that those who worship Molech were right. Gotta hedge your bets. 1
Daniel2 Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 I used to want to be cremated, but now I want to be buried in a tree pod!!!! These are SO cool...http://www.inquisitr.com/1888594/burial-pods-biodegradable-coffins-could-one-day-replace-depressing-cemeteries-with-lush-green-forests/
Freedom Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 Cremation costs around a €1000 in Canada but if the family wants to view the body then costs quickly escalate. It will cost about 4000 or 5000 to have the body prepared for viewing. However, the cost of transporting ashes is virtually zero (€400 for the paperwork). Both the ashes of my first wife and the ashes of my second son have been transported to the country of their birth to share the same family grave site. Try that with a full sized coffin and embalmed body. We're not rich so without cremation the actual burial in the family grave site would not have been possible.I found a place that costs $800 after taxes but I think I should at least have a plaque somewhere. I don't recall the costs for that. One location has a wall with small slots in it for $500 each but the place is rather far away from the City.
Freedom Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 In conclusion, I find the potential symbolism of both burial and cremation equally compelling and appealing. I actually find the symbolism of offering my body as a burnt offering with the smoke rising up to heaven as a pleasant scent unto the Lord, symbolic of my spirit rising up to stand in His presence (also symbolized by fire in scripture), to be purified, sanctified, and preserved by His cleansing fire quite beautiful. Symbolism smimolism. It is all about the costs.
Tacenda Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 The chair part is ok. I just want to be kept in a chair and cared for by my son Norman, who also manages the hotel next door.ROFL!!!
Tacenda Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 The idea of being in a box for longer than 3 seconds does not appeal to me in the least. For centuries having been pickled first? No, thanks. My family knows I want to be cremated after using whatever parts of my body can be used for science or to help others in any way (don't know if they are still asking for brains of those with my movement disorder like they were ten years ago), knows why and probably will do it that way...though if they don't because it bothers them, I won't hold it against them since I will be dead and all my phobias and movement disorders will be irrelevant...at least for that particular lump of clay.I'm an organ donor so I like this idea so much. Need to put this in writing! My family won't complain, more money in their pockets. And I like the tree pod idea and to keep me company.
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