Women Buys All The Indecent T-Shirts In Orem Store Mall.

[Yirgacheffe]

I find the idea of editing the pictures a bit creepy, but listening to the newscast the District warned the students that their pictures could be edited if their clothing was not in compliance with dress standards, but apologized that the application of the edits was not uniform.    

 

So we have a school with a dress code and some students chose to ignore the dress standards for their picture.  After ignoring the dress code they want to be angry that their pictures were edited.  Simple correction - observe the dress code and there are no problems.  

If the kids violated the dress code it should have been addressed at the beginning of the day.  If none of the kids were called out on the dress code and were allowed to wear what they were photographed in through out the school day, how is it a violation?  It appears to be extremely poor administration.  I agree this is creepy, that some girls were let go and some failed someone test is worrisome. It gives me a bad feeling about those who were looking through the photos of these girls.

Edited May 29, 2014 by Yirgacheffe

[Thinking]

Did you notice that the one photo was edited to remove the girl's tattoo? Are tattoos against the dress code?

Edited May 29, 2014 by Thinking

[Tacenda]

If the kids violated the dress code it should have been addressed at the beginning of the day. If none of the kids were called out on the dress code and were allowed to wear what they were photographed in through out the school day, how is it a violation? It appears to be extremely poor administration. I agree this is creepy, that some girls were let go and some failed someone test is worrisome. It gives me a bad feeling about those who were looking through the photos of these girls.

This reminds me of my sophmore yearbook photo, it had a black ink splotch on my cheek, I suspected it was someone on the yearbook staff that had it in for me. But yes, it's funny how some were altered and others were not, and it was extreme and seemed to go along with the big push for young women to cover their shoulders.

In my Senior picture I had a sleeveless shirt on. And I remember in the earlier years, the girls wore off the shoulder dresses, it was the norm.

Edited May 29, 2014 by Tacenda

[Storm Rider]

My initial reaction when listening to the newscast was that someone had a new piece of photography software and went nuts.  It was hit a miss rather than a clear standard to review each photo.  I suspect that in hind sight they wished someone had a much stronger handle on how to respond to dress standard violations.  Maybe choices for each and every person that violated the dress standards; you can retake the picture at your own expense and submit your photo, your photo can be deleted completely, or you can request that it be edited.  This would be a logistical nightmare given how difficult it is to get an annual completed.  Give them deadlines and if they don't perform within the timeline inform them that the decision will be to delete the photo completely.  

[Yirgacheffe]

My initial reaction when listening to the newscast was that someone had a new piece of photography software and went nuts.  It was hit a miss rather than a clear standard to review each photo.  I suspect that in hind sight they wished someone had a much stronger handle on how to respond to dress standard violations.  Maybe choices for each and every person that violated the dress standards; you can retake the picture at your own expense and submit your photo, your photo can be deleted completely, or you can request that it be edited.  This would be a logistical nightmare given how difficult it is to get an annual completed.  Give them deadlines and if they don't perform within the timeline inform them that the decision will be to delete the photo completely.  

That doesn't address the fact that they were allowed to attend school wearing the clothes in the pictures.  If they were in violation of the dress code they never should have made it to the point of having their picture taken in the violating clothing, they should have been sent home, made to change, what ever the school does with kids who violate the dress code.  If the outfits were good enough for the school day they are good enough for the yearbook.

[Thinking]

That doesn't address the fact that they were allowed to attend school wearing the clothes in the pictures.  If they were in violation of the dress code they never should have made it to the point of having their picture taken in the violating clothing, they should have been sent home, made to change, what ever the school does with kids who violate the dress code.  If the outfits were good enough for the school day they are good enough for the yearbook.

 

Yearbook photos are typically taken off campus at a professional studio. The studio then sends the pictures to the school yearbook staff.

[thesometimesaint]

A bunch of busybodies with too much time on their hands, and too little sense.

[Yirgacheffe]

Yearbook photos are typically taken off campus at a professional studio. The studio then sends the pictures to the school yearbook staff.

In my experience only senior pictures are taken at a studio  but often even these are shot at school.  I've found that typically yearbook pictures are taken just prior to the start of school and are also used for the students ID, since these are also the ID pictures kids are not allowed to be photographed in clothing that does not match the dress code.  If you show up in unacceptable clothing you will not only be refused a picture but you will not be able to pick up your schedule or other materials for the start of school.

Edited May 29, 2014 by Yirgacheffe

[bluebell]

A bunch of busybodies with too much time on their hands, and too little sense.

A school has the right to set and enforce a dress code.

[bluebell]

Did you notice that the one photo was edited to remove the girl's tattoo? Are tattoos against the dress code?

In a lot of schools visible tattoos are against the dress code.

[Yirgacheffe]

A school has the right to set and enforce a dress code.

Then they should enforce the dress code at the time not months later, who grounds their kids in May for not doing their chores in January?  There is also the issue of letting some pictures stand and editing others, who decides which girls shoulders or decolletage are too provocative?

Edited May 29, 2014 by Yirgacheffe

[Tacenda]

In a lot of schools visible tattoos are against the dress code.

My neighbor was chastised by a 5 yr. old just the other day.  She was wearing baggy sweats and a tank top in her home, and the 5 yr. old boy was playing with her son when he told her she was immodest, true story.  I think it's out of control in Utah.  Now we have little children policing, where do they get this...Primary and home?  Could it stem from seeing the church adding sleeves to angels in an artists rendition that didn't have them on at the first?  Telling us it's bad to see shoulders?  It just keeps getting worse and worse.   

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Then they should enforce the dress code at the time not months later, who grounds their kids in May for not doing their chores in January?  There is also the issue of letting some pictures stand and editing others, who decides which girls shoulders or decolletage are too provocative?

Meh, I have no issues with groups or schools having standards and then enforcing them in a way they choose. They can do what they want. I

Edited May 29, 2014 by Mola Ram Suda Ram

[Yirgacheffe]

Meh, I have no issues with groups or schools having standards and then enforcing them in a way they choose. They can do what they want. I

I don't see that they had standards to begin with, they just came up with them later.

[thesometimesaint]

A school has the right to set and enforce a dress code.

 

Most of my school years there was a dress code. My senior year in H.S. the dress code was eliminated except for the requirement to wear protective shoes in the Shop classes. The world didn't fall into anarchy of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[SeekingUnderstanding]

I don't see that they had standards to begin with, they just came up with them later.

From the school district website:

Clothing will be modest, neat, clean, in good repair. Modesty includes covering shoulders, midriff, back, underwear, and cleavage at all times. Extreme clothing, including but not limited to, baggy or "sagging" clothing; excessively oversized clothing; inappropriately short, tight, or revealing shorts, skirts, dresses, tank shirts, halter or crop tops, spaghetti straps, etc.; clothing that is mutilated, tom, ripped, or frayed; and crossdressing is prohibited. Skirts, dresses and shorts must be at least mid-thigh length when seated.

[bluebell]

Most of my school years there was a dress code. My senior year in H.S. the dress code was eliminated except for the requirement to wear protective shoes in the Shop classes. The world didn't fall into anarchy of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

 

That's great and all, but it doesn't really matter.

 

Whatever you opinion is about dress codes it is completely irrelevant to the issue.  A school has a right to set and enforce a dress code. 

[Rain]

I helped with the pictures last year at Utah school. I was a PTA volunteer. I know many of the schools in Utah use the same photography company so there is likely the same set up in those schools.

The pictures were taken the week or so before school. Each grade were assigned their own day. We found that few kids came first thing. When it was nearing the end of the time we would have these huge lines going down the hallway.

Besides taking the money on and helping with picture info and checking ID and giving out specific numbers to match the pictures we were supposed to watch the dress code - they had been given warning. Then we had to deal with upset kids and parents. We tried the best we could by suggesting a switch of shirts with a sibling or friend or draping a sweater over shoulders etc., but I'm sure we missed a few even with the photographers trying to watch for it as well.

So it really doesn't surprise me that some kids were missed when the pictures were taken and I have no problem with the editing.

As far as some getting edited and some not? I'll not judge that either. Yes, they should have all been done if some were, but I don't know the circumstances.

I do know that in the junior high when we had 4 moms working on the yearbook, we were not given knowledge of the software to do that, but I could have done it on my own. In the high school the yearbook is typically yearbook advisors and student run.

[bluebell]

Then they should enforce the dress code at the time not months later, who grounds their kids in May for not doing their chores in January?  

 

Do we actually know that these pictures were taken during the school day?

[Rain]

My neighbor was chastised by a 5 yr. old just the other day. She was wearing baggy sweats and a tank top in her home, and the 5 yr. old boy was playing with her son when he told her she was immodest, true story. I think it's out of control in Utah. Now we have little children policing, where do they get this...Primary and home? Could it stem from seeing the church adding sleeves to angels in an artists rendition that didn't have them on at the first? Telling us it's bad to see shoulders? It just keeps getting worse and worse.

This isn't a modesty issue. This is a child issue. Sometimes because the child is that way or hasn't learned not to yet and sometimes because the parents have not brought up the child to behave appropriately. The same child could have told her she was watering the lawn wrong and it would have been the same problem.

Edited May 29, 2014 by Rain

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

I don't see that they had standards to begin with, they just came up with them later.

Are you sure about that. I just heard a news report on the radio that the girls knew about the standards before hand and chose to ignore it knowing that this could happen. So don't give me that.

[bluebell]

My neighbor was chastised by a 5 yr. old just the other day.  She was wearing baggy sweats and a tank top in her home, and the 5 yr. old boy was playing with her son when he told her she was immodest, true story.  I think it's out of control in Utah.  Now we have little children policing, where do they get this...Primary and home?  Could it stem from seeing the church adding sleeves to angels in an artists rendition that didn't have them on at the first?  Telling us it's bad to see shoulders?  It just keeps getting worse and worse.   

 

You've been a mother to a 5 year old, right?  Do you really not remember how literal they are?  

 

If you managed to raise children who never took a good teaching that you gave them and interpreted it rigidly or tried to hold others to a rigid standard of it then you should teach the rest of us how to do it.  

[thesometimesaint]

That's great and all, but it doesn't really matter.

 

Whatever you opinion is about dress codes it is completely irrelevant to the issue.  A school has a right to set and enforce a dress code. 

 

Actually it doesn't. The courts have repeatedly said that style of clothing in public schools is a First Amendment issue. I don't recommend that anyone including high school students, bare it all in public, but style of clothing is just an irrelevancy to me. 

[bluebell]

Actually it doesn't. The courts have repeatedly said that style of clothing in public schools is a First Amendment issue. I don't recommend that anyone including high school students, bare it all in public, but style of clothing is just an irrelevancy to me. 

 

No, they haven't.

 

Schools have dress codes, and they are legal.  

[thesometimesaint]

No, they haven't.

 

Schools have dress codes, and they are legal.  

 

http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2014/02/constitution-check-do-school-uniform-policies-violate-the-first-amendment/