Helen47 Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 interesting debate on australian tv on this issue. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2014/01/31/3934900.htm Is one insulting you if one argues that Joseph Smith was a fraud. Whats the best position to follow, Bushman or Vogel? I did not now much about Muhammad so I made it my business to at least read Karen Armstrong's book on the man.
Calm Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 In the Bible, God never prevented anyone from actually insulting a prophet that I could see so they weren't exactly protected…but there were at times some pretty harsh consequences for those doing the insulting.
The Nehor Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 If you insult prophets you should remember what Stephen Colbert warned us about: "The bears are out to get you." 2
Palerider Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 It seems some here have no problem insulting past Biblical Prophets and Apostles, yet when it comes to their own "modern" prophets their dander gets up pretty quick if one even looks sideways at them. I just figure everyone should play by the same rules. If it's o.k. to insult a Biblical prophet then it's o.k. to insult a "modern" one.
Thunderfire Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Interesting question! Should God and his prophets be protected from insult? A couple ways you can see this: 1) It is impossible to be insulted unless you have pride in your heart. So you have no need to protect yourself from insults that mean nothing to you! 2) God does not need my protection. If I was strong enough to protect God, then he surely isn't God in the first place.
Kenngo1969 Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) In the Bible, God never prevented anyone from actually insulting a prophet that I could see so they weren't exactly protected…but there were at times some pretty harsh consequences for those doing the insulting.She-bears? P.S.: The Nehor beat me to it! Good call! Edited February 8, 2014 by Kenngo1969
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 In the Bible, God never prevented anyone from actually insulting a prophet that I could see so they weren't exactly protected…but there were at times some pretty harsh consequences for those doing the insulting.He did with Elijah I believe, two young men making fun of his baldness we attach by a she bear and killed...or was the a someone else.
teddyaware Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 interesting debate on australian tv on this issue. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2014/01/31/3934900.htm Is one insulting you if one argues that Joseph Smith was a fraud. Whats the best position to follow, Bushman or Vogel? I did not now much about Muhammad so I made it my business to at least read Karen Armstrong's book on the man.The vile treatment, tormenting, scourging and crucifixion of the guiltless Jesus Christ clearly demonstrates there is no way to prevent insults to the Lord's anointed.19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. (John 15) 1
Damien the Leper Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 The vile treatment, tormenting, scourging and crucifixion of the guiltless Jesus Christ clearly demonstrates there is no way to prevent insults to the Lord's anointed.19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. (John 15) That's a general statement for the body of believers and not exclusive to any church authority.
ERMD Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Apparently, as long as you don' say something REAL offensive, like, "Go up thou bald head," you're OK. 3
teddyaware Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 That's a general statement for the body of believers and not exclusive to any church authority. It is Christ speaking to His Apostles. And they were persecuted and defamed. 1
Damien the Leper Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 It is Christ speaking to His Apostles. And they were persecuted and defamed. You're missing the depth of the statement. Jesus was essentially saying what all believers will endure at some point. It was a moment of admonition that is not exclusively applied. Asserting such undermines the the broader intent of his statement. 1
Helen47 Posted February 9, 2014 Author Posted February 9, 2014 My granddaughter was lifted up on my husband's shoulders and she exclaimed 'Grandpa, your bald". But then he is no prophet.
Kenngo1969 Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 My granddaughter was lifted up on my husband's shoulders and she exclaimed 'Grandpa, your bald". But then he is no prophet.He is if he has the testimony of Jesus. (See Revelation 19:10).
urroner Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) He did with Elijah I believe, two young men making fun of his baldness we attach by a she bear and killed...or was the a someone else.It wasn't just two young men. 2 Kings 2:23-2423 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. My question is "What were those bears doing in the woods anyway?" Edited February 9, 2014 by urroner 1
strappinglad Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 You KNOW what they were doing in the woods, urroner. This speaks to the changing arboreal climate in those days. 1
Flyonthewall Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 It wasn't just two young men. 2 Kings 2:23-24 23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. My question is "What were those bears doing in the woods anyway?"Visiting the Pope...
Calm Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 He did with Elijah I believe, two young men making fun of his baldness we attach by a she bear and killed...or was the a someone else.He didn't stop their mouths before they insulted Elijah though...the insult was made and then they were punished for showing disrespect. (to me it seemed overkill). I don't believe there is evidence that God works like Minority Report, where people are punished before they commit their sin.God may care for His prophets, but I don't think he mollycoddles them.
Scott Lloyd Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) In the Bible, God never prevented anyone from actually insulting a prophet that I could see so they weren't exactly protected…but there were at times some pretty harsh consequences for those doing the insulting.Like being attacked by she-bears that the prophet called out of the forest? ETA: Oops. Gotta read to the end of the thread before I respond, I guess. Edited February 9, 2014 by Scott Lloyd 1
Scott Lloyd Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 He didn't stop their mouths before they insulted Elijah though...the insult was made and then they were punished for showing disrespect. (to me it seemed overkill).Me too -- which I believe there is more to the story than we have received. 2
Scott Lloyd Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 It seems some here have no problem insulting past Biblical Prophets and Apostles, yet when it comes to their own "modern" prophets their dander gets up pretty quick if one even looks sideways at them.I just figure everyone should play by the same rules. If it's o.k. to insult a Biblical prophet then it's o.k. to insult a "modern" one.I don't think it's OK to insult them whether ancient or modern. 1
Flyonthewall Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 Perhaps this is a case of God backing up His prophet... even if it is not what God would have done... ?
Scott Lloyd Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) Perhaps this is a case of God backing up His prophet... even if it is not what God would have done... ?The way I read it is that Elishah made the curse and left it up to God to decide how to execute it. Could be that, in the eyes of God, those young punks deserved what they got. We don't have all the details. Edited February 10, 2014 by Scott Lloyd
Flyonthewall Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 Elisha had the example of Elijah to follow and Elijah was pretty heavy handed - he kept calling down fire from heaven to dispatch people... One of the first things Elisha did after receiving the mantel of Elijah was handle those kids(more likely rebel youth...anarchrists maybe), after of course he healed the waters.
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