What Is Causing Men To Fall Behind Women?

[cursor]

Yet, the "group" is (or at least should be) a responsible collection of sampled individuals. In any event, it doesn't/shouldn't [honestly] stereotype worth based on gender.

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[thesometimesaint]

Sterotype isn't necessarily a bad word. It is when we make false assumptions based on a sterotype. IE; The sterotypical human male is physically bigger than the sterotypical human female. That doesn't mean that there aren't some human females physically bigger than some human males.

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[cursor]

Stereotype isn't necessarily a bad word. It is when we make false assumptions based on a steerotype. 

 

Damn, sounds like that makes it a bad word ... right?

 

To stereotype is to over-generalize based on whatever selective [usually false] class or criteria.

 

Within this thread I hoped that we could go above and beyond unnecessarily prejudiced perspectives in search of real truth, based in perspectives of real human abilities to contribute—setting gender aside.

[cursor]

'Bigoted' isn't necessarily a bad word [it's just when we express really dumb, shallow, and uninformed opinions based on ... who the hell knows what];. 

 

But it ain't a bad word. And certainly the application of that word can't be bad.

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[Stone holm]

Sterotype isn't necessarily a bad word. It is when we make false assumptions based on a sterotype. IE; The sterotypical human male is physically bigger than the sterotypical human female. That doesn't mean that there aren't some human females physically bigger than some human males.

Stereotype in modern common usage connotes an unwarranted generalisation based on social culture, in this context would be that women are best suitable to clean the house, teach and nurture the children, and prepare the meals. As a result for careers they should restrict themselves to being maids, cooks, nurses, and teaching in primary schools. The flip side being they should stay out of business management, medicine, law, military, etc. There have in the past some other stereotypes based on race. It may well be on the other hand that gender does affect certain averages, for example on average men may be stronger, that girls will get taller quicker than boys, but that boys will eventually on average eventually be taller, etc. I think the standards issue is one that should have ongoing debate. If you are talking about an infantry combat soldier, to me it makes no sense to lower physical standards based strictly on gender. However, fewer and fewer military positions are based on brute strength and speed. Thus, you should not be weeding out either men or women based solely on such physical attributes. Fortunately, the military rejected one of my sons who was an honor student and went on to be very successful in another field because he had a pin in one elbow. This kid was blowing out all their tests at a time when the recruiters were taking kids down to try several times to pass the mental tests which they had previously failed. This is clearly an example of stupidity, I suspect that they have turned away or washed even more qualified young women from our armed services.

[thesometimesaint]

Damn, sounds like that makes it a bad word ... right?

 

To stereotype is to over-generalize based on whatever selective [usually false] class or criteria.

 

Within this thread I hoped that we could go above and beyond unnecessarily prejudiced perspectives in search of real truth, based in perspectives of real human abilities to contribute—setting gender aside.

No it isn't a bad word.

 

It can be merely a discriptor. If I were describe myself to someone whom knows nothing about me. One of the first things I would describe myself as is a male, I'm also 6'2", 250 LBS, and Caucasion. That puts me well outside the norm. I tend to standout out in a crowd.

 

We can't set gender aside, but we can not overemphasize its importance.

[Stone holm]

'Bigoted isn't necessarily a bad word, it's when we ... [express really dumb, and uninformed opinions based on ... who the hell knows what];. 

 

But it ain't a bad word. And certainly the application of that word can't be bad.

Whether something is considered bigoted depends on social customs. The vast majority of American Presidents if judged by our times were racially bigoted. For much of our history a huge percentage of Americans were probably considered bigoted against Mormons. Almost by definition social conservatives are going to be considered bigoted because they normally are resistant to social change and the word bigot is normally applied to people who are expressing or exhibiting value judgments which are in the process of being shed by society. For historical examples racists, antisemitism ,etc. Presently, society is changing its attitudes on homosexuality so those who manifest or express opinions contrary to that are going to earn for themselves the epithet of bigot.

[thesometimesaint]

Stereotype in modern common usage connotes an unwarranted generalisation based on social culture, in this context would be that women are best suitable to clean the house, teach and nurture the children, and prepare the meals. As a result for careers they should restrict themselves to being maids, cooks, nurses, and teaching in primary schools. The flip side being they should stay out of business management, medicine, law, military, etc. There have in the past some other stereotypes based on race. It may well be on the other hand that gender does affect certain averages, for example on average men may be stronger, that girls will get taller quicker than boys, but that boys will eventually on average eventually be taller, etc. I think the standards issue is one that should have ongoing debate. If you are talking about an infantry combat soldier, to me it makes no sense to lower physical standards based strictly on gender. However, fewer and fewer military positions are based on brute strength and speed. Thus, you should not be weeding out either men or women based solely on such physical attributes. Fortunately, the military rejected one of my sons who was an honor student and went on to be very successful in another field because he had a pin in one elbow. This kid was blowing out all their tests at a time when the recruiters were taking kids down to try several times to pass the mental tests which they had previously failed. This is clearly an example of stupidity, I suspect that they have turned away or washed even more qualified young women from our armed services.

 

Agreed that the modern use of the word is a pajoritive. It is also wrong. Steroypes are merely a short hand way of classification. They can be either right or wrong.

 

IE; The streotypical poor person is one without the necessary resources to provide a lifestyle consistent with at least the middle class. To impute stupidity, laziness, or willful actions, stigmatizes. Which is something very different than casual association.

[cursor]

Yet, this thread is entitled, "What Is Causing Men To Fall Behind Women?" Perhaps we can get back on track?

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

Yet, this thread is entitled, "What Is Causing Men To Fall Behind Women?" Perhaps we can get back on track?

My opinion...overprotective mothers, schools (present day) and the % of fewer fathers in the home. When possible boys need strong father figures in the home.

[cursor]

It can be merely a discriptor. If I were describe myself to someone whom knows nothing about me. One of the first things I would describe myself as is a male, I'm also 6'2", 250 LBS, and Caucasion. That puts me well outside the norm.

 

So, how exactly does your physical size, and your gender, and your body weight (since you didn't mention anything at all about your % body fat, the 250-lbs comment could be very serious negative, BTW [i'm nearly 61, a mere 180-lbs, and with a body fat level of about 9% ... but what the hell does this have to do with the topic?!]) ... set you apart? Still, how are men falling behind women, and why?

 

Again, perhaps we can get back on track.

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[thesometimesaint]

So, how exactly does your physical size, and your gender, and your body weight (since you didn't mention anything at all about your % body fat, the 250-lbs comment could be very serious negative, BTW [i'm nearly 61, a mere 180-lbs, and with a body fat level of about 9% ... but what the hell does this have to do with the topic?!]) ... set you apart? Still, how are men falling behind women, and why?

 

Again, perhaps we can get back on track.

 

See it is the false assumptions we make from the stereotype that gets us into trouble.

 

I agree back to the subject. I don't believe we can boiling down all the causes of men falling behind women in certain activities to just one. It is multidimensional.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

... but what the hell does this have to do with the topic?.

Come on, I see a lot of this on anti-sites, but please not here, earlier it was about porn and blaming the Church for thread question. Mods do a good job and are necessary, but we can make their jobs easier. Nuf-said, not trying to be preachy.

[Stone holm]

My opinion...overprotective mothers, schools (present day) and the % of fewer fathers in the home. When possible boys need strong father figures in the home.

 

As opposed to weak father figures?  And the reason for that is to countermand the over-protectiveness of mothers?

[Questing Beast]

"Dad, is, great! He gives, us, cake!" (When mom finds out, everybody else in the family is in trouble - remembering Bill Cosby's show....)

[Stone holm]

"Dad, is, great! He gives, us, cake!" (When mom finds out, everybody else in the family is in trouble - remembering Bill Cosby's show....)

 

Must be a weak father.  Strong father goosesteps around and presides doncha know.

[mfbukowski]

I haven't read one word of this thread, but I can tell you that I rather enjoy walking behind my wife.  I suppose that is sexist or something.  Oh well.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

I haven't read one word of this thread, but I can tell you that I rather enjoy walking behind my wife.  I suppose that is sexist or something.  Oh well.

I try to walk behind her (My wife) all the time. I get a better view. Just sayin'.