Role Of Women In Mormon Church.

[EllenMaksoud]

I had to laugh today as I was working at the Bishop's Warehouse. For some reason, most of the Men were gone, and we needed to move some bagged apples. I moved them with a hand truck. So then a pallet of apples we worked off had to be put back in the cooler, so I offered to move them with the lift truck. NOPE. They were short drivers for the delivery truck and I offered to do that, or take the training. I was raised on a farm, worked in industry for 32 years, and did all sorts of Tom Boy things when I was younger.

By then end of the day, I knew that there was no chance I would be allowed to do anything outside the defined role of a woman in the church. One of the other women sat me down and gave me a pep talk. "We like being treated like Queens, so just get used to it."

Russian women were deadlier than the men in WWII, but that does not matter at all today in the Mormon church where I live. Suppose I should just smile and enjoy it.

[rpn]

No you should not put up with it. And no you should not listen to the woman who suggested this was equivalent to being treated like a queen. You should speak to those in charge about how demeaning it is to be excluded because you are female, because for sure God never said women couldn't use lift trucks etc.

OTOH, It is quite possible that this has more to do with proven skills than maleness. Driving trucks requires special licensing, and operating hydraulics can be substantial safety risk. So maybe you object on the female grounds, and ask about the training all at the same time.

[EllenMaksoud]

No you should not put up with it. And no you should not listen to the woman who suggested this was equivalent to being treated like a queen. You should speak to those in charge about how demeaning it is to be excluded because you are female, because for sure God never said women couldn't use lift trucks etc.

OTOH, It is quite possible that this has more to do with proven skills than maleness. Driving trucks requires special licensing, and operating hydraulics can be substantial safety risk. So maybe you object on the female grounds, and ask about the training all at the same time.

Naw, I'm going to just forget it. You've never seen my resume. If we have some great emergency, I'll do as I wish. I was the youngest of 7 and the boys telling me what I could not do just made me resolved to do it anyhow. OTOH, being so self sufficient could have something to do with why I am not now married.

Edited August 7, 2013 by EllenMaksoud

[ERayR]

Naw, I'm going to just forget it. You've never seen my resume. If we have some great emergency, I'll do as I wish. I was the youngest of 7 and the boys telling me what I could not do just made me resolved to do it anyhow. OTOH, being so self sufficient could have something to do with why I am not now married.

You would have loved my grandmother. If something need fixed in her house she would get the tools and fix it. If something needed built she got the hammer, nails, saw and lumber and built it. She raised baby chickens by using brood hens and kept them safe from predators with a .22 caliber rifle she kept by the kitchen door. She could shoot wild fowl(sage grouse and pheasants) on the fly with that little rifle. Nobody told her what women's work was. There were some things she didn't do because she chose not too but never because someone told her she couldn't. All 5ft 4 inches and 100 pounds of her.

Edited August 7, 2013 by ERayR

[EllenMaksoud]

You would have loved my grandmother. If something need fixed in her house she would get the tools and fix it. If something needed built she got the hammer, nails, saw and lumber and built it. She raised baby chickens by using brood hens and kept them safe from predators with a .22 caliber rifle she kept by the kitchen door. She could shoot wild fowl(sage grouse and pheasants) on the fly with that little rifle. Nobody told her what women's work was. There were some things she didn't do because she chose not too but never because someone told her she couldn't. All 5ft 4 inches and 100 pounds of her.

Grand Mother. That would have made her born around the turn of the 19-20th century. Life was much different then. She must have been fascinating.

I'm probably nothing like your Grand Mother, sadly.

[bluebell]

I wouldn't be surprised if you not being allowed to use the lift truck had less to do with you being a woman and more do to with you not being authorized to use that kind of equipment. In my experience, organizations are VERY strict about what volunteers can and cannot do, because of liability issues.

However, it could be some form of sexism, though a weird one.

[ERayR]

Grand Mother. That would have made her born around the turn of the 19-20th century. Life was much different then. She must have been fascinating.

I'm probably nothing like your Grand Mother, sadly.

Born in 1900 in a family of 6 girls 5 boys. Mother Dutch/Danish mother German father. Father was a carpenter and the girls helped with carpentry and farm jobs She was indeed a no nonsense woman.

[MorningStar]

In our state you have to have a license to operate a forklift and that sort of thing, so that might apply.

[thesometimesaint]

I had to laugh today as I was working at the Bishop's Warehouse. For some reason, most of the Men were gone, and we needed to move some bagged apples. I moved them with a hand truck. So then a pallet of apples we worked off had to be put back in the cooler, so I offered to move them with the lift truck. NOPE. They were short drivers for the delivery truck and I offered to do that, or take the training. I was raised on a farm, worked in industry for 32 years, and did all sorts of Tom Boy things when I was younger.

By then end of the day, I knew that there was no chance I would be allowed to do anything outside the defined role of a woman in the church. One of the other women sat me down and gave me a pep talk. "We like being treated like Queens, so just get used to it."

Russian women were deadlier than the men in WWII, but that does not matter at all today in the Mormon church where I live. Suppose I should just smile and enjoy it.

Being put on a pedestal becomes a problem pretty quickly. But pick your battles wisely. When operating any heavy equipement have all the necessary training and licenses before you do operate them.

[EllenMaksoud]

Being put on a pedestal becomes a problem pretty quickly. But pick your battles wisely. When operating any heavy equipement have all the necessary training and licenses before you do operate them.

This is one struggle that I have given in on. I know what I am trained to do, and at my age, that some men can not fit it into their narrow definition of what a woman can do ... what ever. The thing that is mildly irritating is that these guys do not even test me. In WWII, women ran the country while men were off doing war. We should dumb down for them? OK, fine. What got the women across the plains when the men were off doing Mormon calvary? What got the women by when men were in England and everywhere else as missionaries? I suppose when I get married again, I will have to adapt to supporting some man's ego again.

[MorningStar]

But are you licensed to operate the equipment? There's a difference between trained and licensed. My husband drove trucks in the military that are considered commercial trucks in the civilian world, but he's not licensed to drive them as a civilian. It's annoying, but he would have to go get certified even though he already knows how to drive them properly.

[Calm]

In our state you have to have a license to operate a forklift and that sort of thing, so that might apply.

Here is a link to find out:

http://forklifttrainingzone.com/category/forklift-training-in-your-state

[The Nehor]

Women are second-class citizens in the church just like gays, unmarried people, intellectuals, illegal immigrants, and elves.

[ksfisher]

My work requires anyone using and equipment to take and pass a test they administer, regardless of prior certification. Volunteers (I work at a food bank) are never allowed to use any sort of powered equipment; regardless of sex, ability, experience, prior training, etc. The liability issures are just too great.

I've also worked for the church. Tasks assigned to volunteers are also limited compared to the duties of full time staff. Again, this has to do with liability, not ability.

[Calm]

Women are second-class citizens in the church just like gays, unmarried people, intellectuals, illegal immigrants, and elves.

Correction: elves are not the second class minority they claim to be, they are just way too good with propaganda and playing the victim. It is the dwarves that have it hard.

[Garden Girl]

In WWII, women ran the country while men were off doing war. .

I wouldn't say women ran the country... but they did shoulder much of the burden in factories, etc etc.

My mom was a "Rosie the Riverter" and helped assemble airplanes at Daggett on the high desert near Barstow, CA. She'd come home on weekends. My sis and I stayed with an older couple who were friends. She was divorced and trying to raise her two little girls...

GG

[EllenMaksoud]

I wouldn't say women ran the country... but they did shoulder much of the burden in factories, etc etc.

My mom was a "Rosie the Riverter" and helped assemble airplanes at Daggett on the high desert near Barstow, CA. She'd come home on weekends. My sis and I stayed with an older couple who were friends. She was divorced and trying to raise her two little girls...

GG

It was my error to say that women "ran" the country. If we had there probably would not have been a war. Mom worked at aircraft somewhere in the San Diego area.

[The Nehor]

It was my error to say that women "ran" the country. If we had there probably would not have been a war. Mom worked at aircraft somewhere in the San Diego area.

I have to admit. I am curious as to how they would have avoided it.

[thesometimesaint]

This is one struggle that I have given in on. I know what I am trained to do, and at my age, that some men can not fit it into their narrow definition of what a woman can do ... what ever. The thing that is mildly irritating is that these guys do not even test me. In WWII, women ran the country while men were off doing war. We should dumb down for them? OK, fine. What got the women across the plains when the men were off doing Mormon calvary? What got the women by when men were in England and everywhere else as missionaries? I suppose when I get married again, I will have to adapt to supporting some man's ego again.

Being disabled I am forever grateful for my wife stepping up and providing for me and our family. I don't know what would have become of us if she hadn't.

Husbands and wives are to support each other's ego. This old world is hard, spiritually, physically, and emotionally, on both sexes. Don't settle for anything less than a husband who adores, and charishes you from the bottom of his heart. Whom puts you and your marriage before his own concerns.

[Tacenda]

Being disabled I am forever grateful for my wife stepping up and providing for me and our family. I don't know what would have become of us if she hadn't.

Husbands and wives are to support each other's ego. This old world is hard, spiritually, physically, and emotionally, on both sexes. Don't settle for anything less than a husband who adores, and charishes you from the bottom of his heart. Whom puts you and your marriage before his own concerns.

My mom helped my grandparents on the farm when her three brothers went off to war. She did all that they did before her and then when my dad had to go on disability (from a broken back) she went to work full time and continued for many years until she retired. My dad's ego was on the line when he had to quit work, it was heartbreaking to see him so depressed, but he came out of it eventually. I still remember the table he rigged up so that mom could give him back massages, he was in so much pain. But that is what kind of mom I had. And my dad, despite his pain, did all he could to get his family together, whether little boat/camping trips or road trip, breakfast at a restaurant, didn't matter, only staying close as family mattered. I'm hoping people like this, you too, aren't a dying breed.