Thank You, Brother Daniel Peterson, For Posting This Update On Elizabeth Smart And The Law Of Chastity

[Bikeemikey]

Is there a demand for any recycled food? And that is labeled that way, that is?

There is a market for food waste, I am not sure there is anything in the waste industry called recycled food.

[cinepro]

There is a market for food waste, I am not sure there is anything in the waste industry called recycled food.

Instead of telling our youth that unchaste behavior will make them like half-eaten donuts, we should tell them they'll be more like the day-olds: placed on a rack at the back of the store and marked down, but still entirely suitable to be used as foodstuffs by those who don't want the front-counter items.

But through the atonement, they can become fresh-baked goods once again, and worth full-price.

Edited May 15, 2013 by cinepro

[Scott Lloyd]

Instead of telling our youth that unchaste behavior will make them like half-eaten donuts, we should tell them they'll be more like the day-olds: placed on a rack at the back of the store and marked down, but still entirely suitable to be used as foodstuffs by those who don't want the front-counter items.

But through the atonement, they can become fresh-baked goods once again, and worth full-price.

Even this one fails on the basis for which the others are criticized. Goods, once they are old, cannot be fresh-baked again, just as gum cannot become unchewed.

[Bikeemikey]

Instead of telling our youth that unchaste behavior will make them like half-eaten donuts, we should tell them they'll be more like the day-olds: placed on a rack at the back of the store and marked down, but still entirely suitable to be used as foodstuffs by those who don't want the front-counter items.

But through the atonement, they can become fresh-baked goods once again, and worth full-price.

Perhaps it should be more like par-baked:

If you violate chastity you freeze your development and you will need to find a partner loving enough to warm you up again to reach your full potential - the partner being christ and warming the atonement :-)

If you stay true to principles of chastity you wont have to spend that time frozen in the freezer waiting for someone to finish cooking you?

[cinepro]

Even this one fails on the basis for which the others are criticized. Goods, once they are old, cannot be fresh-baked again, just as gum cannot become unchewed.

You're right.

How about if the unchaste are like stale bread. But through the atonement, they can become croutons.

They are made whole, not as fresh baked bread, but as tasty salad toppings?

"Though your sins be as stale bread, they can be tasty as turkey stuffing"

Edited May 15, 2013 by cinepro

[Bikeemikey]

You're right.

How about if the unchaste are like stale bread. But through the atonement, they can become croutons.

They are made whole, not as fresh baked bread, but as tasty salad toppings?

"Though your sins be as stale bread, they can be tasty as turkey stuffing"

I like that as much as my par-bake idea.

[Scott Lloyd]

I like that as much as my par-bake idea.

Yes, one is about as good as the other.

We may have to admit, at long last, that analogies are too problematic, bearing too much potential for misunderstanding, to be useful in teaching the law of chastity or repentance.

Edited May 15, 2013 by Scott Lloyd

[Bikeemikey]

Yes, one is about as good as the other.

We may have to admit, at long last, that analogies are to problematic, bearing too much potential for misunderstanding, to be useful in teaching the law of chastity or repentance.

Makes you admire Jesus' use of analogy all the more.

[Darren10]

I do not believe that God would want any of his daughters being told they are like chewed up gum or a licked cupcake or whatever).

Doesn't God call them "whores"?

It make me feel Brooks was for the most part using her, not listening and learning from her as we all should be doing. Like she had received an article with a link with a postit note attached saying "Hey, this looks good, what do you think we can make of it?" instead of something like "This woman has something to say, let's make sure it gets out there".

I have the same sentiment as you.

[Bikeemikey]

Doesn't God call them "whores"?

I have the same sentiment as you.

Nope Gods prophets called them whores, he may or may not have said that.

[Senator]

Yes, one is about as good as the other.

We may have to admit, at long last, that analogies are to problematic, bearing too much potential for misunderstanding, to be useful in teaching the law of chastity or repentance.

That's about the best conclusion I've heard yet! I was going to offer that perhaps we simply teach the law of chastity, as is done in the temple, then, if or when someone fails at it, we simply remind them of the actual story (not parable) of the woman caught in adultery, and her encounter with the savior.

[Scott Lloyd]

Nope Gods prophets called them whores, he may or may not have said that.

As I ponder it, I can't think of a time when either God or His prophets applied that term to women. The only application that occurs to me is to Babylon or the church of the devil.

[Darren10]

That's why it's still a terrible analogy.

As calmoriah pointed out, even if you tell someone that God has made this previously chewed gum whole, they're still not going to want it.

That's only one analogy in addition to the analogy provided with the 'chewing gum'. Thew anaogy in and of iteself is fine when taught in context of the Atonement whch one will probably not get in school.

At this point I think it prudent to point out that the analogy in and of itself can and most likely will be negative. That a proper analogy must include a means of repentence and redemption. When teaching Gospel Doctrine, whenever strong words of condemnatin is presented I alsways include the fact that Jesus atoned for all our sins and imperfections. I do that because in my view, the goepel of Jesus Christ is not about "you must od this or be damned", but rather, "here's the way to happines, you're nvited to follow it. And if you stumble, embrace the Atonement for redemption."

Despite the fact that each of us have cheapened ourselves, the Atonement of Jesus Christ is available ot us all. That is the true message of the gospel. It's the "good tidings of great joy" that we share.

If you showed someone a fresh piece of gum and told them it had been previously chewed and stuck to the floor of a movie theater, but through an amazing process it has been restored to its original form of flavor and sanitation, people still aren't going to want to chew it. There is no demand for recycled gum.

You can also drink filtered urin but I still prefer water from WalMart. In other words, that analogy doesn't cut it for me. Now, if the only way to drink is my ("disgusting") scenario than that changes things, no? Likewise, the only way *any of us* can be redeemed and saved is through Christ. Therefore He *must* be included in the 'chewing gum' analogy.

But on the other hand, I will also say what some people don't want to say, and that is that having pre-marital sex (voluntary or involuntary) can introduce lasting emotional and physical effects that can stay with a person for the rest of their life, even after repentance. So while "chewed gum" is the wrong analogy (they're not worthless), they will never be the same as they were before.

To the contrary, that strengthens the 'chewing gum' analogy. Our choices may have a lasting impact. We're told that constantly in General Conference yet the priesthood leaders *always* give hope through Christ.

[Darren10]

Nope Gods prophets called them whores, he may or may not have said that.

Like this?

They shall not take a wife that is a ^awhore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.

(Leviticus 21:7)

There shall be no ^awhore of the daughters of Israel, nor ^ba sodomite of the sons of Israel.

(Deuteronomy 23:17)

And then:

And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall ^asin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be ^blifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and ^cmurders, and ^dpriestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall ^ereject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

(3 Nephi 16:10)

There doesn't seem to be too much of a disconnect between God and His prophets.

[Darren10]

I have to admit I wrote it while stoned...

Call the Executive Secretary, time to set an appointment.

[Senator]

Like this?

(Leviticus 21:7)

(Deuteronomy 23:17)

And then:

(3 Nephi 16:10)

There doesn't seem to be too much of a disconnect between God and His prophets.

By golly there it is! If it says it in the scriptures, then by all means, lets follow suit.

[Scott Lloyd]

Makes you admire Jesus' use of analogy all the more.

Now that you mention it, we probably would be hard-pressed to improve on the Savior's imagery: a garment washed clean or a piece of white fabric with every trace of scarlet stain or dye removed.

[cinepro]

There doesn't seem to be too much of a disconnect between God and His prophets.

How about God and the King James Bible translation committee? Loose translation, or tight?

Edited May 15, 2013 by cinepro

[Darren10]

By golly there it is! If it says it in the scriptures, then by all means, lets follow suit.

That's my standard.

[Darren10]

How about God and the King James Bible translation committee? Loose translation, or tight?

Depends on the context or portion you're referring to.

What about the Book of Mormon?

[Senator]

That's my standard.

That's scary!

[Darren10]

That's scary!

Following the scriptures?

[Senator]

Following the scriptures?

Indiscriminately? Yes.

[Darren10]

Indiscriminately? Yes.

Well than let's use some discrimination, shall we?

[Calm]

Makes you admire Jesus' use of analogy all the more.

Perhaps another good reason to use his analogy of clothing or linens that are dirty or red with sin being washed cleaned by the atonement.

add-on: I see that Scott came to the same conclusion...

Edited May 16, 2013 by calmoriah