Campaign Push Poll Calls Claim Mormons Don'T Believe In Jesus Christ

[KevinG]

Have any of our Catholic friends heard this one?

http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=47821&wf=rsscol

"Well, I am a practicing Catholic, and I have no problem supporting Obama. How can you support a Mormon who does not believe in Jesus Christ...."

[bluebell]

Ignorance knows no religious boundaries.

[LDSGuy]

I just read about this. Truly despicable!

[BCSpace]

These Obama "push calls" not only tell the big lie about Obama but also play the "Mormon card," offering more evidence of Obama's disrespect for people of faith.

Well stated.

[Darren10]

Here's a source of good reply material for any Catholics who receive this call (bold mine):

A respect for the diverse beliefs and unique contributions of all the world’s faiths is taught and emphasized in Mormonism. Echoing this sentiment, Bishop Wester said in a Deseret News report of the event that “learning about each other — how we are different, and how we are alike — is an important step that must be taken before the marathon of interfaith relations can be run.”

Bishop Wester also explained the commonalities of Mormon and Catholic belief, including “the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the centrality of Jesus Christ” and “adherence to the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes.”

http://www.mormonnew...ormon-institute

[Lightbearer]

Does this surprise anyone? Obama will stop at nothing to get re-elected. It is power and glory and wealth these people desire and they do not care who or what they destroy to achieve their ends. Expect more campaign "dirty tricks" of greater magnitude than ever before in the history of Presidential elections. God help us all if he goes in for four more long years... it will make the great depression of the 1930's look like prosperity. Perhaps the Mayan end of the world prediction for 2012 is true after all!

[MiserereNobis]

I can understand the offensive issue for the LDS is that Obama is saying you are not Christian, but for Catholics the offensive issue is that the Obama campaign is saying he is not pro-abortion when he most assuredly is. The HHS mandate was a direct attack on the religious freedom of the Catholic Church and her institutions and it is despicable that it would be spun otherwise.

By the way, the "nuns on the bus" are rather heterodox and indicative of baby-boomer Catholicism (which gave us felt banners and cheesy folk music at Mass *sigh*), not traditional orthodox Catholicism. One only has to look at the age of the so-called nuns to see that this movement won't be around much longer.

[RobertAC]

Sorry, this is not a news story. A mother is reporting what she heard from some unknown person. She does not like Obama. I get that. But I do not believe that the DNC is telling people that LDS members do not believe in Jesus or God. This would be a much bigger story if that was the policy.

Frankly, I do not understand the demonizing of Barack Obama on abortion. The fact that many Democractic and Republican politicians have been "pro choice." The inclusion of a "pro choice" position in Obamacare should not be a surprise to anyone. Even Romneycare covers abortions. Right or wrong, it is part of the status quo.

[KevinG]

Sorry, this is not a news story. A mother is reporting what she heard from some unknown person.

She documented the number and time of the call. There are multiple reports of this approach to calling Catholics.

This is why I asked if any of our Catholic posters here had received any calls like this.

I've had my own dirty trick push poll calls in local and national elections. Why do you think this isn't news?

[The Nehor]

I've had my own dirty trick push poll calls in local and national elections. Why do you think this isn't news?

When did the news become the rambling opinions of the ignorant?

[RobertAC]

She documented the number and time of the call. There are multiple reports of this approach to calling Catholics.

This is why I asked if any of our Catholic posters here had received any calls like this.

I've had my own dirty trick push poll calls in local and national elections. Why do you think this isn't news?

It's not news because it is not reliable. But even assuming Joy Allen reported the event correctly, there is no backup information to coroborate that the Obama campaign is telling its supporters to make these misstatements. One phone caller making misstatements in a national campaign is not news.

[cdowis]

I seem to remember that the position of the Catholic church is that the LDS church is not Christian, and, unlike other churches, it is necessary to baptize any exLDS who converts to Catholism.

In sum, the Baptism of the Catholic Church

and that of the Latter-day Saints differ

essentially both for what concerns faith in the

Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and, for

what concerns the relationship to Christ who

instituted Christian Baptism. For these reasons,

the Catholic Church considers Mormon baptism

invalid; i.e., it does not consider true Baptism

the rite given that name by the Church of

Latter-Day Saints.

snip

On June 5, 2001, the Congregation for the

Doctrine of Faith answered a dubium (question)

on the validity of Mormon baptism. The

question posed was: Whether the baptism

conferred by the community, “The Church of

Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” called

“Mormons” in the vernacular, is valid. The

Response was: Negative (AAS 93 [2001] p.

476).

That formal doctrinal response was

published, as is, in the Acta without further

explanation.

However, two excellent commentaries, one

doctrinal by L. Ladaria, S.J., and, the other

canonical by U. Navarette, S.J. were published

immediately in L’Osservatore Romano

(#31/1704) (August 1, 2001) pp. 4-6. The

article by Fr. Ladaria on doctrine is so well

constructed and explanatory that I could not

improve on it and thus I simply cite his major

points.

This is unusual because doctrinal errors

usually do not invalidate baptism. From the

earliest times, an African Synod in 256 A.D.

determined that those baptized by heretics could

be received into the Catholic Church without

rebaptism. The same was true with St.

Augustine’s great struggle with the Donatists;

Augustine taught that the validity of the

sacrament depends neither on the personal

sanctity of the minister nor on his belonging to

the Church.

(emphasis mine)

http://www.pjpiisoe.org/pamphletsA4/064A4.pdf

So, clearly we are not even heretics, which puts us beyond the pale of Christianity.

[Storm Rider]

Sorry, this is not a news story. A mother is reporting what she heard from some unknown person. She does not like Obama. I get that. But I do not believe that the DNC is telling people that LDS members do not believe in Jesus or God. This would be a much bigger story if that was the policy.

Frankly, I do not understand the demonizing of Barack Obama on abortion. The fact that many Democractic and Republican politicians have been "pro choice." The inclusion of a "pro choice" position in Obamacare should not be a surprise to anyone. Even Romneycare covers abortions. Right or wrong, it is part of the status quo.

You are correct that some vote for abortion, the issue in this article is that a politician is blatantly lying about their own beliefs. Catholic Online is not the run-of-the-mill, online personal blog. This is one of the, if not the, largest source of online Catholic material available. It does not just create stories; it is not in the business of sensationalist stories. What is evident is that some Obama supporters have the money and have received the direction and approval to spend that money in a deceitful manner. It would be interesting to see how pervasive this method is and how many people have been targeted.

[Storm Rider]

I seem to remember that the position of the Catholic church is that the LDS church is not Christian, and, unlike other churches, it is necessary to baptize any exLDS who converts to Catholism.

(emphasis mine)

http://www.pjpiisoe....etsA4/064A4.pdf

So, clearly we are not even heretics, which puts us beyond the pale of Christianity.

The article is in a Catholic website. Their concern is not that Obama's compaign is saying LDS don't believe in Jesus Christ, it is that he is lying about his support of abortion, the work of Planned Parenthood, etc.

[MiserereNobis]

So, clearly we are not even heretics, which puts us beyond the pale of Christianity.

Well, since you're not even heretics, at least you don't have to worry about us burning you at the stake

[MiserereNobis]

The article is in a Catholic website. Their concern is not that Obama's compaign is saying LDS don't believe in Jesus Christ, it is that he is lying about his support of abortion, the work of Planned Parenthood, etc.

Exactly.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

Have any of our Catholic friends heard this one?

http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=47821&wf=rsscol

"Well, I am a practicing Catholic, and I have no problem supporting Obama. How can you support a Mormon who does not believe in Jesus Christ...."

This is so sad...I believe in Christ, so I am sure Mitt does. Because of the requirements of our faith he could the most "Churched" President ever!

[theplains]

I seem to remember that the position of the Catholic church is that the LDS church is not Christian, and, unlike other churches, it is necessary to baptize any exLDS who converts to Catholism.

I heard this from a Mormon friend of mine - since Catholics and Protestants in their respective churches are baptized

by someone without proper priesthood authority, they must all be re-baptized if they convert to the LDS Church.

Regards,

Jim

[Calm]

True, but baptism is not a requirement to be viewed as a Christian among lds nor does some one or an organization have to have a valid priesthood to be viewed as Christian.

[DH]

Does this surprise anyone? Obama will stop at nothing to get re-elected. It is power and glory and wealth these people desire and they do not care who or what they destroy to achieve their ends. Expect more campaign "dirty tricks" of greater magnitude than ever before in the history of Presidential elections. God help us all if he goes in for four more long years... it will make the great depression of the 1930's look like prosperity. Perhaps the Mayan end of the world prediction for 2012 is true after all!

Um, I'm not a moderator, but may I remind you of the rules for political discussions? http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/57280-political-articles-and-discussion-during-this-campaign/

[DH]

What those Obama supporters did was just plain wrong. Having said that, there are crazies in every political campaign. I do not believe that Obama himself, or the party leadership, encourages this type of behavior any more than I believe the Romney campaign encourages voter fraud.

In any case, it shouldn't matter whether someone believes in Christ when running for public office. Too bad there are still voters who are that tribal.

[Ares]

Um, I'm not a moderator, but may I remind you of the rules for political discussions? http://www.mormondia...-this-campaign/

Good reminder...