cinepro Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Has there ever been anything said or done in a General Conference Priesthood Session that was not subsequently published in the public record of that session?
Duncan Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Has there ever been anything said or done in a General Conference Priesthood Session that was not subsequently published in the public record of that session?no idea but it's all online nowhttp://www.lds.org/general-conference/sessions/2012/04?lang=eng
Stargazer Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 My theory is that each one gets read and sorted into three categories- personal answer, secretary to answer, back to the bishop.I got a couple of those "back to the bishop" ones in my time. It's not easy to tell someone that their letter came back because people who write them tend to be a little "off" in my opinion, in the first place.So I think they keep telling people they won't respond just so they have an excuse to kick it back to the bishop so that the writers don't feel bad that their letter was too wacky.I dunno. Just a thought.I mean there could be valuable information in there- that the bishop and SP are in cahoots to steal money etc- who knows? They should get read imo.I once wrote a letter to Elder Oaks and got it sent back to my Stake President, who asked my bishop to call me in for a conference. Tailfeathers singed? No. My bishop was pumped that I had actually got a response, and said basically I know who you are and how strong your testimony is, so we're all good. Just don't write any more letters, OK?I was a little embarrassed, actually. I regretted mailing it almost the instant I let the envelope slip into the mailbox. To this day I still think I was right about the issue I was raising, but I let my "eloquence" override my good sense (jeeze, how often does that happen?). It did no good whatsoever, especially in the way I worded it.On the bright side, perhaps it got a notation put into my "secret" file (is there such a thing?) and as a result I will never be called as a bishop! 1
mfbukowski Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 On the bright side, perhaps it got a notation put into my "secret" file (is there such a thing?) and as a result I will never be called as a bishop!I doubt that!
mfbukowski Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Has there ever been anything said or done in a General Conference Priesthood Session that was not subsequently published in the public record of that session?If a tree falls and no one hears it.....
Messenger Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Perhaps the real question should be why there are those out there who have a problem with men meeting together. Now, there are probably not that many, but I wonder sometimes why there are those that seem to always beat up on the priesthood for whatever they do, unless they are controlling what the priesthood does. Ok, that may be a bit strong, even for me. But, being equally yoked is one thing, but being a supremacist is another. Not honoring the priesthood does have serious ramifications in one's life, both to the one who holds it, and the ones that do not. Men should be equally yoked with their wives, and not competing with each other. The only race is with oneself, to better him or herself. So, why all the fuss about men meeting together? Really? Just let it go.... Don't worry, be happy!
bluebell Posted April 3, 2012 Author Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) Perhaps the real question should be why there are those out there who have a problem with men meeting together.Is there anyone out there who has such a problem? They certainly haven't been on this thread.I started the thread and asked the question because my husband wanted me too. He would rather be able to stay home and watch the Priesthood session than have to get dressed up and drive to the stake center and was wondering if there was any doctrinal reason that the women are allowed to do that and the men aren't.As far as i can tell, there really is no 'fuss' (as far as being upset that men meet together) to let go of. Edited April 3, 2012 by bluebell
Nofear Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 When I told my wife about priesthood session and how one of the general themes was "do your duty" she replied that she sometimes wished that such frank forwardness would attend relief society as well as many sisters in the Church aren't doing their duty. But then surmised that if such were to happen, while some sisters would repent and do their duty, many sisters already working hard would get a guilt complex and start to work harder in excess of their strength. Men on the other hand, some repent and start doing their duty while those already doing their duty shrug and say, "ok" and mostly keep doing what they are doing.
blueadept Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) Is there anyone out there who has such a problem? They certainly haven't been on this thread.As a non-member male, I found it interesting that I was invited to go with my LDS uncle and cousin to the Priesthood meeting during GC and my LDS wife, of course, was not. While I always understood, it's still just weird. This is in the same category as the issue with HTs. They were there more to support me (the non-member husband) than my LDS wife. While I understood, it was still weird. I'm glad I don't need to deal with that issue any more. Edited April 3, 2012 by blueadept
wenglund Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 As a non-member male, I found it interesting that I was invited to go with my LDS uncle and cousin to the Priesthood meeting during GC and my LDS wife, of course, was not. While I always understood, it's still just weird. This is in the same category as the issue with HTs. They were there more to support me (the non-member husband) than my LDS wife. While I understood, it was still weird. I'm glad I don't need to deal with that issue any more.Speaking of "weird", while growing up my brothers and I were invited to play baseball in the cities Little League program, and my sisters were not. But, then again, I wasn't invited to attend Girl Scouts. Also, during the fifth and sixth grades, the girls were invited to attend a special assembly, to which the boys were prohibited. Very weird--though I didn't mind the extra recess.Perhaps "weird" things happen for good reason.Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Scott Lloyd Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 As a non-member male, I found it interesting that I was invited to go with my LDS uncle and cousin to the Priesthood meeting during GC and my LDS wife, of course, was not. While I always understood, it's still just weird. This is in the same category as the issue with HTs. They were there more to support me (the non-member husband) than my LDS wife. While I understood, it was still weird. I'm glad I don't need to deal with that issue any more.I'm wondering if the home teachers were simply trying to give due deference to your position as head of the household.
Scott Lloyd Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 When I told my wife about priesthood session and how one of the general themes was "do your duty" she replied that she sometimes wished that such frank forwardness would attend relief society as well as many sisters in the Church aren't doing their duty. But then surmised that if such were to happen, while some sisters would repent and do their duty, many sisters already working hard would get a guilt complex and start to work harder in excess of their strength. Men on the other hand, some repent and start doing their duty while those already doing their duty shrug and say, "ok" and mostly keep doing what they are doing. I dread Father's Day because it puts me in a state of depression, knowing that I don't measure up to the ideal of fatherhood that is presented on that day.
blueadept Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) I'm wondering if the home teachers were simply trying to give due deference to your position as head of the household.That's the root of it as head of household which they are there to support with the inference I would pass the info onto our mixed-faith family. For myself, the HT issue strained the dynamics of the family which of course was not the intention of the HTs. A no-win scenario unfortunately. At least I ALWAYS got to lead the prayer.....my choice. Edited April 3, 2012 by blueadept
Scott Lloyd Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 That's the root of it as head of household which they are there to support with the inference I would pass the info onto our mixed-faith family.For myself, the HT issue strained the dynamics of the family which of course was not the intention of the HTs. A no-win scenario unfortunately.Not the least of which for the home teachers themselves, apparently. You might have resented it even more if they had treated you as a fly to be shooed away while they were there to talk to your wife. I'm certain some people would react that way.
Nofear Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I dread Father's Day because it puts me in a state of depression, knowing that I don't measure up to the ideal of fatherhood that is presented on that day. More fodder for our guilt trips: Courageous.
blueadept Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Not the least of which for the home teachers themselves, apparently. You might have resented it even more if they had treated you as a fly to be shooed away while they were there to talk to your wife. I'm certain some people would react that way.I tried politely bowing out of being involved, my wife and the HTs seemed to make me feel guilty for it since they were there for the 'home'. A simple no-win scenario that I learned to tolerate and take charge as needed.
KevinG Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I have observed in my lifetime that when I gather with a group of LDS men our conversations invariably turn to family, children, wives and funny stories about Scouting trips. This is also true with gatherings of other men of faith (Catholic, Baptist...)When I have had occasion to gather with men from other groups the conversation has often turned to degrading jokes about women, complaints about family and stories about consumption of alcohol.
KevinG Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Men - don't be guilty of what our sisters often do... comparing themselves to the best in all other sisters. If you compare your fathering to the dad in the ward who had weekly interviews and daddy daughter dates, then compare yourself with the Scouting dad who goes to all events and runs a high adventure, then compare yourself to the ward clerk who is in the office every Sunday, then compare yourself to the perfect home teacher, then compare yourself to the Bishop who is always there for the ward... you will put yourself into misery.Just be the best you- your kids and the ward will love you for it. 2
Scott Lloyd Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 More fodder for our guilt trips: Courageous.Our family borrowed and watched that DVD the other day. We loved it.
Scott Lloyd Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) Men - don't be guilty of what our sisters often do... comparing themselves to the best in all other sisters. If you compare your fathering to the dad in the ward who had weekly interviews and daddy daughter dates, then compare yourself with the Scouting dad who goes to all events and runs a high adventure, then compare yourself to the ward clerk who is in the office every Sunday, then compare yourself to the perfect home teacher, then compare yourself to the Bishop who is always there for the ward... you will put yourself into misery.Just be the best you- your kids and the ward will love you for it.I hope you noticed the tongue-in-cheek emoticon at the end of my Father's Day comment. I was being facetious, considering the countless times I've heard women say they dread Mother's Day.It was a comment about gender differences. Edited April 3, 2012 by Scott Lloyd
KevinG Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I hope you noticed the tongue-in-cheek emoticon at the end of my Father's Day comment.Yes but why pass up an opportunity to give a free sermon?
Scott Lloyd Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I tried politely bowing out of being involved, my wife and the HTs seemed to make me feel guilty for it since they were there for the 'home'. A simple no-win scenario that I learned to tolerate and take charge as needed.You can't reasonably expect Mormons not to be Mormons, and reverence for the family unit is vital to our doctrine.
Scott Lloyd Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Yes but why pass up an opportunity to give a free sermon? Indeed.
Messenger Posted April 4, 2012 Posted April 4, 2012 Is there anyone out there who has such a problem? They certainly haven't been on this thread.I started the thread and asked the question because my husband wanted me too. He would rather be able to stay home and watch the Priesthood session than have to get dressed up and drive to the stake center and was wondering if there was any doctrinal reason that the women are allowed to do that and the men aren't.As far as i can tell, there really is no 'fuss' (as far as being upset that men meet together) to let go of. Bluebell,I don't believe I quoted you in my post.
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