A Protestant's perspective on why we won't find common ground with LDS

[Brad]

It sounded like you were saying that, thanks for clarifing your position.

It sounds to me that you are sayign then that the LDS "live in sin". How are the LDS living in sin?

Do you believe that the LDS people are people whoe "professes Jesus as Lord, and yet it is obvious they are still a slave to sin"? What does it mean to be a slave to sin?

BTW I think we have muc that is in common, more than you would think.

No, I wouldn't say that that is the point I am trying to make. LDS people certainly are some of the most morally pure people anyone will ever meet. The point I'm trying to make is that it is impossible to be born again, have your old man killed by Jesus, and revert back to that dead man. This is why I believe you can't lose your salvation (look at John 10:26-29 again to see what I mean).

Many will bring up Judas, but I would like to bring up the verse, "Not everyone who says unto me, 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but He who does the will of my Father in Heaven will enter. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord,' Have we not prophesied in thy name, and cast out demons, and done for thee many wonderful works? And I will say unto them, 'Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity!" (Matt. 7:21-23)

In this situation, Judas called Jesus "Lord", except he denied him by his works (Titus 1:. They're walk doesn't match their talk. This isn't to say that works are what justifies us before Almighty God. Our works are as filthy rags (Isaiah). We are justified by our faith (confidence in Jesus Christ to saved us from our sin and make us a new creature).

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

No, I wouldn't say that that is the point I am trying to make. LDS people certainly are some of the most morally pure people anyone will ever meet. The point I'm trying to make is that it is impossible to be born again, have your old man killed by Jesus, and revert back to that dead man. This is why I believe you can't lose your salvation (look at John 10:26-29 again to see what I mean).

Many will bring up Judas, but I would like to bring up the verse, "Not everyone who says unto me, 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but He who does the will of my Father in Heaven will enter. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord,' Have we not prophesied in thy name, and cast out demons, and done for thee many wonderful works? And I will say unto them, 'Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity!" (Matt. 7:21-23)

In this situation, Judas called Jesus "Lord", except he denied him by his works (Titus 1:. They're walk doesn't match their talk. This isn't to say that works are what justifies us before Almighty God. Our works are as filthy rags (Isaiah). We are justified by our faith (confidence in Jesus Christ to saved us from our sin and make us a new creature).

Cool, thanks. I updated my last post and it contains a lot more info. I will wait until you repsond.

You have made some very interesting points here.

[Brad]

Also I would like to bring up Romans 4:5: "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Also I would like to bring up Romans 4:5: "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

Works by themsleve do not save. How ever faith with out works is dead.

It would almost seem that the bible is contradicting it's self.

[Thunderfire]

I, for one, absolutely will not discuss the mysteries of the kingdom on a message board.

I would have appreciated some specific examples of what you regard as wrong on this thread. Otherwise, it might seem that you're simply opposed to contradicting, or arguing with, a critic. I hope that's not the case. If it is, though, it would be a little bit like showing up at Dodger Stadium and then objecting that they're playing baseball out on the field, rather than basketball.

Hello Dr. Peterson,

I acknowledge and appreciate everything you have written. I also thank you for those areas we are in which you acknowledge our agreement. In this response, I will add more for consideration.

It is true that some of the mysteries of the kingdom are not to be revealed. In a vision I had with the Lord I was told to NEVER repeat what had been conveyed. So I too can appreciate that certain mysteries are not to be discussed. Yet as I say that, I also believe that many mysteries revealed to us MUST be shared so that others will come to an understanding of the fullness of the gospel.

As example, many Protestants hold fast to a Rapture theology even thought Jesus offered something else in Matthew (24:37-39) regarding the "days of Noah". Then too, most Protestants have no clue regarding the "gathering of the House of Israel" and how the Gentiles will be numbered in when the come to a "knowledge" of this great covenant. For that matter, I believe many are clueless to the promises made in the Lord's "New Covenant"!

Regarding some examples of where I thought this thread went wrong:

1) We could see upfront the intent of the original post. Some chose to take offense and responded accordingly. This is the hard part regarding the humility the Lord showed me. If I am filled with humility, I become incapable of taking offense, choosing instead to give good for bad. In Zechariah (4:6) the Lord says that not by power or by might, but by my spirit shall he work. If we are to do the works Jesus did leading to greater we too must move in all ways by his spirit (which is based in love).

2) Yes, it is true that the first apostles became combative at times with detractors. Or rather, it may appear to be combative because we only have the words on paper and we were not there to actually "feel" the spirit they moved in or heard the actual words fall from their lips. Then too, if we pattern our ministry after them we will become prone to the same errors. I believe we must look to the Lord first as our example to follow in all things and not to man as our example.

3) We must be better than those in the world. We are called to be a peculiar people. It is much easier to be like those who seek to harm others for what they believe, much more difficult always giving good for bad. Yet I will agree, this type of format is much more difficult because we do not have the benefit of looking the other in the eye and "reading" the entire conversation based on tone, body language, and voice inflection.

4) You mentioned my appearing to be opposed to "arguing" with a critic. I guess I am! For me there is nothing wrong with discussion, teaching, or even rebuking when based in the spirit of humility and love. The problem comes when arguing unfolds having its foundation based in offense.

Again, this was not meant to ridicule, but I did mean my comment of "shame on us". We must be better, more patient, filled with a greater love, as these things were first shared with us...anyway, just some additional thoughts to consider.

[Brad]

Um- huh? You mean they don't have a choice any more? If I confess Jesus and truely believe it, I can't in the future make a choice to not believe it any more? Would I still be saved if I did. Say I went on a killing spree? Notice that is says "they follow me" what if at some point I stop following Jesus? Do you believe that I don't have a choice after I confess Jesus? God can let go if He chooses. God would let go if you did not follow the master.

I would say that you don't have a choice once you are born again. I know that sounds bad, but I believe when you're born again, you become a part of that flock. And even if we try to get away, God will see that we get back on track (Remember the parable of the 99 sheep, and the 1 that was lost, and the shepherd dropped everything and went to look for it?) Let's look at the passage in John again:

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Notice it doesn't say, "Because you don't believe, you're not my sheep", but rather "You don't believe, because you aren't my sheep." I just find that interesting. Maybe it's talking about Pre-destination?

27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

I take this as his sheep HEAR Him, and they naturally follow Him. And if they left, he would go get them, just like in the parable.

28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

He's saying that no one can take them away from Him. Now what if they want to leave? I think that would go against the nature of someone who is truly born again. No where in the Bible does it say that you can go back to your dead self.

Another illustration I like to look at is that the formula is not Faith (Man's response) + Works (Man's choice) = Eternal Life, but rather Faith (man's response) = Eternal life + Works (Good works created for you to follow by God, like in Eph. 2:10).

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

I would say that you don't have a choice once you are born again. I know that sounds bad, but I believe when you're born again, you become a part of that flock. And even if we try to get away, God will see that we get back on track (Remember the parable of the 99 sheep, and the 1 that was lost, and the shepherd dropped everything and went to look for it?) Let's look at the passage in John again:

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Notice it doesn't say, "Because you don't believe, you're not my sheep", but rather "You don't believe, because you aren't my sheep." I just find that interesting. Maybe it's talking about Pre-destination?

27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

I take this as his sheep HEAR Him, and they naturally follow Him. And if they left, he would go get them, just like in the parable.

28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

He's saying that no one can take them away from Him. Now what if they want to leave? I think that would go against the nature of someone who is truly born again. No where in the Bible does it say that you can go back to your dead self.

Another illustration I like to look at is that the formula is not Faith (Man's response) + Works (Man's choice) = Eternal Life, but rather Faith (man's response) = Eternal life + Works (Good works created for you to follow by God, like in Eph. 2:10).

Thanks for the resposnse.

"He's saying that no one can take them away from Him. Now what if they want to leave? I think that would go against the nature of someone who is truly born again. No where in the Bible does it say that you can go back to your dead self. "

At leat you are willing to look at the question posed. Most do not. I agree that people that are born again in the general sense would not want to leave, but that isn't question. the question is what if some one wants do leave, and they do. Lets say the truley believe it and trusted Jesus, and they came accross some athiestic anti-christian stuff, and got convinced it was just a lie, and that person went there way and turned from God, would they still be saved?

See were I am going with this is 2 fold "once saved always saved" or "eternal security" and that salvation happens the 2nd you confess Jesus. It is easy to say that if some one leaves then they were not really saved, so if that is the case then salvation cannot happen the 2nd a belief is exersised. Only when one, as Christ called it "endures to the end" can one claim salvation.

See we only disagree on some minor things. Really it is minor.

Jesus is our savior.

[johndoe]

So my goal here is to not "convert" any LDS so that they become good Baptists, and so on. That would be pointless. I just am looking to share what I believe God has revealed to me in the Scriptures as the true Gospel, and anyone who believes it can know that they are saved, whether they go to a Baptist church, Methodist, Catholic, LDS, etc.

So I suggest we get back to the root of the problem. This is what I believe to be the true Gospel:

When the Phillipian jailer asked, "Sirs, what must I do to have eternal life?" Paul told him, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved". (Acts 16)

So...believe. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

So if there is an LDS individual who believes this, yet also still believes that Joseph Smith was a true prophet, do you think the LDS person is OK? Or are there certain things that one must not believe to be saved? Must LDS believe that it is impossible to fall from grace in order to be saved?

[Bytor]

So if there is an LDS individual who believes this, yet also still believes that Joseph Smith was a true prophet, do you think the LDS person is OK? Or are there certain things that one must not believe to be saved? Must LDS believe that it is impossible to fall from grace in order to be saved?

I was "saved" for many years.....now I am LDS. I wonder how Brad and other Protestants view my salvation now.

[ttribe]

I was "saved" for many years.....now I am LDS. I wonder how Brad and other Protestants view my salvation now.

Easy...you were never truly "saved" in the first place...smart money says that's the answer you get.

[Avatar4321]

A couple of comments, whatever they are worth.

First, we aren't trying to build common ground with Christians. We are Christians. We have no need to build on common ground with ourselves.

Second, You think Joseph is a false prophet and get a horrible feeling when you pray? That would be clear indication to me that the Lord is telling you your thoughts are wrong on the matter.

Having had recent experience trying to get clearer answers from the Lord. Think it out in your mind. Pray and explain to the Lord why you think what you think and then Ask for Him to tell you what's right. If what you think is correct, He will let you know with the fruits of the Spirit. Joy, Peace, etc. If it's wrong you will experience a stupor of thought or a negative feeling. The way you describe it, it sounds like you are getting a negative answer to Joseph Smith not being a prophet. Which would be perfectly natural, because he is a Prophet.

Finally, if we were you accept your hypotheical and conclude that Joseph Smith was not a prophet, it doesn't help your position at all. Because it does nothing to prove that Protestant Evangelism is correct.

[Obiwan]

No, I wouldn't say that that is the point I am trying to make. LDS people certainly are some of the most morally pure people anyone will ever meet. The point I'm trying to make is that it is impossible to be born again, have your old man killed by Jesus, and revert back to that dead man. This is why I believe you can't lose your salvation (look at John 10:26-29 again to see what I mean).

Actually you are wrong..... A "son of perdition" can most certainly do that. A son of perdition is someone like satan, who knew/knows God personally, knows the spirit, but chooses to sin against God and the Holy Ghost anyway with full knowledge of what he is doing.

Many will bring up Judas, but I would like to bring up the verse, "Not everyone who says unto me, 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but He who does the will of my Father in Heaven will enter. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord,' Have we not prophesied in thy name, and cast out demons, and done for thee many wonderful works? And I will say unto them, 'Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity!" (Matt. 7:21-23)

LDS like to use this verse as well against people like you who say LDS are "works" based, to show that it is the "heart" also not simply works or grace that save.

In this situation, Judas called Jesus "Lord", except he denied him by his works (Titus 1:. They're walk doesn't match their talk. This isn't to say that works are what justifies us before Almighty God. Our works are as filthy rags (Isaiah). We are justified by our faith (confidence in Jesus Christ to saved us from our sin and make us a new creature).

Works and faith go hand in hand, one is not without the other. Your claim that works follow faith are simply non-sensicle brainwashing of your religion, not anything Biblical. For example, a child does works when he has not yet developed faith, simply doing what he is told or required to do. But is that child worthless before God, no. As well, a man who does works because he "want's" to do good. Is his works in vain simply because he doesn't know "your god"? No, because guess what ALL GOOD FLOWS FROM GOD, so in fact he does know God, even if he doesn't know his name or your version of the Trinity.

[Bytor]

I was once like Brad....a true believing Bible thumping, "saved" Southern Baptist. My best friend was LDS and I was certain that they were members of a cult and worshiped Joseph Smith. I was certain because that was I was told by other Baptists and that was what I chose to believe. I use to have some spirited debates with the missionaries that were always at his house and with my friend also. I was so busy debating and so sure they were wrong, that I rarely listened to what they were saying, yet I always thought there was something remarkably nice or good about them. I enjoyed going to the youth activities and occasionally attended Sunday services...until I went to a fast and testimony meeting. That pretty much confirmed my beliefs that they were coocoo. Sometime later, another non-LDS friend and I were harassing our miss guided Mormon friend....when the oddest thing occurred, well actually the most wonderful thing occurred. It's difficult to describe the flood of emotion and........absolute pure and holy presence that settled upon me. It quieted my tongue and opened my "spiritual" ears and I understood things in a non logical, yet positively certain fashion. (I felt like those folks at that Fast and Testimony meeting). I had always referred to the Holy Spirit and was told that he dwelt within me.........but that was the first time I had ever experienced his presence and I am absolutely certain that without the ministering of the Holy Ghost, Brad and others like him will likely never understand our seemingly odd and out of step beliefs.

[mjrossit]

In my experience, even on my mission, I've found that simply asking if Joseph Smith was a prophet didn't really produce any profound revelations. I always expected an answer to come like it does in LDS films. Profound revelations usually came to me during heavy study accompanied by prayer.

I'll also say that if you spend alot of time studying "Anti" material or anything that does not come from the source, you may get alot of those "Bad Feelings".

Having said that, I'm not surprised that the answer to your prayer was that he was a false prophet.

You need STUDY having REAL INTENT - AND THEEEEEEEENNNN - you will receive an answer to your prayer. I know by experience that it does work.

Matt

[Ceeboo]

Modern day Catholics and Protestants have far more in common with the Jews of Jesus' day than the church of Christ. The Jews were so entrenched in the culture and tradition of their day that they found Christ repulsive and blasphemous. He, like the Latter-day Saints, threatened the power structures which were already established. In short, the Jews were not structured in such a way that they could accept new revelation and apostles (sent ones). They had their canonized scripture, they had their creeds, or rabbinical writings, and were in an exclusive mode.

Why do modern Christians have creeds and canonized scriptures? As a practical means, mostly. With all the false prophets and claims and counter claims, they had to draw the line and come up with something they could all agree upon. Otherwise you'd have some churches believing in some things and some in others. It would be a mess. Better to draw the line and have everyone agree to the basics. But in doing this, they also limit God.

There's only one church today that matches the ancient church, and that church is the LDS faith. It was organized just when the prophet Daniel said it would be (see Daniel 2) and it has steadily grown and flourished just as it's young prophet (and the Book of Mormon prophets) prophesied in 1830, when the entire church could have fit in a telephone booth. I mean, imagine the audacity of envisioning the church as a world church back then, one that would grow until it filled the Earth. Yet it continues to grow and prosper just as prophesied.

Hi Cold Steel.

I am guessing, by this and other posts I have seen of yours , that you are indeed LDS ( LOL!!!!! )

I would suggest ( out of simple and common courtesy ) that you might atleast consider using things like " it is my opinion " or " from my perspective " when posting things of another faith as fact. After all, this thread is a fairly good example of how people don't appreciate someone from another faith telling the people of said faith what and why they believe what they do. I would certainly not post a Ceeboo fact lesson on LDS as I am not LDS. I would, with great respect, ask for their perspective and would appreciate the time taken to lend it to me ( even if I disagree )

At any rate, if you would like to exchange thoughts on the several claims you have shared, you might find some rather different perspectives/conclusions to the ones you suggest.

Peace,

Ceeboo

[mfbukowski]

Lastly, I noticed that you offer " why we WON'T find common ground with LDS ". I can assure you, from years of sharing on these religious forums, that if you START there, you will indeed STOP there. A coplete loss of opportunity for ALL of us to gain perspective from eachother. ( Please notice: perspective FROM eachother being the key, IMHO ).

[Tanyan]

From My LDS JEDI KNIGHT Archive - common ground with Ev Christians - The Baptist Version of the Book Of Mormon -

http://www.centerplace.org/library/bofm/ba...rsionofbofm.htm

In His Debt/Grace, Tanyan, LDS JEDI KNIGHT.

[mfbukowski]

If Joseph Smith really was a false prophet, you guys are in big trouble. I'm sure most of you can agree with that. God takes false prophets very, very seriously...which is my point.

I don't want to debate anyone....i.e., try and prove to you why Joseph Smith wasn't a prophet.

And as far as you claiming that Joseph preached the same Gospel as we protestants believe, that isn't true. Joseph taught exaltation (which really brings up a red flag to a lot of Protestants), Joseph compared salvation as a "ladder", with faith only being the first step (whereas we as Protestants see salvation as a rope, where faith is grabbing onto the rope, and having God pull us up), Joseph teaches to pray about truth - we don't.

Now, I understand you are going to disagree with everything I'm saying.

Emphasis added

Can you see the problem in this approach? It's called "consistency"

[mfbukowski]

I was born in the only Jewish state in the world. I grew up in an entirely Jewish town and went to an entirely Jewish school. Next door was a Muslim Beduin town. I now live not far from a town which is 1/3 Muslim, 1/3 Christian (catholics with some few orthodox) and 1/3 Druse.

Within walking distance are 6 historic churches of different denominations. The community I live in has a family of Messianic Jews who sculpt Christian memorabilia. There are even some reputed JWs in the nearest city. My neighbours are a mix of atheists, semi-observant and very devout Jews.

During my army service I was stationed at a base on land leased from the Catholic church. At the entrance was a statue of the Madona! Once in a while I would visit the Catholic church, which was once a hospital for Napoleon's army. I know several Mutuwalis and Bahais as well.

Served a mission in southern Russia, among Russian Orthodox, but also Armenian and Georgian Orthodox, as well as Catholics, Uniats, Muslims, Assyrians, and Yazids. My mission even included the only Buddhist region in Europe.

I worked at a baptismal site on the Jordan River for a Christian magazine run by Evangelicals.

You, I think, are unable to think outside your own perspective.

Just a little country boy hey? (Lotsa countries!)

[LifeOnaPlate]

Respectful religious dialogue is becoming increasingly important as the world becomes a global village and worldviews collide. Dialogue is critical in helping societies negotiate how to run the neighborhood in the face of inevitable conflict over politics, economics, religion, and other issues. Whether this conflict is destructive and violent or constructive and peaceful depends largely upon how world religions adapt to changes as believers from different traditions encounter each another. The tone of the conflict usually depends on the goals of each participant. We can see the volatility when Evangelicals and Mormons collide.

One approach I favor in religious dialogue is a respectful engagement that seeks first to understand and respect the beliefs of the other. While I believe spreading the message of my religion is important, one effective method of doing so rises from a foundation built on common ground. (At the least, such a common ground can be a mutual desire to understand one another). Morally, this approach fulfills the commandment to "do unto others." Pragmatically, it reduces the possibility of arguing past one another, or getting hung up on peripheral issues. One simple way to know if you understand the position of the other is by attempting to restate the position of the other to his or her satisfaction. I've seen Mormons and Evangelicals overlook this simple test. Some disregard it outright as foolish.

Significant problems remain in this idealistic approach, but I think it is a crucial agreement that must be made in order to have a decent discussion.

[mfbukowski]

Brad

We have plenty of common ground with protestants.

But you're OP ironically is correct. You, as "A" protestant, WON'T find common ground, because you don't want to find it. You have begged the question from the beginning.

Your OP itself is inconsistent in at one time saying you don't want to argue, but then the entire thread proves that you lied. That is all this thread is, is polemics.

So much for your credibility consistency and "christian attitude". With you as an example, you won't find converts here.

This is all a waste of time as far as I am concerned. The entire premise is false and self-serving.

[Mudcat]

Hi Brad,

Welcome to MADB!!

I appreciate your forthrightness and conviction. Hopefully you'll stick around for a bit.

Seems you have your table full, trying to keep up with responses on this thread. However, if you have the time and proclivity to answer, I'd like to ask you something.

Do you think it is possible for man to build a wall of false doctrine that the Holy Spirit cannot penetrate?

IOW, do you believe all LDS are doomed and damned to hell if they do not leave their beliefs, or is it possible they can be saved within them?

Respectfully,

Mudcat

[Avatar4321]

No, I wouldn't say that that is the point I am trying to make. LDS people certainly are some of the most morally pure people anyone will ever meet. The point I'm trying to make is that it is impossible to be born again, have your old man killed by Jesus, and revert back to that dead man. This is why I believe you can't lose your salvation (look at John 10:26-29 again to see what I mean).

Many will bring up Judas, but I would like to bring up the verse, "Not everyone who says unto me, 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but He who does the will of my Father in Heaven will enter. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord,' Have we not prophesied in thy name, and cast out demons, and done for thee many wonderful works? And I will say unto them, 'Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity!" (Matt. 7:21-23)

In this situation, Judas called Jesus "Lord", except he denied him by his works (Titus 1:. They're walk doesn't match their talk. This isn't to say that works are what justifies us before Almighty God. Our works are as filthy rags (Isaiah). We are justified by our faith (confidence in Jesus Christ to saved us from our sin and make us a new creature).

Paul specifically spoke of turning back to the natural man and crucifying Christ anew in Hebrews. How on earth can you say it cant happen when it's specifically talked about in the Bible you claim to accept? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Second, You seem to think that being a morally pure people is working out salvation. In fact, it's not. Being a morally pure people is exactly that. It's being morally pure. Its a state of being. Not a state of acting.

Do you understand that there is a difference between your state of being and your actions?

And one cannot be morally pure without the Atonement of Jesus Christ.

[Cold Steel]

I am guessing, by this and other posts I have seen of yours, that you are indeed LDS ( LOL!!!!! ) I would suggest ( out of simple and common courtesy) that you might at least consider using things like "it is my opinion" or "from my perspective" when posting things of another faith as fact. After all, this thread is a fairly good example of how people don't appreciate someone from another faith telling the people of said faith what and why they believe what they do.

Well, if you go back and look at my post, I did use qualifying statements throughout; however, I've left a number of other posts laying out my observations with an open invitation for someone to challenge them, and no one has, to date, taken me up on it.

I argued the following:

• the LDS church is the closest church on Earth to the ancient church,
  
• Protestants, because they broke away from the Catholics, had no innate claim to legitimacy, thus they had to create claims based on a strained exegesis of New Testament epistles,
  
• that the ancient church had certain traits, or attributes, which included a quorum of twelve apostles, seventy, bishops, priests, teachers, evangelists, ongoing revelation, a top-down structure, a called ministry and so forth, and
  
• that the ancient church had no creeds, set, canonized scripture that could not be added to.
  

I've set it up so that anyone could take issue with anything I said. I also know from talking to the Protestants on this board that when I ask them about their authority, they always cite epistles that were written to someone else, in another time and place.

This board is full of opinions, and few of them, especially by non-LDS, ever state "in my opinion" or "from my perspective." So let me just say that in my opinion, no church on Earth is closer to the original Christian church than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

[Ceeboo]

So let me just say that in my opinion, no church on Earth is closer to the original Christian church than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Hello again Cold Steel,

Much better

Peace,

Ceeboo