Yme Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 And you might wish to be a little more precise in your language. It is the position fo the LDS Church that polygamy WAS a commandment of God- it is no longer practiced in the Church.Sorry. I was refering to other churches and religious groups who today use the BOM and yet still believe that God never rescinded His command for polygamy. For example, the FLDS.How is the basis for their determination today, that polygamy should still be practiced today, any different from the way Lds members determined it to be a true and correct practice prior to 1990? If they pray about it and receive a witness through a "still small voice" telling them it is a true and correct practice, what have they done wrong? Are they praying to the wrong (G)od?
selek Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 Sorry. I was refering to other churches and religious groups who today use the BOM and yet still believe that God never rescinded His command for polygamy. For example, the FLDS. I thought as much, which is why I asked for precision rather than retraction. How is the basis for their determination today, that polygamy should still be practiced today, any different from the way Lds members determined it to be a true and correct practice prior to 1990? If they pray about it and receive a witness through a "still small voice" telling them it is a true and correct practice, what have they done wrong? Are they praying to the wrong (G)od?This is actually a much broader issue than you might, at first glance, realize. In short, it encompasses all spiritual witness, not merely Mormon/and Mormon splinter group. How do you account for the spiritual witnesses of those involved in the Methodist faith? Or those in the Catholic faith? Buddhist? Most of the apologists on this board tend to shy away from blanket condemnations of the spiritual witnesses of others, and tend to chalk them up to the indiviual interpretation and the idea that our sojourn here on Earth is not random, but is carefully customized to the growth and learning that Heavenly Father feels we need. My specific answer to the FLDS and other splinter groups asking this question would likely revolve around the simple answer that the revelation and policy changes they are rejecting were given through proper priesthood authority and ratified by the Church as a whole. In rejecting that revelation, and following men with spurious and seriously contested succession claims, they have appointed unto themselves teachers who will satisfy their itching ears.They will, of course, then cheerfully explain that I've no idea what I'm talking about.
smac97 Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 I would be interested in responses from male and females, members and non members (I guess non members don't need the okay)In a word: Nope.-Smac
Yme Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 I thought as much, which is why I asked for precision rather than retraction. This is actually a much broader issue than you might, at first glance, realize. In short, it encompasses all spiritual witness, not merely Mormon/and Mormon splinter group. How do you account for the spiritual witnesses of those involved in the Methodist faith? Or those in the Catholic faith? Buddhist? Most of the apologists on this board tend to shy away from blanket condemnations of the spiritual witnesses of others, and tend to chalk them up to the indiviual interpretation and the idea that our sojourn here on Earth is not random, but is carefully customized to the growth and learning that Heavenly Father feels we need. My specific answer to the FLDS and other splinter groups asking this question would likely revolve around the simple answer that the revelation and policy changes they are rejecting were given through proper priesthood authority and ratified by the Church as a whole. In rejecting that revelation, and following men with spurious and seriously contested succession claims, they have appointed unto themselves teachers who will satisfy their itching ears.They will, of course, then cheerfully explain that I've no idea what I'm talking about. I can see your position, but as you seem to indicate, it would be as self serving as a response from those who would disagree with you and continue to practice polygamy today.A related question: Is there any evidence that the Lds Church, as a whole, voted on and validated D&C 132 (revelation on polygamy) when it was supposedly received by Smith in June of 1843? If not, how did one conclude that it was "prophecy"?
cinepro Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 It all depends. Assuming wife no.1 was on board, it might work out...or it might not...
Son Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 Only if my husband approved of my choice of brother-husbands.Where does one send an application
jadams_4242 Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 I would be interested in responses from male and females, members and non members (I guess non members don't need the okay) Nope, And not only that, I would never,never,never, remarry if my present wife were to pass. Some might not understand or beleive that, but thats the way it is.
BlueDreams Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 I would be interested in responses from male and females, members and non members (I guess non members don't need the okay)No. I'd do what I want to do and traveling during the summer with the kids largely on service activites as well as to teach my children about the larger world. 1 or 2 of my children would be adopted. I'd have a small plot of land in the east coast with a comfortable home, some chickens, a dog or two, a small studio, and the likes. In the evenings we'd sit and watch the kids play and laugh while we sat on our porch sipping sparkling cider (or sparkling pear juice...I recently fell in love with that one) and think about the next trip to (fill in the blank) and the loads of money we can spend on a housesitter to watch the place for a few weeks without batting an eyelid. If I were rich enough, that would be my perfect life. (You threw in that afford thing and I thought of other things we could also afford without such a large extension to the family). But even if I weren't and we had a smalller home (preferably still on the east coast) and we were still in the position that it was feasible...I think I'll opt out.With luv,BD
MorningStar Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 No, not by choice. If it were by choice, the conditions changing my mind would have to be really, really awful and the other wife (or wives) would have to be a really close friend that I know I would get along with like my best friend who is also my old roommate. We already know we get along well living under the same roof, but it would be an enormous trial to share my husband. If I were the needy one, I would probably just live in her home and not have a relationship with her husband, but help out around the house and with the children. If my husband passed away, I couldn't really see myself wanting to be married or affectionate with another man.If we were called to practice polygamy, I would have to pray hard about it and would probably eventually give in, but I can't see myself being happy for it except for the fun of having friends in my home. I just can't picture sharing my husband with all the STD's that exist. Yuck. In a monogamous marriage, people already have to worry about the possibility of their spouse cheating on them, but with polygamy, you have to worry about multiple people bringing diseases home and I think it would be even more tempting for a polygamous wife to commit adultery while waiting for her turn to be with her husband. If I did decide to practice it, I would probably be celibate. I don't even like sharing a can of pop with people.
Jan Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 I would be interested in responses from male and females, members and non members (I guess non members don't need the okay)Only if they let us practice polyandry.
Calm Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 Only if they let us practice polyandry. I'm making up my list right now.
Calm Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 IMO, any man in his right mind would say no.Guess none of us will be adding you to our lists, Dan.
MorningStar Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 Guess none of us will be adding you to our lists, Dan.Who's on your list?
Avatar4321 Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 I cant even convince one girl to go out with me. How on earth could i convince many of them to marry me?
MorningStar Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 I cant even convince one girl to go out with me. How on earth could i convince many of them to marry me?Marry one convincing woman. She'll convince the others.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 It all depends. Assuming wife no.1 was on board, it might work out...or it might not...
Connolly Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 One of my friends used to humorously quip"I would hate having to live the law of polygamy..... I wouldn't mind practicing it though."
Connolly Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 Only one deciding factor to me - is this hypothetical 2nd wife hot?Yabbut, in my fortunate case, the non-hypothetical, very real 1st wife is totally hot!
solomarineris Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 No. I consider the practice of polygamy disgusting.What is wtong w you? For starters I suggest you watch "Big Love" and smell the roses.
Dan Vogel Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 Guess none of us will be adding you to our lists, Dan.I'm definitely a one-woman-at-a-time kind of guy. My chances for happiness are much greater that way.
Maidservant Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 Yes. Polygamy and Polyandry. I'd do it even if it was tolerated by the church (not necessarily a celestial commandment) and tolerated by the laws of the land. It just makes sense to me in a lot of ways.When my husband and I first got married we used to talk/ joke about it a lot actually. I think it's kind of stupid now, but I think I was picking out second and third wives. Whatever. (This was before I found out I was going to end up being the "husband" and sole person in the marriage anyhow; married to myself.)I will say that I did feel really bad for a sweet lady that was trying to raise her kids and I was thinking freely that I would without hesitation share my hubby (again, before the above mentioned realization).I think that for me the crux of whether the experience would be joyful or excruciating would depend on the capacity for love of the husband (in the polygamy). If I felt less loved than the other women, that would be painful. But if the man had the spiritual power to love everyone, well then, sounds sweet to me. (Men are amazing!) There is much more than sexual relations in this tapestry, and even more than economic and time management benefits -- it has to do with the influence of a Christ like man upon a woman and her offspring. (Of course, women/ wives and their attitudes and capacity to love and have spirit are also important in the polygamy, obviously.)By the way, the hardest person it would be to share a man with would be my actual sister.Also, I've lived long enough and find myself in a life situation that being a second wife or further down the pole, so to speak, that I would just be grateful to some male attention I could call my own even like, for an afternoon for once a month -- would any other woman share her husband with me that much? Of course not, not how things are (and should be). And of course -- find a single guy. Sigh. Then I'd have to marry him, live with him 24/7, and take care of him. Nah, I want to eat bread without planting the wheat field etc.Okay, I'm babbling a little bit.And, as far as polyandry . . . uh, Oracle ? . . . yup!No, actually, I am sealed to my first husband. He is dead for now. I have all my children with him. I know what it's like to be divorced from your daddy, which circumstance I should not like to put my own children into as it has caused me unbelievable sorrow in my own life. I have some respect for my husband. I value our sealing and the ties of our family (children). On this basis, I would like to remained sealed to him. But I, at least in my mortal mind at least, cringe at spending an eternity with him. Sigh. And if I meet another gentlemen and meet him and forge a relationship of oneness with him -- but then when we die it is over? I do not accept the proverb that I will be made to choose. I should like in this instance to be sealed to both of them. I find myself in a dilemma. Perhaps I don't even understand the purpose of sealing completely (in fact, I'm sure I don't). Don't worry, I have laid it before the Lord and as well am studying it out and as well just living my real life in between time, lol.
cdowis Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 IMO, any man in his right mind would say no.A woman, through no fault of her own, is a single mother. She is struggling financially to support three children, and no one to help to raise the children.And I would be "insane" to make her part of my family, is that correct? To deny her and the children the support that they can only get from a caring husband, and father. Is that what you are telling us is the "sane" thing to do.
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