The caricature: Mormons wishing to "get their own planet"?

[Calm]

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Would we be satisfied to see the children we bury in their infancy remain as children only, throughout the countless ages of eternity? No! Neither would the spirits that did possess the tabernacles of our children be satisfied to remain in that condition. But we know our children will not be compelled to remain as a child in stature always, for it was revealed from God, the fountain of truth, through Joseph Smith the prophet, in this dispensation, that in the resurrection of the dead the child that was buried in its infancy will come up in the form of the child that it was when it was laid down; then it will begin to develop. From the day of the resurrection, the body will develop until it reaches the full measure of the stature of its spirit, whether it be male or female. If the spirit possessed the intelligence of God and the aspirations of mortal souls, it could not be satisfied with anything less than this. You will remember we are told that the spirit of Jesus Christ visited one of the ancient prophets and revealed himself to him, and he declared his identity, that he was the same Son of God that was to come in the meridian of time. He said he would appear in the flesh just as he appeared to that prophet [see Ether 3:9, 16–17]. He was not an infant; he was a grown, developed spirit; possessing the form of man and the form of God, the same form as when he came and took upon him a tabernacle and developed it to the full stature of his spirit.

If they are comparing other spirits to Jesus’ age, then that’s mid30s.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teachings-joseph-f-smith/chapter-15?lang=eng

Couple that with the teaching our bodies mirror our spirits, it is logical to assume resurrected bodies will age to their late 20s, mid 30s, male and female and then hold there (if one assumes our eventual eternal appearance is unchanging, which I don’t).

[The Nehor]

40 minutes ago, Calm said:

If they are comparing other spirits to Jesus’ age, then that’s mid30s.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teachings-joseph-f-smith/chapter-15?lang=eng

Couple that with the teaching our bodies mirror our spirits, it is logical to assume resurrected bodies will age to their late 20s, mid 30s, male and female and then hold there (if one assumes our eventual eternal appearance is unchanging, which I don’t).

I want my early to mid 20s twink form please.

[Calm]

4 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I want my early to mid 20s twink form please.

I want my early 20s, back when my body felt almost normal and I could sleep through the night.

[The Nehor]

52 minutes ago, Calm said:

I want my early 20s, back when my body felt almost normal and I could sleep through the night.

Yeah, and in case God is reading this I think Calm deserves the being able to sleep through the night thing now and not in some future state so it would be nice if you could take care of that.

[marineland]

On 7/9/2026 at 4:27 PM, webbles said:

No, we (male and female) all live on the celestial Earth.

Apart from Heavenly Father, who lives on a planet near Kolob?

[marineland]

On 7/9/2026 at 4:53 PM, bluebell said:

None of them. Like I said, they taught it as doctrine. 

Do you believe they were false or true doctrines?

[marineland]

On 7/10/2026 at 12:45 AM, JLHPROF said:

Actually what it implies is that the Father acted as a Savior to a previous creation and inherited his own Earth.

What did Christ say? He does nothing except that which the Father had done.

Where does it say "the Father had done" part?

Does Jesus have relations with a wife to produce spirit children when he says this?

[webbles]

6 minutes ago, marineland said:

Apart from Heavenly Father, who lives on a planet near Kolob?

No idea.  Most of what you are asking about hasn't been revealed and is almost always speculation.

[marineland]

On 7/10/2026 at 12:45 AM, JLHPROF said:

Actually what it implies is that the Father acted as a Savior to a previous creation

Did the Father atone for the sins of Heavenly Mother?

Edited 6 hours ago by marineland

[marineland]

4 minutes ago, webbles said:

No idea.  Most of what you are asking about hasn't been revealed and is almost always speculation.

Or he might give up his current planet to one of his other brother Gods.

[webbles]

2 minutes ago, marineland said:

Or he might give up his current planet to one of his other brother Gods.

As I mentioned, pure speculation.  And when we usually talking about "getting other planets", it isn't the planet we reside on, but the planet that our children would be born on and grow.

[teddyaware]

There are believed to be about 100 sextillion planets in the observable universe. For some reason God makes lots and lots and lots of planets. There is no paucity of planets in God’s creation. If there is a God, it seems unlikely that he would bother to create 100 sextillion planets without having some wise and wonderful reason for doing so.

Edited 6 hours ago by teddyaware

[longview]

1 hour ago, teddyaware said:

If there is a God, it seems unlikely that he would bother to create 100 sextillion planets without having some wise and wonderful reason for doing so.

Not only that but God graciously provides for organizing spirit planets that progress thru various stages (telestial, terrestrial, celestial).

[Notatbm]

15 hours ago, webbles said:

That is not actually abnormal for the US.  Yes, it doesn't fit the average, but there are other men and women with that same age gap at the same time.  As I mentioned, I did a deep dive into the census of the time period.  Here's a link to a post I made about the numbers.  Teenage women marrying men several decades older than them was not unique to Utah but happened in several other states.  In fact, if the census is to be believed, there were 13 year olds married to 50 year olds.  Utah itself was fairly close to the average if not above the average.

You sure put in a lot of work to normalize 13-15 year old girls marrying 50+ year old males.... How young a girl could you marry and feel comfortable telling people it is normal at your current age (whatever that is) now?
I'm mid 50s and the notion of someone my age (or me) marrying anyone <30 years old is ridiculous. Likely they would feel the same way. Someone my age marrying someone less than 30 years old deserves a severe parking lot counseling session.

[bluebell]

3 hours ago, marineland said:

Do you believe they were false or true doctrines?

Probably a little of both. 

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, teddyaware said:

There are believed to be about 100 sextillion planets in the observable universe. For some reason God makes lots and lots and lots of planets. There is no paucity of planets in God’s creation. If there is a God, it seems unlikely that he would bother to create 100 sextillion planets without having some wise and wonderful reason for doing so.

The estimates on that vary wildly. Some problems we encounter are having a small sample size of stars where we can detect planets and the dangers of generalizing that data to other parts of a galaxy or to other galaxies.

The downside is that most of those planets are not useful for most purposes we can envision. A joke about the exoplanets:

 

Even if the planet is sort of right the star may not be in a phase conducive to life. Yellow dwaves like Sol, out own sun, are pretty good for life development. The main criteria are how long the star will burn for since life tends to take time to show up. Orange dwarves would actually be better as they can last about three to four times as long as a yellow dwarf (depending primarily on size).

So a lot of planets won’t be inhabited and we have no idea how common habitable planets are as we have exactly one. The number is also skewed since moons might potentially be more likely to develop life than planets in the right conditions and there are more moons….probably.

God might have a purpose for planets that don’t seem to have direct value to us. Or God might just like making neat stuff.

[Calm]

3 hours ago, teddyaware said:

If there is a God, it seems unlikely that he would bother to create 100 sextillion planets without having some wise and wonderful reason for doing so.

That wise and wonderful reason could be simply because it’s fun.

Play is serious business in my view.  “Man is that he might have joy.” There is great joy in creation as artists and other creators may be able to convey to you if you haven’t experienced it for yourself.  

Edited 2 hours ago by Calm

[webbles]

2 hours ago, Notatbm said:

You sure put in a lot of work to normalize 13-15 year old girls marrying 50+ year old males.... How young a girl could you marry and feel comfortable telling people it is normal at your current age (whatever that is) now?
I'm mid 50s and the notion of someone my age (or me) marrying anyone <30 years old is ridiculous. Likely they would feel the same way. Someone my age marrying someone less than 30 years old deserves a severe parking lot counseling session.

I like crunching numbers.  I'm not trying to normalize it.  It is definitely abnormal.  But it isn't unique to Utah at the time.  If it happened today, it would definitely be weird and frowned down upon.  It breaks the the pop cultural math of "age / 2 + 7" for what is acceptable today.  But go back earlier, that wasn't always true.  A fairly famous case is President Cleveland's marriage to Francis Folsom in 1886.  She was 21.  He was 49.  He was good friends with her dad and when her dad died, he became her unofficial guardian when she was 11.  Their marriage happened while he was president.  That marriage would raise a lot of eyebrows now a days but was a social sensation back then.

But to say that the church taught or believed that woman should be young to be married (either here or in the afterlife) or that even those men wanted young wives is taking it further than the data suggests.  If you look more deeply at those wives in the infographic, you'll find that all of those women didn't have their first child till years later.  Clarissa Young was 21 with her first child, Sarah Snow was 21 with her first child, and Emma Woodruff was 19 with her first child.  So, yes, they were married very young and that is problematic.  But the data also suggests that it wasn't consummated until they were a bit older.  If they had been a monagamous marriage and had married shortly before the birth of the first child, the age difference between the man and woman would have been fairly normal for the time period (pretty close to President Cleveland's marriage).

Another thing that you seem to be missing is that there were several men who did write to Brigham Young and asked to marry young girls.  This included 12 year old girls.  He wrote back and told them to wait for those girls to grow up.  That wasn't always specified as I have a ancestor's sister who was married when she was 14, but it shows that it wasn't normal to marry young women.