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They are self insured. They do have a “Lloyd’s” type policy that covers major expenses I’m thinking in the millions. It’s what they try to pay off major child abuse lawsuits with although I think they will eventually get dropped for that category. Criminal damage, accidents etc once liability reaches a certain ceiling the Lloyd’s policy kicks in. I don’t think they are actually insured by Lloyd’s, but the policies would be similar.

I’m gonna double down in fact: What’s the deal with the Tongans??? You see that video of a literal crip gang funeral inside the lds building, speaker wearing balaclava all tatted up , wearing gang colors and drinking a corona beer…. At an lds funeral? . Everyone in there acting like it’s all normal procedure. Turns out it kinda is. The funeral was even decorated up in crip colors. that gang is totally running that ward. 100%. Bishop is a mere figurehead and prob in on the program too. No doubt. so yea this is a Tongan problem. Call it racist all you want, but they own this. Watch the video- you will see https://www.christianwarriortraining.com/p/did-the-crips-take-over-an-lds-church

Ward security specialist (armed) is pretty much a fake calling. There are no official church positions other than assigned out of the COB for General Authorities and special events or circumstances for armed personnel. I'm open to being wrong, but my ward has "security specialists" too and i just looked them up and none of them have that listed as a calling so i believe it to be a made up local thing. Official church policy is all weapons are prohibited in church buildings with the exception for certified current police officers. Anyone who engages in armed security work at the local level at the request of a bishop or stake president would be well advised to get the assignment documented on paper though kirton mckonkie, tape record the appointment (calling) and get it archived. If in that capacity you shoot someone at church(even if they needed to be killed) I 100% guarantee you the church will not indemnify you and the bishop or whatever stake leader will be blamed for going rogue and not following church policy.

Oh boy... This video is pretty crazy. Crazier than I thought. The Tongan Crip Gang literally held a Gang Centered Funeral complete with gang colors, gang paraphernalia decorations around the casket and even a masked, color-wearing gangster giving a talk while drinking a Corona beer. The Tongan families have completely lost control if these guys are rolling lke this at church. Also see 12 min mark for this guys prophesy. This guy is a prophet: https://www.christianwarriortraining.com/p/did-the-crips-take-over-an-lds-church

Very interesting commentary: He hits the nail on the head re church security.. specifically LDS Chapel security Pay attention at ~14min. I guess this guy is a racist too https://www.christianwarriortraining.com/p/lds-tongan-crip-problem-1-dead-2

The history of the "white" people involved in this is it is random, some are not LDS (to include the shooter in Michigan) and there is no pattern other than suspects being white. Kinda hard to do predictive policing and crime prevention when it is that random. No where to focus. Not to mention inthe Michigan one. the police killed the guy so story is over. In Utah we have a much different situation: 1- First shooting early '26 was at a funeral and involved the following factors: **LDS members ** Members of Tongan Crip Gang (TCG) ** Two dead and six injured. Evidence of multiple firearms at scene 2- Second shooting Aug '26 ** At a funeral for a TCG member who was killed during a probable robbery attempt ** TCG members attending funeral ** More people shot and killed at this funeral **Two more TCG members just got arrested a couple days ago for obstruction with this Aug 26 incident. Commonalities: Utah (Salt Lake area), Mormons, TCG members. They just so happen to be Tongan. +++++++++++THE TCG needs to get aggressively investigated and eradicated before it gets more out of control than it is now. If people think that is racist so be it. There are so many intersecting factors (one of which is tongans) that local law enforcement is absolutely whistling past the graveyard. If they are afraid of being tagged as racist... welll the chickens will be coming home to roost. In face they already are and I bet we have not seen the end of this.

Agreed-glad they got them

I’m did a google ai question about stake president workload in 1980s. Interesting response and it is nearly identical to my experience: Serving as an LDS (Mormon) stake president in the 1980s required a heavy time commitment that frequently strained family life, though the church implemented structural changes during that decade to reduce burdens on local leaders. [1, 2] A stake president is an unpaid, local volunteer leader who oversees multiple congregations, known as wards. The Time Demands Endless Meetings: Leaders spent weeknights and entire Sundays in counseling sessions, leadership training, and disciplinary meetings. Full-Time Jobs: Because the position is a lay ministry, presidents had to balance these heavy church duties with a regular 40-hour work week and raising their own children. Personal Sacrifices: Many spouses and children of 1980s leaders recall missing vacations, dinners, and weekend events because the president was attending to church members in crisis. Church Reforms in the Era Recognizing the heavy toll on families, the leadership in Salt Lake City adjusted several programs during this period: Consolidated Sunday Schedule: In 1980, the church introduced the three-hour "block" meeting. This replaced a fragmented schedule that previously required members and leaders to drive to the church building multiple times on Sunday. [1] Fewer Conferences: In 1979, regional stake conferences were reduced from four times a year down to two to save time and travel expenses for families.[1] Differing Perspectives Experiences varied widely from one family to another: [1] Strained Relationships: Some family members felt neglected, noting that the intense church workload took priority over home life. Spiritual Focus: Other families viewed the calling as a shared sacrifice, believing that the service brought spiritual protection and blessings to their home despite the absence. If you are researching a specific region or looking for personal accounts from that era, let me know what additional details or perspectives you would like to explore Phoenix Arizona area In the Phoenix, Arizona metro area (including the historically high-LDS communities of Mesa, Tempe, and Chandler), the strain on 1980s stake presidents was uniquely intensified by an unprecedented population and construction boom. [1, 2] During this decade, Arizona’s LDS population grew by an explosive 40 percent (jumping from roughly 172,000 to 241,000 members). For local stake presidents, this transformed an already demanding volunteer calling into a chaotic, time-consuming second job that directly encroached on family life. [1] Why Phoenix Area Leaders Faced Extravagant Time Demands Constant Boundary Realignment Meetings: As thousands of people moved into the Valley, stakes and wards grew too large and had to be divided continuously (e.g., the creation of the Glendale Arizona North Stake in 1981). Stake presidents spent late weeknights pouring over maps, analyzing demographic numbers, and interviewing dozens of members to staff entirely new congregations. [1, 2, 3] The "Building Boom" Workload: Because new chapels were springing up across the Phoenix grid, stake presidents had to oversee massive local fundraising and construction efforts. Before modern centralization, local leaders bore heavy logistical burdens for real estate acquisition and building dedication. [1] Managing the Influx of Converts: The Southwest was a primary target for missionary growth. Stake presidents had to handle a heavy load of temple recommend interviews, baptism confirmations, and leadership training for brand-new members who were unfamiliar with how the church operated. [1, 2] Geographic Spread: Long before modern freeways connected the entire Valley, driving from a stake center in Phoenix to a ward in a growing suburb meant hours in the car on arterial roads, eating further into family dinners and weekend time. [1] Local Family Dynamics The "Mesa vs. Outlier" Disconnect: In heavily LDS enclaves like Mesa, a stake president's family at least had a dense community support network of neighbors, school teachers, and politicians who shared their faith. In the newer, sprawling boundaries of West Phoenix or Glendale, the families of stake presidents often felt more isolated, navigating the father's near-total absence without a massive LDS neighborhood support structure. [1, 2, 4] The "Widow of the Church" Phenomenon: Wives of Valley stake presidents in this era frequently ran large households entirely on their own, managing scorching Arizona summers, youth sports, and family logistics solo while their husbands were sequestered in air-conditioned stake offices for leadership meetings.

This was in 80s so going forward I do not know how anything has/ has not changed. I do know that three nights during the week he had meetings at the stake center ( HC and church courts etc) fri and or sat was stake and ward temple nights so he and my mother would be gone both nights. Sunday gone all day. Our stake was over 40 miles across back then ( now it’s about five) so he had to travel to the three wards out in the boonies twice a month. We had twelve wards till we split ( that was about five years worth and then we ended up with nine wards) so he really never visited our ward. I was too young while he was in bishopric so I don’t remember that. Once in stake presidency he disappeared. Never had time to go to my ball games, swim meets, scout courts of honor ( except for Eagle) etc. we rarely went hunting or fishing since they HAD to go to temple nights and on sat when he usually was home part of the day we spent all time either at church farm, working in our garden or participating in some wards service project EVERY SINGLE WEEK. Anyway everyone’s experience is different and mine largely drives my contempt for nearly all things church. Funny thing is even that wasn’t enough until it was shown and proven the church has been dishonest with its history, hides stuff, has no real discernment (salamander letter fiasco) and submits fraudulent government paperwork. Those last few things finally pushed me over the edge.

Same can be said of parents in long term high demand callings in the church. My father was either in a bishopric, a stake presidency or the actual stake president literally from the time I was born till well after I graduated high school. due to the endless meetings and endless Sundays I literally do not know tha man as he was never around. I am very sure I have sat with him in church less than ten times in my entire life. not his fault- just being obedient. I have had my own opportunities long ago for a few high demand callings. I just said no and told them yea I pretty much had an absentee father who regarded every church meeting as more important than his kids. I will not subject my kids to that. I was in the military and deployed all the time. I still spent (no exaggeration) at least 100x more time with my kids than my father spent with us. It wasn’t even close.

Thank you

Rant all you want… in fact write a huge wall of text here about how racist you think I am. Explain in detail how racist you think it is. We alllll want to hear all about it. maybe next time there are two murders at lds funerals and the perps are of a different nationality then whomever that is will get the attention. Make sure if and when it does happen you call that out as racist as well. Until then, I’m thinking the police focus will be on a few Tongans. If that is racist to you then take it up with the cops. fake outrage

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Yea nehor already accused me of that nice try. Tell me who the police should investigate and or provide security for/ from? Probably the people who are killing each other. In this and the previous incident. Apparently Tongans.

hmmm ok yea I do t care if you take it down or not it isn’t anything I’ll lose any sleep over. Was just curious. coming from a stake pres family… those guys pretty much do whatever they want.

Yep … of course that is something that can be blamed completely on the members for not reading all the policy manuals. Heaven forbid the church train the bishops in anything except how to count money and to not report child molesters. Those two categories they are expert at.

Ok… I was wondering . Thx

Do you have an official church source that says signup lists or using signup genius and similar tools are prohibited? Are you saying church policy is for the executive secretary to literally call or corner each ward member in the hallway to set up appointments? If that’s the policy it’s freakin dumb.

Y’all are doing it wrong if ur not taking your kids. Jesus wants them to be subjected to the audit too: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/general-handbook/34-finances-and-audits?lang=eng “34.3.1.2 Tithing Declaration The bishop meets with each member during the last few months of each year to receive his or her tithing declaration. In rare circumstances when the bishop is absent, the stake president may authorize one of the bishop’s counselors to fulfill this responsibility. All members are invited to meet with the bishop to: Declare to the bishop their status as tithe payers. Ensure their contribution records are accurate. Whenever possible, all members of a family, including children, should attend together.”

Where did I suggest something abusive happened? To me?

so now the ward clerks are supposed to spend four months chasing people like the old days. If that’s the case I see ward clerks/ exec secretaries quitting a masse. Lol I don’t care they are not including us in anything, I was just mystified why no comm at all and after two plus years we get a tithing settlement invite.

I’m not trying to unsubscribe. Was just trying to see what the setting is. We r on full visibility it would seem as we don’t have any of the orange shields applied to anything. Ur right it does.. what doesn’t is why we haven’t got any correspondence of any kind for two years but all of a sudden we get the tithing one.

Every ward I have been in the entire family was invited. Growing up we went as a family.

Ha yea. From a couple of them for sure. MESSAGES

The entire time we have been in this ward we used signup genius ( I think that’s what it is called ) and it seemed at the time to work well. Previous was a signup clipboard just on the wall outside the clerks office. Everyone could see who was going and when.