Tim Ballard's New Rants About the Church

[Calm]

16 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

don't know how Troy is being sucked in so far.

He has apparently made Troy a good friend, welcomed Troy into his home, etc.  Troy believes he knows his heart, that TB is speaking truth when he says over and over he’s been defamed, etc.  And Ballard presents himself as ActionMan, out there saving the innocents!  In the middle of a war zone, bullets are flying around them as he speaks!

Who would not feel good, excited to be able to be part of such a glorious mission, to be called a friend by such a hero.  To be considered as part of that in group, contributing to that mission.  I can understand the appeal when usually we feel so helpless and ineffectual in trying to reach out and help the most vulnerable in this world.

And TB just dumps all this info on what he is doing, with videos as well…at least it feels like a lot, but there wasn’t that much concrete one could grasp onto. There was one pastor (Druze iirc) that was shown, I mean to look him up later.  Also TB is making claims about ISIS that I am not sure are accurate (there have been attacks against the Druze this past year, the size and perpetrators seem to be different than what TB is claiming).

IOW, if you take TB at face value, he looks pretty credible so far (about halfway through).  He is a bit hyper in how he speaks, but that conveys passion and could be investment.  (It could also be trying to suppress thinking too much about any one thing by dumping so much at once.)

Edited October 23, 2025 by Calm

[Calm]

He is making a claim that tens of thousands of death cult jihadists were descending on Druze villages, raping and murdering children, throwing them off rooftops.  Worse than what Hilter’s group did.  He gave a date, July 14th, so I found a report.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmwp70pwmyo

He claims over 3000 killed.  Maybe he is including other times?

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they they on July 14th, out of nowhere, just tens of thousands of jihadists recruited from all over the world. Most

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of them are are Syrian. uh they came in under their death cult. They just they want to kill people because they think

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that makes Allah their god happy. Uh and we can talk about how they come to those conclusions and how many have come to

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those conclusions for 1400 years. This is it's not that new. Um but they came

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in and slaughtered and you can look on my on my social media and see what they've done. Uh they they and sorry

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this I'm going to be raw but I mean they they've raped babies infants thrown them off roofs, beheaded children, women

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after raping them. uh thousands over 3,000 slaughtered slaughtered like like

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animals.

Looking for numbers in media reports now.

I need to pay attention to other stuff, so cheated and am using wiki and AI to find the info for now…

AI:

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The death toll for Druze in fighting in Syria since July 14th is at least 166 people, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. This figure includes both combat deaths and executions, as well as those killed in clashes between Bedouin tribes and local Druze factions in the Suwayda governorate. A previous estimate had put the initial death toll from the weekend's violence at 99, with some sources claiming the total has exceeded 350, but the figure of 166 appears to be the most recent and detailed update from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights

I would love to know where he got 3,000 from.  Maybe he is talking about since 2011?

https://www.cbs42.com/news/international/ap-druze-community-in-syrias-idlib-province-on-edge-after-targeted-shooting-kills-3/

AI gets the number closer this time around and brings up ISIS connections.

“In July 2025, renewed clashes broke out in the As-Suwayda province between Druze militias and Bedouin tribes, some with ties to ISIS.

• The violence drew in Syrian government forces, who reportedly sided with the Bedouin and carried out mass executions of Druze civilians.
• According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, more than 1,100 people were killed in the fighting, including hundreds of Druze civilians and fighters. 

Other instances of violence

• April 2025 massacre: An ambush by forces affiliated with the Syrian Ministries of Interior and Defense killed 43 Druze fighters traveling to support fellow Druze near Damascus.
• Ongoing tensions: The Druze have been frequent targets of Sunni extremist groups like ISIS and Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, which consider them heretics.
• Targeted shootings: In October 2025, a targeted shooting in Idlib province killed three members of the Druze community.”

 

It still doesn’t come close to 3000.

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[Pyreaux]

4 hours ago, bluebell said:

I wonder if people are taking bets that he's the actual prophet. 

Also, if there are child sacrificing satan worshippers in the church, why wouldn't he have already exposed them??  What kind of crap person would keep that a secret to clear his name, especially one who trades on his personal mission to save children??  

1 hour ago, Calm said:

He states there are watchmen on the tower not doing their job, that Isaiah calls them drunkards. 
 

He says there are infiltrators at the level of watchmen as well as good men.

So who are the watchmen?

It is possible the host was teasing that he is a prophet, such a grand narrative aligns with his claims of doing God's work, being wrongfully persecuted by the Church, and having divine revelation, he is positioning himself as the one with spiritual authority.

Though really, I think he is unskillfully using hyperbole to refer to unmasking the "true (shadow) prophet". This figure, who he believes is running the attack against him, is likely a high-level administrator (like the Director of Media Relations or someone above him) who is effectively calling all the shots and controlling the organization's public image and policy, thus acting as the de facto prophet. He is saying the PR department, not the official leadership, excommunicated him, therefore they must be running the church.

He insists M. Russell Ballard was "dying" and "knew nothing of the statement's contents," suggesting the PR director, the supposed "shadow prophet" or puppet masters used the Apostle's name without authorization. The administrative personnel, who he views as having "no tact no coup no morals", have seized functional control of the Church's power and voice.

He throws the word "satanic" around to describe trafficking. His satanic claims are likely a massive overstatement intended to equate the administrative personnel who defamed him with the "satanic" trafficking networks he fights. A truth he holds which requires a five-hour explanation to comprehend will reveal a link between those who orchestrated his downfall and the continuation of trafficking. Because he couldn't possibly be a true PR problem; it can only be the PR department hates him because they must be connected with trafficking.

The Watchmen on the Tower are the prophets and apostles, who of course are drunk and asleep on their watch.

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[Calm]

Okay, that makes more sense.

Halfway through the video and beside the name of the Director and seeing the video of his wife claiming to have talked to Elder Ballard denying he issued a statement (too bad she didn’t record it), I am still waiting for the mass of crucial info I was promised.

[Calm]

I suggest starting at 55 minutes.  Might change my mind, but he is talking about local leadership and blaming Anderson and others for “giving cover” to pedophiles and traffickers.

They just threw in a repentance talk to be sure you know they are the good guys, lol.

[Calm]

He is claiming the Church committed criminal acts by meddling in the election that was going to make him the senator from Utah.

Then the Sound of Freedom movie was going to give absolute light to all the trafficking at the border, etc…..I will just quote his claims of how close he was to overthrowing evil.

[Calm]

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Okay. within the week of of being at Bedminster and Kevin

McCarthy holds a a screening of Sound of Freedom that gets up with me and Eduardo Vastig and Heritage Foundation and says,

"We're going to issue the Sound of Freedom Act." The Sound of Freedom Act is going to be the the first act that's going to allow light to dissipate all

the darkness of child trafficking and child sex slavery on the border, uh, which I've talked about at length. The

300,000 Missing Children, SRA

300,000 children missing, okay, they got trafficked by the Biden HHS. Satanic ritual abuse, which unfortunately is

going to be tied to Utah. I knew that and I was looking into it. Okay, now let me get this in here. When I learned

about this, I went to one of the 12 apostles. I won't name the name. And I I thought, look, we got to clean this up. This is this is attached to to entities

and people very much associated with the church. And I was told these exact words. Please do not go down that rabbit

hole. Okay? And I I I I'm sorry. I

answer to Jesus alone. And when you tell me not to help a child who's being raped, I'm I'm I'm not going to I'm not

going to take that. I don't that's not how we're supposed to live our lives. We're supposed to go to Jesus and some of the watchmen don't want you to live

your lives that way. I'm not saying this particular apostle was that I actually love this person. I understand

and I'm I'm not I'm I'm not going to go too deep into this, but it might not have been a full-on

like stop, you know, but I didn't stop. they knew I was going to continue to go and do and I know what I've been

commanded to do and I'm going to go and do it like I know I have a covenant with my savior to rescue his children and I'm

not going to stop that no matter who tells me to stop that. So understand that. So the sound of freedom act is

going to go out and it's going to empower Congress empower the government to do something they've never done in

exposing child sex slavery using the leverage of the sound of freedom. Okay. So now at that point any efforts that

are crazy offthe-wall if any corporation or person lies or goes 200 million miles outside of their policy or scripture

even worse uh it's it becomes it could it could go beyond a first amendment issue you know it could go beyond a

first like we can do what we want. Well not if you're connecting a conspiracy conspiracy means you don't have to know the whole thing. You could have just

played a part and if your part was going 200 million miles outside of your scripture and your, you know, uh,

policy, then then then people get to ask questions. What were you up to? Why would you do something so bizarre, so

outside of the lane? What were you really up to? These are these are now questions that transcend the first

amendment argument of we can do what we want over here. We're private. No, it's not private anymore. If if you have if

you have posed a an affront to the US Congress, which means to the people of the United States, which means to the

children, countless who need to be helped. Now, you got a problem. You got a problem with the people. You got a

problem with God. You got a problem with Jesus, especially if you did it using his name and you become a lukewarm that

needs to be vomited out. Okay? So, there's problems all over the place. Okay? This this thing is so complex. Um,

so at that point, uh, after these things come out within a day or two, I get a

phone call from an insider, definite insider, I know 100%. He knows what's up

in in DC. He calls me and says, "Tim, $10 million at least has been invested

to destroy you, to make sure you can't be the senator, especially you're attached to Trump. He's going to use you to rescue children all over the world,

expose things people don't want exposed." And I said, "What's it going to look like?" He said it's going to look like a bag of bricks.

I'm freaking out. So, I'm on this tour in Boston wondering where's Is it going to come from Mexico or cartels? Is it

going to come from somewhere in DC? Is it going to come I I don't know. Well, it came from the last place I could possibly have imagined. It came from

people inside the corporation of the church. Okay. Namely, Doug Anderson. Now, he's the voice, you know, was who

was directing him. I know I know a lot more than I'm probably going to say about who was behind it, but it came out

as a as a statement to Vice News. Vice News, the anti-Jesus Pro pedophile magazine. Uh Doug Anderson sends a

statement to them that says that basically denouncing me, saying that I used Elder Ballard's name. I was very, very close to Elder Ballard. We were

like, he called me his son, grandson. We traveled together. We were very close, very close to him, my family. And he did

not do this. Okay, that's the funny thing is they defame him on the first sentence because to say that Elder

Ballard cut me off, that's what they said. Elder Ballard has cut me off. He that Elder Ballard used his name to do

immoral things. Talk about projection here. They're using his name to do the immoral thing of lying about me, his

best friend, one of his best friends, and lying about him, right? Because if you know the Ballard, the most Christlike man I've ever met,

right? My daughter was ill in the hospital. bullshit. Something bad happened to her and he he ran over from his office to

give her a blessing. That's how this is how close he is to us. Okay? To think that he would cut me off without saying a thing, not asking a single question. I

was knocked off my horse by this statement. No bishop came to me. No state president came to me. Talk about being Matthew 18 compliant.

Right. I mean, so I'm I'm sitting in and then I did an interview with Catherine and she explained

Katherine's Call: Elder Completely Dumbfounded

that's right. She she called Elder Ballard right after this happened and he was completely

dumbfounded. He said, "What are you talking about? Where's this article? I didn't say anything. I didn't cut you guys off. Obviously picked the phone

up." He's heartbroken. They They use his name in vain. It's horrifying. They They use Jesus's name in vain and his name in

vain. To say he cut us off is to say he's the devil himself that can't follow the simple scripture of Matthew 5,

Matthew 18 about how you reconcile with your brother. He would never do that. But they they got themselves stuck by

accusing him, trying to hit me and accidentally defaming him by using his name in vain against me.

It's it's it's evil. It's evil on every level they did. It's and this offends

people, but I'm sorry. It's the truth. This is what Jesus is talking about fair behavior. We can talk about all the people that were being extorted. I

believe that if they didn't do this, they were threatened that Elder Ballard was going to be sued. My wife was sued for sexual assault because she defended

me. Matt Cooper was sued for sexual assault because he didn't take the offer to be extorted. Matt Cooper and he refused to Matt Cooper was

one of the women suing me who's her case has been dismissed. She's going to get demolished in my defamation. I've sued everybody. But yeah, I mean people, the

bottom line is people threatened you, they threatened me. People were extorted left and right. Um, and look, we're at

5% exposure. We're just getting started. It's all coming out. It had to come out. It had to come out. This has to be cleansed. Kids are being hurt. I am

tired of going into countries and including this one here in Syria wondering if I'm going to have to contend with Doug Anderson and and his

crew that decided to do this thing to me. Okay. So, the statement said that Elder Ballard had had cut me off. Not

"Never Did Projects with Church" - Provable Lie

 

 

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[Calm]

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true. That I had used his name in more. You know, they use his name immorally. They use his name against his will to

defame me. Okay, so that's projection at at its max. They also said, and this is

I don't know why they thought the lemon was worth the squeeze. I'm sorry. I don't know if they thought the juice was worth the squeeze, right?

Sorry, it's it's like two in the morning here for this live, but they decided to just double down even further to Vice News and say that

Tim Ballard has never done projects associated with the church. That's interesting. except for the uh in

my my my bestselling books, the hypothesis theories, which I stand by. My testimony in those books are real,

even more so than ever. Um I I did projects specifically with Elder Brennar. Elder Brennar asked me to come

Elder Renlund & Bednar Projects

talk to him and consult with him in his office about the Porter Prince Haiti temple dedication. I knew a lot about

Haiti. I also had my own d provided security for him and he invited me to the dedication inside. Is that a project

with the church? Elder Renland asked me to come to his office and I did and to consult on on charitable giving around

children uh along with church philanthropies. Uh I met Elder Renland in Haiti at a different occasion and

helped him with some things there. Uh Elder Ballard endless projects, endless documented

projects. In fact, Russell Brunson, good friend of mine, uh Clickfunnels, he was so upset by the defamation about me

saying that I've never did products associated with the church. He said, "Wait a minute." He came on, God bless him. He said, "This is a lie." He's

like, "Elder Ballard called me," which is true. Called him said, "Will you come help me and Tim Ballard with a project and he came I won't tell you what the

product is, but so it's it's the lie is was so defelible, right?"

Yeah. So then what happens is um they do something really really dumb. is this cabal I'll say uh because the same day

Sept 15: 70 Church References Erased

September 15th 2023 when they defamed me they they the news also reported without

doing a little context analysis but they reported including the church influence media uh they said that the church has

erased 70 references or something to Tim Ballard's his articles to use it to hit

me over the head see how much they don't like him see how much they well what in fact they were doing was covering up the

defamation covering up the lie because it wasn't like I wrote 70 articles for the church. Those references to me were

in direct reference to my projects associated with the church. Okay, that they just said I didn't do. So they they

didn't even give themselves like a week of plausible deniability, which I found interesting. Like on the same day they're lying, they're covering up the

lie. Okay, there's books, there's things the whole thing Desert News knows darn well that I that I did projects

associated with the church because it was on their stage. It was on Desert Enterprises stage. It was their publishing company. It was their stage

timeout for women. I was a paid speaker for 3 years.

“The statement was in response to documents obtained by Vice News detailing a criminal investigation into Ballard in which he reportedly called himself the Mormon Messiah and spoke with a psychic to communicate with the prophet Nephi for intel on how to rescue children……

"Mormon Messiah" & "Channeling Nephi" Lies

So, let me just say, Troy, and you know the truth of this, I never channeled to the prophet Nephi. Okay? They just took

something from the many, many lies. They could have said I was a pedophile. They said I was a pedophile. They said I was a trafficker. just picked a a few things

that that looks crazy of the million lies about me. But you know as well as anyone, I've never attempted to channel

the prophet Nephi. That's never happened. These are liars and they will say or do anything to keep

the whitewashed on the walls. And I want to add this that not only were they covering up their defamation by removing

the very references that they said didn't exist, but now that they are

being looked at for criminal interference of a federal election, now

this act could very well be criminal evidence tampering. I mean, I I find

more projects with the church than anyone who's not an employee or has a full-time calling in the church. That's

the crazyness of it. So, to make matters worse, guys, you got to understand, I'm

I'm in front of the hotel in Boston. I remember where I was about to start this tour to bear testimony of the Book of Mormon. And I get this statement emailed

to me from Vice News saying that we're attributing this to the Church of Jesus Christ, Doug Anderson, and it's coming

out tomorrow. I thought they were baiting me. I couldn't believe it. I said the church would never do this. Like, obviously. I was laughing. I

called my wife and she was like, "This is so funny. They're trying to bait me into saying something about the church. Well, I'm not going to do it, but I thought I'm just going to be careful

here. Okay. I'm going to be careful. So, uh, I I make a phone call with with a

friend of mine, Ken Kro. Yeah. And he he called the person at the So, he he calls with me. I'm in Boston

standing outside. We call the director of of uh reputational management for the

church. Okay. I think his name's Darren Wester. Uh, I think that's his name. Uh, I don't I didn't know him before, but

Ken got him on the phone with me, showed him the statement, and and he said,"Tim, this, you know, Brother Wester

said,"Tim, there's no way this is from us. There's no way." For three reasons, he said, "One, it's a lie. Everybody

knows you've done project of the church. Elder Ballard wouldn't have cut you off without talking to you because he's an apostle of Jesus Christ, okay? And he

lives the words of Jesus Christ." And third, and this was the most significant to me, he said, "They would never do

this without talking to me, the director of of reputational management, because this will someday land on my desk, and

it's not going to be pretty seen clean up. They would never not talk to me."

He said, "Go to bed in peace." That's his exact words. And I did. He calls Ken the next day and says, "I don't even

know what to say. It is from us. It is from us." So, you can make your own conclusions there. This does this sound

like a righteous process that's going on here, guys? Well, this is when I was Jesus Christ ordered. Absolutely not. And this is when I was

podcasting, too. I was putting out all these videos about you and I woke up in

the middle of the night, asked my wife, and I said, "Vice, Vice News, who owns Vice News? Who owns Vice News?" And I

ran to the computer and I Googled it, and lo and behold, George Soros, six

weeks before the request for comment came out, bought Vice News. And I'm like, is that is that related? Well, we

know George Soros has been involved in some of these human trafficking events

and there you go. So, I don't know if that was, you know, that but why did I

wake up in the middle of the night and wake my wife up and I said, "Oh my gosh, I got to find out who owns Vice News."

Well, you found out, didn't you? Sorry. I got this. We helped the Christian church today and they gave me this beautiful cross. I just saw it in my

Oh, wow. in my in my pack here. Yeah. It's so It's so beautiful. It has um it has

from the Jordan River as rocks from the Jordan River. Oh wow. In here we're doing a lot. The the Christians got beat up just as bad as

the Drews beheadings. Just last night last night a Christian man was was murdered

a mile from where I was. It's horrifying. These are beautiful people. I've been with them all day. I'm

just my heart's just sunk for them. I just saw that in here. So I just want people wondering what that was. It's not

it's not like a a laser gun or something. It's like beautiful crowds.

Hey. So anyway, send me a rock from Jordan one of these days, would you? Just a little rock. Sure. I'll pick up I'll pick up a

handful on my on my way home. Thank you. Thank you. So anyway, let me go through the process here. So I'm I'm now giving a lecture.

Well, he stayed on track for a bit.

Boils down to no one who should have known about the denunciation if it was valid and properly done knew about the denunciation before it was released, very suspicious timing because it occurred right before TB was going to save the world (yes, very much overstating his claims, but it still feels like the vibe he is giving off to me), and the money trail leads back to George Soros, a known associate of human traffickers, if not one himself (that is the implication he made, correct?)

I do think church people (I assume under instruction from the 12 at least, but could be wrong) went too far in distancing the Church from Ballard’s stuff.  I also think he inflated how much he was involved with the Church. He claims to be the most involved with the Church of anyone not employed by the Church.  My guess is Huntsman and some others have had more projects.  I also don’t see Deseretbook as “the Church”, it’s a for profit venture where things get published and sold that aren’t correlated.  It publishes romances, for goodness sake.

And no one said he channeled Nephi, they said it was reported he used a psychic who did so (wasn’t there a recording of this individual?).

And him saying he won a court case as if it exonerated him…pretty sure it just ruled the evidence unlawfully obtained, not untrue.

”Two of the other cases against Ballard have been dismissed, one under a new Utah law aimed at protecting Utahns from being sued for exercising their free speech rights and the other after a judge found a liability waiver prevented the woman from suing.

Although none of the cases have so far been resolved on the merits…”

https://www.ksl.com/article/51348970/utah-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-tim-ballard-says-plaintiff-improperly-accessed-documents

He says he’s forgiven everyone involved.  Yeah, don’t really buy that from the way he sounds and the language he uses.  He has issues with that Stake President at the very least.

I find his appealing to signs right and left and publicizing them rather than keeping them in his heart problematic.

Edited October 23, 2025 by Calm

[Calm]

If someone can find a link to the ruling on the case, I want to check if the judge really says there was nothing in the emails anyway. 

Celeste Borys, et al. v. Timothy Ballard, et al., No. 230907663, filed October 10, 202

[Calm]

I have a question for believers that popped into my head after watching two hours of his criticism of individuals in the Church.

He makes a big deal about following proper procedure, doing what is outlined in scripture as the process, etc, but he refuses to accept the ruling and assumes that his appeals had not reached Pres. Nelson.  Maybe he thinks Pres Nelson was in a cocoon oblivious to what is going on quite publicly.  He also appears to believe the apostles are all good men, implying if they knew what was going on, they would back him.  Or that none would have reached out to Elder Ballard or his family during the last few weeks of his life to check to see if the statement was by him or not if the Director released it without approval from higher ups.  All decent people he loves, respects and follows…yet somehow they have done nothing for two years to try and find out the truth, because surely good men who had the authority and ability to do so would do so?

I really would like to hear his explanation on why the First Presidency and 12 are okay with their underlings erasing a member’s contribution and somehow some guy not even in the line of priesthood authority (the directorship is a job, is it not, not a calling?) convincing a member’s priesthood leader into excommunicating him.  Aren’t the First Presidency reading public statements released in the name of the Church?  Is there not one faithful member among all those surrounding the First Presidency and Apostles who would call the scandal to their attention even if they were that isolated they never watched or read local news?  This was huge when it came out.   Doesn’t make sense.  At the very least the Director would need to explain why there was such an odd statement released.  Did he forge Elder Ballard’s handwriting to offer proof that it was from Elder Ballard?  If so, why wouldn’t Elder Ballard say “not mine, guys”?

Anyway, back to my original question….TB states he hasn’t broken his covenants so he doesn’t have to obey the instructions of his local leader.  (Specifically about not wearing garments, he shows himself wearing them to demonstrate he is still a faithful member.)

——How many of you believe he is approaching his excommunication properly as a faithful member in the case of assuming he is telling the truth? (Thought experiment, you can imagine someone who was excommunicated based on lies and what would be the appropriate way to respond to unrighteous dominion by immediate priesthood leaders and lack of response from higher ups.). Does someone have the authorization by the spirit to ignore priesthood instruction when it is unfair or would it be more appropriate for a truly faithful member to accept in humility such instruction, while attempting to appeal the excommunication, etc?  Is it part of his covenant to accept the limitations even if working to remove them?  
 

The reason this question occurred to me is he is refusing to participate in rebaptism because it would legitimize the claimed coverup.  He says they have only taken away his temple access.  I wonder if he is taking the sacrament.  He was instructed to not wear garments, but he is ignoring that instruction and very publicly.

I wish Smac was still posting.  I would be very interested to hear his opinion on TB’s choice to go public and sue his SP, the Director, and others for defamation if (and it’s a massive if that I see as highly, highly unlikely) TB’s story was actually true given what Smac has said in the past about how to go about resolving disputes.

Edited October 23, 2025 by Calm

[Calm]

One last point.  He claims that Pres Ballard was going to correct things on the next Monday, which would have been the 18th.  But nothing happened.  How does he explain that?

Pres. Ballard appears to have been coherent enough to respond since he even spoke in conference two weeks after the statement was released (and it was a beautiful, heartfelt talk).  So how was he silenced?

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2023/10/41ballard?lang=eng

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[Calm]

Finished.  Armchair analysis—he likely has serious sleep deprivation which could explain the bouncing around, etc, but I would not be surprised if he has ADHD as well aggravated by the sleep deprivation (he reminds me of some loved ones who have it and get rather intense and unfocused). I would advise him not to give podcasts when lacking sleep as it’s not a great confidence builder in his stability. And it made his frequent protestations he had forgiven all totally unbelievable to me.  Especially at the end when he is opening condemning leaders for retaining the director on the Church’s payroll  after TB claims he proved the Director was a liar.

The Host and Ballard were going on about how they were going to ask the hard questions, the nitty gritty, and had all the answers at the beginning…I only came up with more questions.  

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[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

Finished.  Armchair analysis—he likely has serious sleep deprivation which explains the bouncing around, etc, but I would not be surprised if he has ADHD as well aggravated by the sleep deprivation (he reminds me of some loved ones who have it and get rather intense and unfocused). I would advise him not to give podcasts when lacking sleep as it’s not a great confidence builder in his stability. And it made his frequent protestations he had forgiven all totally unbelievable to me.  Especially at the end when he is opening condemning leaders for retaining the director on the Church’s payroll  after TB claims he proved the Director was a liar.

The Host and Ballard were going on about how they were going to ask the hard questions, the nitty gritty, and had all the answers at the beginning…I only came up with more questions.  

I suspect recreational drug use. His mannerisms and his megalomania might have been created or exacerbated by it.

[The Nehor]

8 hours ago, Calm said:

Well, he stayed on track for a bit.

Boils down to no one who should have known about the denunciation if it was valid and properly done knew about the denunciation before it was released, very suspicious timing because it occurred right before TB was going to save the world (yes, very much overstating his claims, but it still feels like the vibe he is giving off to me), and the money trail leads back to George Soros, a known associate of human traffickers, if not one himself (that is the implication he made, correct?)

George Soros is a common antisemite bogeyman. He is a billionaire philanthropist. To the nutty he is also part of a secret cabal bent on world domination and the destruction of everything good and pure because he is a wealthy Jew. Talking about Soros being behind something is an anti-Semite dogwhistle.

8 hours ago, Calm said:

I do think they went too far in distancing the Church from Ballard’s stuff.  I also think he inflated how much he was involved with the Church. He claims to be the most involved with the Church of anyone not employed by the Church.  My guess is Huntsman and some others have had more projects.  I also don’t see Deseretbook as the Church, it’s a for profit venture where things get published and sold that aren’t correlated.  It publishes romances, for goodness sake.

And no one said he channeled Nephi, they said it was reported he used a psychic who did so (wasn’t there a recording of this individual?).

He did use a psychic. She was talked about here before. She was a nut.

8 hours ago, Calm said:

And him saying he won a court case as if it exonerated him…pretty sure it just ruled the evidence unlawfully obtained, not untrue.

”Two of the other cases against Ballard have been dismissed, one under a new Utah law aimed at protecting Utahns from being sued for exercising their free speech rights and the other after a judge found a liability waiver prevented the woman from suing.

Although none of the cases have so far been resolved on the merits…”

Yeah, many people are morally terrible but can’t be convicted of anything.

8 hours ago, Calm said:

https://www.ksl.com/article/51348970/utah-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-tim-ballard-says-plaintiff-improperly-accessed-documents

He says he’s forgiven everyone involved.  Yeah, don’t really buy that from the way he sounds and the language he uses.  He has issues with that Stake President at the very least.

I find his appealing to signs right and left and publicizing them rather than keeping them in his heart problematic.

Sounds like garden variety megalomania to me. Unrealistic plans (being president and/or prophet), recklessness, and being very intrusive. Excessive self-confidence and a superiority complex. Thinks the rules don’t apply to him. Checks a lot of the boxes.

[Calm]

6 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Unrealistic plans (being president and/or prophet),

I am pretty sure this was more rumor than solid info and therefore may not have come from him or been shared by him, so at this point best not to include it in any analysis.  Might try looking for it. 

Edited October 23, 2025 by Calm

[Tacenda]

13 hours ago, bluebell said:

I'm really wondering if he has some form of mental illness.  

He and the whole group (too political), do.

[bluebell]

12 hours ago, Calm said:

 

None of this really makes sense.  If Trump was going to use him, why didn't he use him?  Ballard didn't need to be a senator for that to happen.  Trump doesn't care what the news thinks of the people that he chooses to let into his circle, and Ballard remained pretty popular in conservative circles after Sounds of Freedom, even with the fallout.  Nothing that happened to Ballard was a nail in the coffin for Trump's alleged plans.

And if Elder Ballard is the amazing Christian that Tim is claiming, why didn't he stand up for Tim?  Why remain silent if the press and the church is saying things about their relationship that is completely fabricated?  That's not what a Christian man does, that's what a slimey man does.  Tim is throwing Elder Ballard under the bus to save himself without wanting to admit that's what he's doing. 

And if the church is this corrupt, why does Ballard want to be a member??  Why did he fight his excommunication?

[bluebell]

10 hours ago, Calm said:

I have a question for believers that popped into my head after watching two hours of his criticism of individuals in the Church.

He makes a big deal about following proper procedure, doing what is outlined in scripture as the process, etc, but he refuses to accept the ruling and assumes that his appeals had not reached Pres. Nelson.  Maybe he thinks Pres Nelson are in a cocoon obvious to what is going on quite publicly.  He also appears to believe the apostles are all good men, implying if they knew what was going on, they would back him.  Or that none would have reached out to Elder Ballard or his family during the last few weeks of his life to check to see if the statement was by him or not if the Director released it without approval from higher ups.

I really would like to hear his explanation on why the First Presidency and 12 are okay with their underlings erasing a member’s contribution and somehow some guy not even in the line of priesthood authority (the directorship is a job, is it not, not a calling?) convincing a member’s priesthood leader into excommunicating him.  Aren’t the First Presidency reading statements released in the name of the Church?  Is there not one faithful member among all those surrounding the First Presidency and Apostles who would call the scandal to their attention?  Doesn’t make sense.  At the very least the Director would need to explain why there was such an odd statement released.  Did he forge Elder Ballard’s handwriting to offer proof that it was from Elder Ballard?

Anyway, back to my question….TB states he hasn’t broken his covenants so he doesn’t have to obey the instructions of his local leader.  (Specifically about not wearing garments, he shows himself wearing them to demonstrate he is still a faithful member.)

How many of you believe he is approaching his excommunication properly as a faithful member of you assume he is telling the truth?  Does he have the authorization by the spirit to ignore priesthood instruction because it is unfair (if he is right) or would it be more appropriate to accept in humility such instruction, while attempting to appeal the excommunication, etc?  Is it part of his covenant to accept the limitations even if working to remove them?  He is refusing to participate in rebaptism because it would legitimize the claimed coverup.  He says they have only taken away his temple access.  I wonder if he is taking the sacrament 

I wish Smac was still posting.  I would be very interested to hear his opinion on TB’s choice to go public and sue his SP, the Director, and others for defamation if (and it’s a massive if that I see as highly, highly unlikely) TB’s story was actually true given what he has said in the past about how to go about resolving disputes.

@smac97, are you checking in every now and then?  We'd love to hear your thoughts on this topic.

[MustardSeed]

Not diagnosing but you might be interested to know a little more about Grandiose Personality Disorder. (it’s a real category from DSM, not some TikTok buzz word off TikTok lol) 

Edited October 23, 2025 by MustardSeed

[Calm]

1 hour ago, bluebell said:

Nothing that happened to Ballard was a nail in the coffin for Trump's alleged plans.

Right….Why would Trump care if he had misused Elder Ballard’s name or emotionally coerced women into sleeping with him?  Nothing in the statement seems like it would matter to those working on rescuing children etc. who were supportive of TB before the statement was released unless they were LDS for the most part based on how the conservatives who backed Trump have responded to accusations of sexual misconduct.

OTOH, accusations made elsewhere that TB was bungling the rescue stuff, likely causing kids who were not trafficked before to get trafficked while not providing follow-up care to prevent them being dropped back into it should have had a major impact.  There was evidence some countries’ LEOs weren’t working with him anymore (assuming they did to begin with). Surely these types of accusations would have had much more impact on the rescues than a statement about morality and misuse of a leader’s name of a church few cared about.

Besides his critics seeing the Church’s statement as further evidence he was a self centered jerk, what would have been the actual effect outside of LDS circles of the accusations, I wonder.  Yes, it lost him the Senate race, but if he had become a senator, he wouldn’t have been doing rescues anymore himself, so he can’t believably claim the statement mucked up something he was withdrawing from anyway, imo…at least once he won.  I suspect he would have staged a rescue if he needed a numbers raiser if the polls started looking bad for him.

In the end, the Sound of Freedom movie and his work had given him a solid base outside of the LDS community.  Is there any evidence the rest of the Christian community dropped him?  I wasn’t paying attention and have only seen his promos which seem to show support for him.

LDS were a great part of his infrastructure.  I wonder what percentage of financial support came from Saints.  I can see the statement making things hard for a time, stalling him while he reorganized things, but changing people’s attitudes outside church members….was that a thing?

[Calm]

2 hours ago, bluebell said:

That's not what a Christian man does

Especially if Pres Ballard truly considered him as a “son, a grandson”…which I wouldn’t be the least surprised if he did as that explains the unusual emotion and personal nature of the statement better than anything else imo.

The only thing I can think of if TB was innocent (don’t believe that obviously) is the cabal (TB’s word for them) was able to convince Pres Ballard that the accusations were true….that whiteboard photo is pretty convincing as is the silence from TB about it when he is so vocal about everything else, but it would still be odd Pres Ballard would have just gone along with it if the Director had lied about his involvement.  Surely the Director would have been released (intentionally not using his name since I believe TB is slandering him).

Also TB is ignoring he had to resign three months previously from OUR or was he painting that as his choice and nothing to do with allegations (can’t remember), but him not working with OUR seems a bigger problem for him to me.

Edited October 23, 2025 by Calm

[teddyaware]

2 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Not diagnosing but you might be interested to know a little more about Grandiose Personality Disorder. (it’s a real category from DSM, not some TikTok buzz word off TikTok lol) 

When Tim Ballard’s lawsuit is fully presented and litigated in a court of law, where verifiable evidence and full disclosure of all the evidence reign supreme, It will likely be quickly determined if he’s an arrogant, bald-faced bloviator, or if he’s an innocent man who has boldly chosen to pursue a provable case of character assassination. Until then, many of the comments on this thread will amount to the prejudicial surmisings of those who, for whatever reason, desperately need to believe Tim Ballard is guilty, even before all the evidence is heard, litigated and adjudicated. To put it gently, these are the kinds of people who would have to excuse themselves from jury duty on this case.

But one thing’s for sure, if Doug Anderson isn’t able to present evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that proves M Russell Ballard did indeed condemn and withdraw his support from Tim Ballard — in contradiction to Katherine Ballard’s claimed phone conversation with an allegedly still supportive M Russell Ballard — then Tim will likely be able to prove his case and some highly placed church employees will be proven to be either scheming liars or the victims of some kind of deception.

But conversely, if Tim Ballad’s case is proven to be based on nothing more than the audacious fantasies of fevered and delusional mind, his life and reputation will be ruined for the remainder of his life on earth. For those who are fair minded, it’s now time to reserve judgement and allow the legal process to unfold.

But it must also be said it’s highly likely that for the unfair even a full legal vindication of Tim Ballard, based provable evidence, will not be enough to prevent  them from considering him to still be fully worthy of the slander and grossly unfair character assassination he endured because they simply don’t like the way he thinks. This attitude can be summed up in not caring in the slightest if a conservative is wrongfully convicted of a murder he didn’t commit because, after all, he’s a lowlife who doesn’t deserve fairness or due process under the Constitution of the United States.

Edited October 23, 2025 by teddyaware

[Calm]

2 hours ago, bluebell said:

And if the church is this corrupt, why does Ballard want to be a member??  Why did he fight his excommunication?

His explanation is the Restored Gospel is true no matter what, it belongs to Jesus who is constantly by his side and he hasn’t lost his faith in that.  And his watchmen analogy….even though that has been used for apostles iirc, he seems to be suggesting it’s lower level functionaries that are not doing their job (one of the Church lawyers was named, the man at Reputation Management who was originally on his side telling him it was a lie according to TB’s story has to have sided with the cabal because nothing was heard from him later).  
 

It is only when he gets to the Director that did him wrong is still at his job two years later that there is any hint of feeling betrayed by general church leadership rather than church employees, but he doesn’t get specific.

He is ignoring in his public reasoning the implications about church leadership.  Somehow they are as good as they ever were, he is removing them from the decision process.  His portrayal of the Church spiritual side and the administration of it seems to have removed the 15 from any responsibility for the acts of those they employed. 

Doesn’t make sense to anyone else unless they want to believe it, I am guessing.  I suppose there are those who believe church leadership who had oversight did nothing when Ensign Peaks got into trouble with the SEC, didn’t even ask questions, just allowed their deputies to choose how to do the work whatever way they want.

[Calm]

4 hours ago, teddyaware said:

those who, for whatever reason, desperately need to believe Tim Ballard is guilty

Oh my gosh, you don’t know how much I wish he was innocent and all a simple misunderstanding because having a very public Saint who was a hero to so many in the conservative arena would have helped them be more accepting of us, imo, and I want everyone to be friends.  I really liked him to begin with.  I thought the idea of the movie was cool (I had no idea that the rescues OUR did were problematic) and didn’t really care that like most movies based on real events, it wasn’t that true to life..

And if Pres Ballard had spoken up and said “I got things wrong and falsely accused Tim, who is a good man”—which I think he would have done given the good man Pres Ballard was—it could have been that simple misunderstanding about the finances.  But Pres Ballard didn’t even though he was fully capable of doing so and that pretty much sealed the deal.  It’s either Tim Ballard is a liar or Elder Ballard is a liar in my analysis. I know who has the better track record.

As far as the sexual misconduct accusations goes, I was still open to it being a misguided attempt, someone trying to sabotage his efforts for some reason (didn’t have to be a trafficking/pedophile cabal, but could be a rival rescue group worried about losing funding, the women could be fanatic liberals or persuaded by such who saw TB as a political threat, or a rival candidate, even some good but misguided people who thought he was doing more damage than aid to children and were hoping to shut down all rescue groups of those types by discrediting the biggest/best known), but Glen Beck—who was very proTB and highly unlikely to be persuaded by any anti conservatives as far as I can tell—turning against TB saying he had seen the evidence and believed the women solidly shifted me over rather than left me wondering if the allegations were true or not.

Even so, if it comes out the women lied and they admit that or it’s somehow proven, I will be very happy because even if those women will suffer because they chose deception, I see it as less traumatic for them in the long run even if they go broke in the lawsuits than being sexually abused.  I don’t want anyone to go through that.  It messes people up deeply.  I don’t think I have ever preferred the idea someone was actually abused vs made it up. Actual abuse is inherently more tragic imo, to those involved, victims, perpetrators, and loved ones of both, even if false accusations can destroy lives of innocent people and not just the accused.

Edited October 23, 2025 by Calm

[ttribe]

On 10/13/2025 at 5:19 PM, ttribe said:

Pretty sure one of them (not you) is right here on this board....

 

55 minutes ago, teddyaware said:

When Tim Ballard’s lawsuit is fully presented and litigated in a court of law, where verifiable evidence and full disclosure of all the evidence reign supreme, It will likely be quickly determined if he’s an arrogant, bald-faced bloviator, or if he’s an innocent man who has boldly chosen to pursue a provable case of character assassination. Until then, many of the comments on this thread will amount to the prejudicial surmisings of those who, for whatever reason, desperately need to believe Tim Ballard is guilty, even before all the evidence is heard, litigated and adjudicated. To put it gently, these are the kinds of people who would have to excuse themselves from jury duty on this case.

But one thing’s for sure, if Doug Anderson isn’t able to present evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that proves M Russell Ballard did indeed condemn and withdraw his support from Tim Ballard — in contradiction to Katherine Ballard’s claimed phone conversation with an allegedly still supportive M Russell Ballard — then Tim will likely be able to prove his case and some highly placed church employees will be proven to be either scheming liars or the victims of some kind of deception.

But conversely, if Tim Ballad’s case is proven to be based on nothing more than the audacious fantasies of fevered and delusional mind, his life and reputation will be ruined for the remainder of his life on earth. For those who are fair minded, it’s now time to reserve judgement and allow the legal process to unfold.

But it must also be said it’s highly likely that for the unfair even a full legal vindication of Tim Ballard, based provable evidence, will not be enough to prevent  them from considering him to still be fully worthy of the slander and grossly unfair character assassination he endured because they simply don’t like the way he thinks. This attitude can be summed up in not caring in the slightest if a conservative is wrongfully convicted of a murder he didn’t commit because, after all, he’s a lowlife who doesn’t deserve fairness or due process under the Constitution of the United States.

Ahhhh, there you are! Surprised it took you so long to chime in!