Tim Ballard's New Rants About the Church

[Calm]

35 minutes ago, Pyreaux said:

The SPEAR Fund's own press releases and official documents identify him in this role. The organization is described as one that funds and collaborates with a coalition of experts and organizations to end human trafficking. Court documents related to lawsuits also name him as being associated with The SPEAR Fund.

https://thespearfund.org/montana-event/

There appears to be an anomaly. The Tim Ballard Foundation is a new iteration of his anti-trafficking work, but his current primary non-profit affiliation is with The SPEAR Fund. Tim Ballard's personal website says it was launched "Friday, September 26, 2025 at 4:32:46 PM" established in multiple countries, globally, where Tim continues to partner with government leaders and law enforcement in the fight against human trafficking." Without further information (like a registered 501(c)(3) status under this name or details on its activities beyond a website mention), it is hard to definitively confirm it exists as a fully distinct and operational entity separate from The SPEAR Fund, or if it is a rebranded or future name for his efforts.

OUR used the Sound of Freedom movie in their promos even though they had no connection to it, iirc.

He may still have a contract with them or they just may be reluctant to lose his name, but he’s not promoting them that I can (quickly) see.

Google pulls up only their website for a search on their name and “Tim Ballard” in the last month.  OTOH, for the last month there are over ten pages of “Tim Ballard foundation”, most possibly from TB’s instagram.  My guess is he has moved on to something he has more personal control over and doesn’t have to share the donations with others’ projects or pockets.

Since he sees Trump as a great example, he may be channeling Trump when choosing the name for his foundation.

Edited October 11, 2025 by Calm

[Calm]

He is definitely pitching the fear angle.  From FB, 5 hrs ago…

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What will America look like in 10 years? 20 years?

Keep Leftists, Lukewarms, Wokism, and political Islam OUT of power and influence over our promised land, unless you all want your grandkids to live in a meme like this.

Then there is a clip of different countries decades ago showing western dressed women and today showing them with  Muslim head coverings, etc.  So it’s not only pedophiles running deep state, but radical Islam determined to take over America he’s situating himself as fighting against.

[The Nehor]

37 minutes ago, Calm said:

He is definitely pitching the fear angle.  From FB, 5 hrs ago…

Then there is a clip of different countries decades ago showing western dressed women and today showing them with  Muslim head coverings, etc.  So it’s not only pedophiles running deep state, but radical Islam determined to take over America he’s situating himself as fighting against.

He is gonna keep burning bridges. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up in Russia in a few years appealing to their thrilling propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot_MO0-oZdc

[Pyreaux]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

Do we know what the actual bill was besides free advertising for the movie and Ballard?  It appears to have been made into law in one state, Alabama, but the press release just says first degree trafficking a minor has the penalty of a mandatory life sentence.  I don’t see the Church trying to stop that.

What is the Church's philosophy of criminal justice? The proportionality in sentencing, sometimes called the "proportionality principle" or the "grading of offenses" is to reserve the most severe penalties, like a life sentence or the death penalty (where applicable), for the most egregious crimes, namely murder and sometimes other exceptionally heinous offenses like terrorism or large-scale treason. Without a clear hierarchy of punishment, the moral gravity and social condemnation attached to the most severe crimes are diminished.

Then is the Marginal Deterrent Effect. If the penalty for a felony, is already a very long prison term (e.g., 50 years, effectively a life sentence), the marginal cost of elevating the crime to murder (by eliminating victims/witnesses) is perceived as minimal. If the bank robber is already facing a potential life sentence (e.g., 60 years or "three strikes" application), the marginal deterrent from committing murder (still a life sentence) is reduced to near zero. Why risk capture and a certain life sentence for robbery, only to not eliminate the witnesses when doing so carries little to no increased punishment risk but significantly reduces the chance of apprehension?

The "Sound of Freedom Act" in Alabama illustrates a political and moral choice to prioritize "retribution" and "absolute deterrence" for child human trafficking, even at the expense of marginal deterrence principles. The underlying crime, Human Trafficking in the First Degree, was already a Class A felony, which previously carried a sentence of 10 to 99 years or life (all dependent on your record, your exact role in the enterprise, cooperating with law enforcement, etc). The central issue with the "Sound of Freedom Act," from a marginal deterrence perspective, is that it sets the punishment for child trafficking equal to or near the maximum penalty for murder.

The apparent intent is to make the punishment for the exploitation of a child so severe (retribution) that it functions as an absolute deterrent to the initial crime of trafficking, regardless of the implications for marginal deterrence against homicide. The philosophy of marginal deterrence argues that if a trafficker is facing a guaranteed life sentence for the trafficking act itself, they have little to lose by eliminating the victim (murder) if they believe it would reduce the chance of capture and conviction. The maximum penalty is already reached by the lesser crime.

Edited October 11, 2025 by Pyreaux

[blackstrap]

I may have seen this movie before. " The Ballard of Jonesing Wails "  🥴

[bsjkki]

He seems off his rocker crazy in that ranting video. Had to watch it for myself. 
 

The evidence for criminal wrong doing is scant and with the cases being tossed due to technicalities, it provides cover for his accusations. I wish more text messages would be released publicly because that seems to be where the hard evidence is found. 

He still does have people who believe this was a conspiracy against him. 

 

[ttribe]

26 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

He seems off his rocker crazy in that ranting video. Had to watch it for myself. 
 

The evidence for criminal wrong doing is scant and with the cases being tossed due to technicalities, it provides cover for his accusations. I wish more text messages would be released publicly because that seems to be where the hard evidence is found. 

He still does have people who believe this was a conspiracy against him. 

 

Pretty sure one of them (not you) is right here on this board....

[ZealouslyStriving]

So...

Apparently Troy Ables from "The Last Dispensation" YouTube channel has interviewed Ballard. Ballard claims he is being misunderstood and that he is talking about "middle-management" and not Church leaders. Video should drop soon.

[Calm]

3 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

So...

Apparently Troy Ables from "The Last Dispensation" YouTube channel has interviewed Ballard. Ballard claims he is being misunderstood and that he is talking about "middle-management" and not Church leaders. Video should drop soon.

So leaders are just lacking in discernment and incompetent. (Ballard is implying this as I am assuming he isn’t saying leaders are also corrupt, which they would be if they knew about the conspiracy and did nothing to stop it; so instead they are clueless, not inspired and not paying very close attention).

Edited October 14, 2025 by Calm

[ZealouslyStriving]

11 minutes ago, Calm said:

So leaders are just lacking in discernment and incompetent. (Ballard is implying this as I am assuming he isn’t saying leaders are also corrupt, which they would be if they knew about the conspiracy and did nothing to stop it; so instead they are clueless, not inspired and not paying very close attention).

It will be interesting to hear how he tries to spin it, for sure.

[ttribe]

On 10/13/2025 at 11:25 PM, ZealouslyStriving said:

So...

Apparently Troy Ables from "The Last Dispensation" YouTube channel has interviewed Ballard. Ballard claims he is being misunderstood and that he is talking about "middle-management" and not Church leaders. Video should drop soon.

Sounds like he realizes he was a little too honest and now he's trying to avoid losing his LDS supporters. Candidly, he looks like he's trying to court two different groups of people with very different beliefs.

[Pyreaux]

Tim is Making Demands

Tim Ballard demands that the Church publicly retract its denouncement of him (the statement that alleged M. Russell Ballard disavowed him for "morally unacceptable behavior"), his excommunication and to acknowledge the devastating harm their statements inflicted on him, his family, colleagues, livelihood, and the work of rescuing trafficked women and children worldwide.

The primary target is the Director of Media Relations, who allegedly used the "dying apostle's name without authorization" to release a statement that "was not protocol" and was a "coordinated attack".

Attempting to start a social media movement with the hashtag #retract.

If We Don't Comply He Will Expose Us

If the Church does not comply with his demands, Tim Ballard's plan is to single-handedly bring down the Church.

In a two plus hour ranting conspiracy theory, he will "fire nuclear missiles at everybody who's wronged him." His leverage for this action comes from what he claims are "new revelations about very sinister things that were happening in the Mormon church". He warns of consequences for the conspirators, stating "literally people in this conspiracy will be going to jail". He claims to have "only got like 10% of the story out"

What Tim Plans to Expose (I Guess)

Based on context and his stated leverage, Tim Ballard will likely try to expose a cover-up of:

Satanism - He has already been quoted as publicly saying the Mormon church is involved in "satanic child sex abuse" and that it has members that are "satanic child sacrificing losers". This seems to be the core of the "revelation" he is using as a threat.

The People Behind his Downfall - He apparently hinted at exposing who he believes is "the true prophet" and who is behind the actions against him, because he claims Elder Ballard was unaware of the denouncement. I say hinted, as he doesn't say it in the clips, rather the host of the video mentions Tim Ballard having a revelation about who the "prophet of the Mormon church" truly is, suggesting "It's not the first presidency." 

Edited October 22, 2025 by Pyreaux

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, Pyreaux said:

Tim is Making Demands

Tim Ballard demands that the Church publicly retract its denouncement of him (the statement that alleged M. Russell Ballard disavowed him for "morally unacceptable behavior"), his excommunication and to acknowledge the devastating harm their statements inflicted on him, his family, colleagues, livelihood, and the work of rescuing trafficked women and children worldwide.

The primary target is the Director of Media Relations, who allegedly used the "dying apostle's name without authorization" to release a statement that "was not protocol" and was a "coordinated attack".

Attempting to start a social media movement with the hashtag #retract.

If We Don't Comply He Will Expose Us

If the Church does not comply with his demands, Tim Ballard's plan is to single-handedly bring down the Church.

In a two plus hour ranting conspiracy theory, he will "fire nuclear missiles at everybody who's wronged him." His leverage for this action comes from what he claims are "new revelations about very sinister things that were happening in the Mormon church". He warns of consequences for the conspirators, stating "literally people in this conspiracy will be going to jail". He claims to have "only got like 10% of the story out"

What Tim Plans to Expose (I Guess)

Based on context and his stated leverage, Tim Ballard will likely try to expose a cover-up of:

Satanism - He has already been quoted as publicly saying the Mormon church is involved in "satanic child sex abuse" and that it has members that are "satanic child sacrificing losers". This seems to be the core of the "revelation" he is using as a threat.

The People Behind his Downfall - He apparently hinted at exposing who he believes is "the true prophet" and who is behind the actions against him, because he claims Elder Ballard was unaware of the denouncement. I say hinted, as he doesn't say it in the clips, rather the host of the video mentions Tim Ballard having a revelation about who the "prophet of the Mormon church" truly is, suggesting "It's not the first presidency." 

I wonder if people are taking bets that he's the actual prophet. 

Also, if there are child sacrificing satan worshippers in the church, why wouldn't he have already exposed them??  What kind of crap person would keep that a secret to clear his name, especially one who trades on his personal mission to save children??  

[Calm]

Iirc there was a rumor going around that a retired seventy gave TB a blessing that he would one day both be prophet and president of the US.  Sounds too absurd to be true. 
 

Surely the host wouldn’t be going to “it was you, Tim Ballard, you were the prophet all along!”

(If anyone gets the reference here, I will be shocked and amazed)

Edited October 22, 2025 by Calm

[bluebell]

4 minutes ago, Calm said:

Iirc there was a rumor going around that a retired seventy gave TB a blessing that he would one day both be prophet and president of the US.  Sounds too absurd to be true. 
 

Surely the host wouldn’t be going to “it was you, Tim Ballard, you were the prophet all along!”

(If anyone gets the reference here, I will be shocked and amazed)

His wife needs to get him evaluated.

[Calm]

8 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Also, if there are child sacrificing satan worshippers in the church, why wouldn't he have already exposed them??  What kind of crap person would keep that a secret to clear his name, especially one who trades on his personal mission to save children??  

Excellent point. 

He’s talking not only rape, but murder.  I can see giving people a chance to repent privately for less grievous sins such as adultery and fornication, but rape and murder needs to be turned over to police.

[Calm]

1 minute ago, bluebell said:

His wife needs to get him evaluated.

I feel very bad for his children. I hope they are not tied too tightly to his delusions of grandeur like it appears some of Daybell’s kids were. 

[Calm]

On 10/15/2025 at 10:33 AM, ttribe said:

Sounds like he realizes he was a little too honest and now he's trying to avoid losing his LDS supporters. Candidly, he looks like he's trying to court two different groups of people with very different beliefs.

I am not sure “too honest” should be used for TB even as “a little”. 

[bluebell]

46 minutes ago, Calm said:

I am not sure “too honest” should be used for TB even as “a little”. 

I'm really wondering if he has some form of mental illness.  

[Calm]

I hope the Director he libels sues him for defamation, if it isn’t too problematic for the man and his family (I don’t know if TB has supporters who would go to extremes, but at this point if he does, just making this accusation seems to draw a target on the man’s back).  
 

added:  watching the video as long as I can manage, apparently Ballard is saying he plans to take the Director to court.  I will believe that when I see it.

Edited October 23, 2025 by Calm

[Calm]

2 hours ago, bluebell said:

His wife needs to get him evaluated.

His wife is claiming that she talked with Elder Ballard and Elder Ballard denied making the statement, so I don’t see her as a steadying influence on him.

[ZealouslyStriving]

3 hours ago, Pyreaux said:

Tim is Making Demands

Tim Ballard demands that the Church publicly retract its denouncement of him (the statement that alleged M. Russell Ballard disavowed him for "morally unacceptable behavior"), his excommunication and to acknowledge the devastating harm their statements inflicted on him, his family, colleagues, livelihood, and the work of rescuing trafficked women and children worldwide.

The primary target is the Director of Media Relations, who allegedly used the "dying apostle's name without authorization" to release a statement that "was not protocol" and was a "coordinated attack".

Attempting to start a social media movement with the hashtag #retract.

If We Don't Comply He Will Expose Us

If the Church does not comply with his demands, Tim Ballard's plan is to single-handedly bring down the Church.

In a two plus hour ranting conspiracy theory, he will "fire nuclear missiles at everybody who's wronged him." His leverage for this action comes from what he claims are "new revelations about very sinister things that were happening in the Mormon church". He warns of consequences for the conspirators, stating "literally people in this conspiracy will be going to jail". He claims to have "only got like 10% of the story out"

What Tim Plans to Expose (I Guess)

Based on context and his stated leverage, Tim Ballard will likely try to expose a cover-up of:

Satanism - He has already been quoted as publicly saying the Mormon church is involved in "satanic child sex abuse" and that it has members that are "satanic child sacrificing losers". This seems to be the core of the "revelation" he is using as a threat.

The People Behind his Downfall - He apparently hinted at exposing who he believes is "the true prophet" and who is behind the actions against him, because he claims Elder Ballard was unaware of the denouncement. I say hinted, as he doesn't say it in the clips, rather the host of the video mentions Tim Ballard having a revelation about who the "prophet of the Mormon church" truly is, suggesting "It's not the first presidency." 

I guess I'll have to endure watching this. If your summary is accurate (which I don't doubt) I don't know how Troy is being sucked in so far. 🙁

[Calm]

He states there are watchmen on the tower not doing their job, that Isaiah calls them drunkards. 
 

He says there are infiltrators at the level of watchmen as well as good men.

So who are the watchmen?

Edited October 23, 2025 by Calm

[Calm]

So there is not much I can fact-check about what he claims to be doing, but he makes a statement about testifying before congress iirc multiple times as if it’s ongoing, but he last testified Sept 14, 2023 according to google around.  He makes the claim at 37 minutes.

If someone else could check it to make sure I am catching it correctly. I have a very heavy bias against him by now.

Speaking of bias, his words seem to be every ego driven to me, he lists all the good things he and and wife are doing to prove they are faithful saints, he is pretty much always at the center of the videos I was watching (some had warnings on them so I just played took notes and didn’t watch those, so I may have thrown off the balance, but it just seems to me he is using these causes as examples of the good he is doing rather than making them front and center.  In essence, he’s the only one who can do this work so it’s all threatened if people don’t support him, etc.   And it’s all about attacking him so far with the results of what happens to others more of an afterthought. 

Like I said, big bias against him and likely will be forever unless he effectively deals with the Whiteboard photo that has Elder Ballard as a silent partner while he’s claiming he’s never used Elder Ballard’s name for financial reasons.  If anyone has seen him address this issue, which to me amounts to a smoking gun as long as he acts like it doesn’t exist, would love to see it.

Edited October 23, 2025 by Calm

[ttribe]

15 hours ago, Calm said:

I am not sure “too honest” should be used for TB even as “a little”. 

Indeed. I should have marked my comment as sarcasm.

Edited October 23, 2025 by ttribe