Premortal and Post-mortal Activities - what do people do?

[Calm]

On 3/8/2024 at 6:05 PM, ZealouslyStriving said:

It's up to 67 now. 😉

Does anyone who seriously uses them actually claim they are 67 independent genders as opposed to just have a slew of descriptions for a much smaller group of genders, the actual difference being one of focus?

Me calling myself senior in one context doesn’t mean I don’t also identify as female, Californian, math fan, science geek, Tolkien devotee, Legomaniac, Saint and many more.

[Calm]

15 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

And you can identify as an attack helicopter.

I think I will identify as a glider….preferably aloft in the Andes Wave (I think that is what it is called, a glider can get up to incredible altitudes using that, See Perlan Project)

[SeekingUnderstanding]

On 3/8/2024 at 5:44 PM, longview said:

WOW! You can "shapeshift" into any of the 57 genders. Whoo hoo.

 

On 3/8/2024 at 6:05 PM, ZealouslyStriving said:

It's up to 67 now. 😉

Just more evidence of how much Latter-day Saints “LOVE” their queer brothers and sisters. 👍

[Doctor Steuss]

On 3/8/2024 at 4:01 PM, The Nehor said:

You won’t need them. Imagine the games you can play when you can reshape the elements at will.

I heard that the story lines can get a bit glitchy when the NPCs in your MMORPG are actual people.

[Stargazer]

On 3/5/2024 at 3:00 PM, nuclearfuels said:

Born and raised in the Church and in the Covenant here. 

Growing up we were taught that the mortal part of our lives represents only a very small part of our existence:

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The line before the break = premortal life. The break = mortality. The post break = post-mortal life, eternal progression, exaltation, salvation only in and through the Savior, Jesus Christ. 

Curious - and looking for more research on this topic: What do people do pre-mortally and post-mortally, particularly in the Spirit World?

My own thoughts on what people might do:

- Progress, at their own pace (pre and post-mortally)

- Attend Birth Farewells, like missionary farewells but for those who are going to be born (pre and post-mortally)

- Explore the universe, galaxy, creations of other planets, peopling of them, etc.

- Sharing the gospel, encouraging others like working with less active/ inactive / ex'd friends (pre and post-mortally)

- Attend significant events like deaths, marriages, Temple ordinances (their own and that of their relatives, descendants, ancestors) etc. on earth - especially since the the Spirit World = earth. (pre and post-mortally)

- Serve in different callings (pre and post-mortally): Do they have General Conference? Do people serve in all the callings there that we have here - I think they do (missionaries, bishops, stake presidents, mission presidents, area authorities, GA's, etc. Not sure about Quorum of the Twelve since they might be organized according to time lived on earth - but there were 2 Quorums of the Twelve after the Savior was resurrected?

Still - since they don't need to eat or sleep, it seems like they'd have quite a lot of time on their hands. I guess that's why the emphasis on repenting while in mortality is taught. 

 

 

Oh, wow, does this ever open up wild possibilities for speculation! Fun speculation, at least.

I truly hesitate sharing some of my wild ideas for pre-mortal existence. Mainly because they are very wild.  But just generally, I look at pre-mortal existence as probably multiple periods of instruction and testing, as Father looks for intelligences which are ready for the final test for mortality as human or human-analogue. That's as far as I'd like to take that.

As for post-mortal, but pre-resurrection and pre-judgement, i.e. the Spirit World, we have a more sure word of prophecy, with no need for much speculation. Have a look at D&C 138. It covers the essentials quite thoroughly.

And then we come to post-resurrection/judgement, and back to a bit of speculation, but in this case, somewhat informed speculation. It is my belief that those who inherit the Telestial and Terrestrial kingdoms will work at different levels in the work that Father does in this universe as He sends more pre-mortal candidates into mortality on the many worlds that He has created. Examine if you will Moses chapter 1, verses 33-39: 

33 And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten.
34 And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many.
35 But only an account of this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, give I unto you. For behold, there are many worlds that have passed away by the word of my power. And there are many that now stand, and innumerable are they unto man; but all things are numbered unto me, for they are mine and I know them.
36 And it came to pass that Moses spake unto the Lord, saying: Be merciful unto thy servant, O God, and tell me concerning this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, and also the heavens, and then thy servant will be content.
37 And the Lord God spake unto Moses, saying: The heavens, they are many, and they cannot be numbered unto man; but they are numbered unto me, for they are mine.
38 And as one earth shall pass away, and the heavens thereof even so shall another come; and there is no end to my works, neither to my words.
39 For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

Here, the Lord tells Moses that He has created and is creating many worlds for many Adams to live on. And many have passed away, or in other words gone through their life cycles where spirits have spent their mortal lives, until their Millenniums and wrapping up have taken place. Also, many more will be created in the future for the same purpose.

Well, for post-resurrection glorified Telestial and Terrestrial beings, I can't think of a better way to spend eternity as a servant of God, than to assist in the creation and progression of these worlds, and all the non-populated worlds and suns, and solar systems and galaxies. The job never ends, as God says "there is no end to my works." And thus they will glorify God by assisting Him in that noble work, forever.

As for the post-resurrection glorified Celestial beings, they of course will move along in a higher realm, serving God at a higher level in his creations, or if worthy of the highest degree of the Celestial glory, to be prepared for exaltation, to do what Father does.

 

Edited March 17, 2024 by Stargazer

[Stargazer]

On 3/5/2024 at 5:34 PM, MiserereNobis said:

Ahab (famous poster from the past) believed that in the celestial kingdom ya’ll would be doing the dishes, laundry, etc. 

Yes, well, he believes a lot of things. LOL!

[Stargazer]

On 3/5/2024 at 11:14 PM, Calm said:

I also want to have the body and energy that allows me to do them the way I want to.  I am hoping we still care to do the above because I want to experience the dreams I missed out on rather than just replace the dreams, even with something better (want the something better too of course).  I want to have my body as a friend rather than an enemy. 

I can relate to that. My right knee is currently making it hard to go places and see things.

On 3/5/2024 at 11:14 PM, Calm said:

I also want to rock climb and hang glide and fence and make pottery and blow glass and weave massive tapestries and especially to learn how to dance in a myriad of ways.

I think the thrill of rock climbing, hang gliding, and all that physical and somewhat dangerous stuff will lose their thrill entirely, without the fear of death or grievous bodily harm looming (resurrected beings don't die, get injured, or get sick). 

Kind of like what Captain Kirk experienced in the Nexus, rather than doing all that mortal frippery, what you'll ready want is to make a difference: 

 

[Stargazer]

On 3/6/2024 at 3:25 PM, Mudcat said:

I want someone to rock climb vicariously for me.

The way my knee is giving me trouble, I can rock climb virtually using my drone!

• Flying around the mouth of the River Arun in Sussex, England
• Circumnavigating Bramber Castle

[Calm]

43 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

think the thrill of rock climbing, hang gliding, and all that physical and somewhat dangerous stuff will lose their thrill entirely, without the fear of death or grievous bodily harm looming (resurrected beings don't die, get injured, or get sick). 

I don’t want to do it for the thrill, i never have, I want the feel of the movement, to see the altered perspectives.  I would rather there be no fear so I can immerse myself in my surroundings and the movement.  It is the same with dance, gymnastics, fencing, horseback riding.  Fear is distracting.  I will be grateful when it is gone.

Edited March 17, 2024 by Calm

[Stargazer]

10 hours ago, Calm said:

I don’t want to do it for the thrill, i never have, I want the feel of the movement, to see the altered perspectives.  I would rather there be no fear so I can immerse myself in my surroundings and the movement.  It is the same with dance, gymnastics, fencing, horseback riding.  Fear is distracting.  I will be grateful when it is gone.

A lot of people do those exciting things for the adrenaline rush that at least a little bit of fear engenders. But it's possible to get it without any fear, too, it seems. I remember seeing the film "2001: A Space Oddysey" for the first time, in a Cinerama in Toronto, Canada. There is a scene which is taken from the "Earthrise" images made by the first Apollo astronauts who orbited the moon in 1968. In the film as they orbit the moon the earth comes into view as if one were flying over the moon, about to leap into space. I got a marvelous feeling I can only describe as "Whoosh!" Adrenaline without the danger.

The other day, during the third launch of SpaceX's Starship, the craft went up through layers of clouds, and I got the same rush of adrenaline. It was the camera placement -- one could see the ground, the plume of the 33 Raptor engines firing, and the approaching layers of clouds. It was great!

One of the things I used to longingly imagine was being able to float in the sky to touch the clouds there. Being in an airplane as it flies next to and into the clouds doesn't quite cut it, since one is so insulated by the aircraft's body. But I got a little of that a couple of years ago when we had a late ground mist, and I sent my drone up above the mist, which is essentially a very low cloud. I did see that it is very hard to touch a cloud because its edges are very diffuse. From a distance they can look very definied and hard-edged, but it's an illusion. 

 

[Mudcat]

19 hours ago, Stargazer said:

The way my knee is giving me trouble, I can rock climb virtually using my drone!

• Flying around the mouth of the River Arun in Sussex, England
• Circumnavigating Bramber Castle

That was really cool

[The Nehor]

On 3/12/2024 at 8:04 PM, SeekingUnderstanding said:

 

Just more evidence of how much Latter-day Saints “LOVE” their queer brothers and sisters. 👍

Also a show of their vast intelligence. The dozens of genders thing comes from Facebook which had a ton of options but many of them meant exactly the same thing.

Here is a list of them at one point:

Agender, Androgyne, Androgynous, Bigender, Cis, Cis Female, Cis Male, Cis Man, Cis Woman, Cisgender, Cisgender Female, Cisgender Male, Cisgender Man, Cisgender Woman, Female to Male, FTM, Gender Fluid, Gender Nonconforming, Gender Questioning, Gender Variant, Genderqueer, Intersex, Male to Female, MTF, Neither, Neutrois, Non-binary, Other, Pangender, Trans, Trans Female, Trans Male, Trans Man, Trans Person, Trans Woman, Trans*, Trans* Female, Trans* Male, Trans* Man, Trans* Person, Trans* Woman, Transfeminine, Transgender, Transgender Female, Transgender Male, Transgender Man, Transgender Person, Transgender Woman, Transmasculine, Transsexual, Transsexual Female, Transsexual Male, Transsexual Man, Transsexual Person, Transsexual Woman, Two-spirit.

Yep, no redundancy in there.

But if you only have one joke……

[longview]

29 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Yep, no redundancy in there.

But if you only have one joke……

Well, another joke is forcing taxpayers to construct a third restroom to accommodate the weird.

[The Nehor]

2 minutes ago, longview said:

Well, another joke is forcing taxpayers to construct a third restroom to accommodate the weird.

Take a look at these Mormons over here. They think they are normies and can look down on the other weirds. LOL

[MustardSeed]

15 hours ago, longview said:

Well, another joke is forcing taxpayers to construct a third restroom to accommodate the weird.

Yikes- 

I think there are ways to judge righteously, and then there are other ways. 
 

I’ve had a lot of negative experiences with transgendered people personally and struggle to trust that I can get along, but I’m sure that is only tied to my personal small scale experience. I’m sure being part of a population that is probably the most hated next to sex offenders can create some sort of behaviors that influence said difficulties. 
I don’t know that I would use the word weird though especially describing a person and not a behavior. Seems pretty mean.

[longview]

1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

I don’t know that I would use the word weird though especially describing a person and not a behavior. Seems pretty mean.

Well, there is actually a gender choice in the facebook checkbox that includes "pervert". Although I don't recall if "weird" is in that list. So I do apologize for that.

[The Nehor]

On 3/19/2024 at 11:16 AM, longview said:

Well, there is actually a gender choice in the facebook checkbox that includes "pervert". Although I don't recall if "weird" is in that list. So I do apologize for that.

All those young queer people with all their newfangled genders hanging out on *checks notes* Facebook??????

[longview]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

All those young queer people with all their newfangled genders hanging out on *checks notes* Facebook??????

Maybe I should not have used the word checkbox. I was referring to the facebook gender field in the profile section that pops up a big list of genders for the applicant to select. Don't know if it allows multiple self-identification. Wouldn't that be bizarre if that was the case?

[The Nehor]

On 3/22/2024 at 12:08 PM, longview said:

Maybe I should not have used the word checkbox. I was referring to the facebook gender field in the profile section that pops up a big list of genders for the applicant to select. Don't know if it allows multiple self-identification. Wouldn't that be bizarre if that was the case?

No, it wouldn’t be that bizarre. A lot of places have multiple selections for gender, orientation, etc.

I am definitely mocking the idea the idea that most of the genderqueer crowd spend significant amounts of time on Facebook.

I am relatively boring on the gender front. Cisgender, experimented a bit with crossdressing and doing the femboy thing when I was younger and cuter but that was it. I do have friends that would confuse you and who you would probably consider bizarre.

[nuclearfuels]

On 3/17/2024 at 6:55 PM, Stargazer said:

I truly hesitate sharing some of my wild ideas for pre-mortal existence. Mainly because they are very wild. 

thank you for your thoughtful post.

Please DM me your wild ideas. 

As I have none, I'd like to believe we can use the Spirit, reason, logic, and the scriptures - understood correctly - to come to know ourselves more correctly.