Who is the One Mighty & Strong?

[Indian Prophet]

Is it the person spoken of here?

[The Nehor]

27 minutes ago, Indian Prophet said:

Is it the person spoken of here?

No.

[JAHS]

The way I understand it there was a Bishop Edward Partridge who was engaged in jealousy and pride and unbelief along with other saints which caused this revelation to be received.

Bishop Partridge was the man referred to in the revelation who should fall by the shaft of death, if he did not repent. (D&C 85:8.) Bishop Partridge apparently repented.

 If Bishop Partridge had not repented, the Lord would have appointed "one mighty and strong" to take his place; therefore, the First Presidency considered "the whole incident of the prophecy closed." (Improvement Era 10:940.)

[bluebell]

Does that website ever share what OMS stands for?  I skimmed but didn't see it.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, bluebell said:

Does that website ever share what OMS stands for?  I skimmed but didn't see it.

Guessing “One Mighty & Strong”

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Guessing “One Mighty & Strong”

Oh geez. That was one of my smarter questions. 😂

[The Nehor]

3 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Oh geez. That was one of my smarter questions. 😂

If it makes you feel better I only figured it out when you asked.

[Calm]

Indian Prophet, are you the owner of the website? I assume that is Kelly, but if not, what is your connection?  Are you by chance the one who wrote the Book of the Remnant?  

 

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The Book of Mormon, thus, pertains to Ephraim who will come into the New Jerusalem with the second migration of Indians (tribe of Joseph), after the New Jerusalem is already set up. Also note that the Book of Mormon has not had the effect of producing the marvelous work and wonder among the Native Americans. The Book of the Remnant, the sealed book which magnifies and gives poignant meaning to the Book of Mormon, will.

The stick of Manasseh is the Book of the Remnant, which pertains to the Indians who are the birthright tribe of Manasseh, are the front-line of God’s servants today in which righteous Gentiles will be adopted into, and will save the remainder of the house of Israel, his brothers; will thus build the temple and the New Jerusalem, working along with the city of Enoch.

Is there a link to the Bookof the Remnant or information about it?

The owner invites people to call and ask him questions, etc.

Is this a free service and if not, how much does it cost?

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Today’s predominant church, the latter-day Saints (LDS), hold up the Book of Mormon for all to see, exclaiming it’s truthfulness, and proclaiming that this is what makes their faith different from all other faiths. But they do not teach from it. And their leaders’ leesh on it’s membership is so tight that church teachings are not allowed to go beyond the boundaries of rubber-stamped manuals produced and distributed by the church, even though in the church that Jesus Christ established in 3rd Nephi taught, “their meetings were conducted by the church after the manner of the workings of the Spirit, and by the power of the Holy Ghost; for as the power of the Holy Ghost led them whether to preach, or to exhort, or to pray, or to supplicate, or to sing, even so it was done.” —Moroni 6:9

You appear to reject the authority of The Church of Jesus Christ, claiming we do not teach from the Book of Mormon.  What is your authority to teach others, if any?

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The scriptures are full of prophets and other righteous men who labored greatly, pushing forward through the powerful winds of adversity, and enduring to the end. Many of these men and women have seen Christ and have had their calling and election made sure. I would ask, have you arrived at this point? If the answer is “no” then the invitation from the scriptures is to work out your salvation with fear and trembling before Him, to waste and wear out your lives in search of truth, with a willingness and even readiness to obey every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God.

Have you had your calling and election made sure and if not, how does that qualify you to instruct others in the process?

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And when any given church adds to it’s membership, the more there is potential for entrapment since Gentiles look to such vain things as an indicator of truthfulness, considering this great, as described by Christ himself in Mark 10:42-45. Rightly, Moroni penned, after observing our day:

And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts… and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.

Was Joseph Smith’s work establishing the Church after he was finished translating the Book of Mormon a fraud then?

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David Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, and others had been teaching and baptizing for nine months prior, converting about 2000 souls; and ALL baptized had the same spiritual encounters upon rising from the water as Oliver and Joseph.

Where is it documented that all who were baptized had the same experiences?

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It is my hope that from this website you will learn things you have never learned, or perhaps not even considered—that the Indian prophet’s life and mission are indeed written in holy writ, and that he is alive on the Earth today, and has written a book of scripture—the Book of the Remnant—a book that is sealed to most people because they don’t desire truth, nor understand the purpose and intent of the Book of Mormon.

And who is this man?

[CV75]

Clearly it is Mighty Igor Vodik: Mighty Igor - Wikipedia

 

[Calm]

Somehow I don’t think this guy is interested in posting any more.  One of those who post and disappears.

Edited January 9, 2023 by Calm

[Tacenda]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Mighty_and_Strong

Wow, the stuff that comes out of things JS says. I'm not feeling kindly toward the polygamy while listening to an audible "My Favorite Wife Escape from Polygamy".

It's not good fruit.....at all. 

[The Nehor]

On 1/14/2023 at 10:22 AM, Tacenda said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Mighty_and_Strong

Wow, the stuff that comes out of things JS says. I'm not feeling kindly toward the polygamy while listening to an audible "My Favorite Wife Escape from Polygamy".

It's not good fruit.....at all. 

Keep crushing my dreams of polyamory.

Le sigh.

[Jaydes]

On 1/6/2023 at 11:36 PM, Calm said:

Indian Prophet, are you the owner of the website? I assume that is Kelly, but if not, what is your connection?  Are you by chance the one who wrote the Book of the Remnant?  

 

Is there a link to the Bookof the Remnant or information about it?

The owner invites people to call and ask him questions, etc.

Is this a free service and if not, how much does it cost?

You appear to reject the authority of The Church of Jesus Christ, claiming we do not teach from the Book of Mormon.  What is your authority to teach others, if any?

Have you had your calling and election made sure and if not, how does that qualify you to instruct others in the process?

Was Joseph Smith’s work establishing the Church after he was finished translating the Book of Mormon a fraud then?

Where is it documented that all who were baptized had the same experiences?

And who is this man?

I own a copy of the Book of the Remnant. There are no digital copies of it online, unfortunately. Information about it in general is very scarce. 

Here is what I can tell you about the situation;

There is a Navajo man named Frank Talker, a member of the Indian Placement Program as a child, who lives in Fort Defiance, Arizona, and is claiming to be the fulfilment of several scriptural prophecies. He claims to be the "Indian Prophet" foretold in the Second Book of Nephi who would be a descendant of Joseph ben Lehi and bring to pass much restoration, who he claims is also the same person as the One Mighty and Strong from the D&C, and even the same person several messianic OT prophecies actually refer to. He was also formerly convicted of white collar fraud several decades ago, but I'm sure that is neither here nor there. He seems to have built up a small, but somewhat secretive following, and is shaping up to be something akin to the Denver Snuffer of Fundamentalist Mormonism. There was a few lectures held a little over a year ago throughout Utah and Idaho. Kelly Gneiting was one of his disciples, though as I understand it they had some sort of falling out, though Kelly is still a believer and shilling for him. There's a few other fellows operating websites about him. He has written a book called The Book of the Remnant Written to the Remnant, the children of Lehi, the house of Judah, and the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel, and the Gentile People, who are numbered with the seed of Nephi: Another Testament of the Lord Jesus Christ and a scriptural companion to the Book of Mormon.

They claim the Book of the Remnant is a sealed book and are very cagey about it and its contents, only quoting from it sparingly, saying God will give it to you in his own time and they can't make it public or it will condemn the people who reject it. 

The Book itself is a some 317 page compilation of "revelations" that Talker received that "God commanded him to write". The Book itself tells you very little about the man and makes very little reference to his identity. He is only ever named in it in the witness section at the end, and even the author is listed on the spine as only "DIYIN". It is essentially a D&C for their movement. Interestingly, it is published by a shell company publishing house owned by Ogden Kraut's family. It is copyrighted to "The Land of Helam". ISBN Number 1-59570-990-8.

The Book has its own "three witnesses", interestingly one of them, the first witness, happens to be none other than this guy; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Jacobson

The other witnesses for the record are Kenneth William Rouw and Elmer P. Murray. Cecil Jacobson was a prominent member of the group, holding meetings for them in his house. Frank's wife, Theresa, Don L. and Joyce H. Davis, a guy named Jordan are some other members. Val Brinkerhoff, author of The Secret Chamber: Spiritual Wifery and the Doctrine of Christ is a friend of Kelly's and is investigating the movement but is not yet a member. Most of the membership were older people who have all been passing away in the last few years. It's mostly family groups who know each other in person.

They seem to accept things up until the Manifesto and 1978 revelation. 

I couldn't say who the OP is. Possibly Gneiting, Possibly Talker, possibly someone else affiliated. I'm not affiliated with any of them, for the record...just own the book and looked into their movement some. It is entirely a free service to talk to Kelly and ask him questions as the website invites. They also generally encourage you to make a pilgrimage to go talk to Talker himself, which also appears to be free sans any potential travel costs. Whenever they say "The Indian Prophet", etc., They are referring to Frank Talker.

 The Book contains some gems...such as the diagram that charts out all the human races to where Talker claims they descend from, and puts them into three hierarchies of premortal worthiness, and claims that African Americans, at the lowest hierarchy, are the sons of perdition, all irrevocably automatically damned and unsavable and not even worth preaching the gospel to, Satan's servants on earth, and the root of all secret combinations and who God will wipe out one day.

In short; It's if the Snuffer Movement was a Fundamentalist group with weird racialist overtones and some sketchy endorsements, and if it was very secretive almost relying entirely on in person meetings and phone calls..

Edited June 20, 2023 by Jaydes

[Calm]

55 minutes ago, Jaydes said:

. He was also formerly convicted of white collar fraud several decades ago, but I'm sure that is neither here nor there.

Past behaviour is not a bad indicator of future behaviour.

[Calm]

Thanks for sharing the info.  Interesting and disturbing.

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Jaydes said:

 The Book contains some gems...such as the diagram that charts out all the human races to where Talker claims they descend from, and puts them into three hierarchies of premortal worthiness, and claims that African Americans, at the lowest hierarchy, are the sons of perdition, all irrevocably automatically damned and unsavable and not even worth preaching the gospel to, Satan's servants on earth, and the root of all secret combinations and who God will wipe out one day.

Just African Americans and not others who live in Africa or are descended from Africans?

Whatever the variation, that is incredibly wrong in so many ways.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Calm

[Tacenda]

22 minutes ago, Calm said:

Just African Americans and not others who live in Africa or are descended from Africans?

Whatever the variation, that is incredibly wrong in so many ways.

 

1 hour ago, Jaydes said:

I own a copy of the Book of the Remnant. There are no digital copies of it online, unfortunately. Information about it in general is very scarce. 

Here is what I can tell you about the situation;

There is a Navajo man named Frank Talker, a member of the Indian Placement Program as a child, who lives in Fort Defiance, Arizona, and is claiming to be the fulfilment of several scriptural prophecies. He claims to be the "Indian Prophet" foretold in the Second Book of Nephi who would be a descendant of Joseph ben Lehi and bring to pass much restoration, who he claims is also the same person as the One Mighty and Strong from the D&C, and even the same person several messianic OT prophecies actually refer to. He was also formerly convicted of white collar fraud several decades ago, but I'm sure that is neither here nor there. He seems to have built up a small, but somewhat secretive following, and is shaping up to be something akin to the Denver Snuffer of Fundamentalist Mormonism. There was a few lectures held a little over a year ago throughout Utah and Idaho. Kelly Gneiting was one of his disciples, though as I understand it they had some sort of falling out, though Kelly is still a believer and shilling for him. There's a few other fellows operating websites about him. He has written a book called The Book of the Remnant Written to the Remnant, the children of Lehi, the house of Judah, and the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel, and the Gentile People, who are numbered with the seed of Nephi: Another Testament of the Lord Jesus Christ and a scriptural companion to the Book of Mormon.

They claim the Book of the Remnant is a sealed book and are very cagey about it and its contents, only quoting from it sparingly, saying God will give it to you in his own time and they can't make it public or it will condemn the people who reject it. 

The Book itself is a some 317 page compilation of "revelations" that Talker received that "God commanded him to write". The Book itself tells you very little about the man and makes very little reference to his identity. He is only ever named in it in the witness section at the end, and even the author is listed on the spine as only "DIYIN". It is essentially a D&C for their movement. Interestingly, it is published by a shell company publishing house owned by Ogden Kraut's family. It is copyrighted to "The Land of Helam". ISBN Number 1-59570-990-8.

The Book has its own "three witnesses", interestingly one of them, the first witness, happens to be none other than this guy; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Jacobson

The other witnesses for the record are Kenneth William Rouw and Elmer P. Murray. Cecil Jacobson was a prominent member of the group, holding meetings for them in his house. Frank's wife, Theresa, Don L. and Joyce H. Davis, a guy named Jordan are some other members. Val Brinkerhoff, author of The Secret Chamber: Spiritual Wifery and the Doctrine of Christ is a friend of Kelly's and is investigating the movement but is not yet a member. Most of the membership were older people who have all been passing away in the last few years. It's mostly family groups who know each other in person.

They seem to accept things up until the Manifesto and 1978 revelation. 

I couldn't say who the OP is. Possibly Gneiting, Possibly Talker, possibly someone else affiliated. I'm not affiliated with any of them, for the record...just own the book and looked into their movement some. It is entirely a free service to talk to Kelly and ask him questions as the website invites. They also generally encourage you to make a pilgrimage to go talk to Talker himself, which also appears to be free sans any potential travel costs. Whenever they say "The Indian Prophet", etc., They are referring to Frank Talker.

 The Book contains some gems...such as the diagram that charts out all the human races to where Talker claims they descend from, and puts them into three hierarchies of premortal worthiness, and claims that African Americans, at the lowest hierarchy, are the sons of perdition, all irrevocably automatically damned and unsavable and not even worth preaching the gospel to, Satan's servants on earth, and the root of all secret combinations and who God will wipe out one day.

In short; It's if the Snuffer Movement was a Fundamentalist group with weird racialist overtones and some sketchy endorsements, and if it was very secretive almost relying entirely on in person meetings and phone calls..

Sick!

[Jaydes]

42 minutes ago, Calm said:

Just African Americans and not others who live in Africa or are descended from Africans?

Whatever the variation, that is incredibly wrong in so many ways.

Sorry, I am more used to speaking of African Americans specifically so I misspoke by force of habit. He encompassed anyone of African descent who would be considered not Caucasian. It also includes Arabs, and Brazillians...for some reason.

Part of the Book of the Remnant contains a writing entitled, “Covenant People of the 
Lord Intermarriage with the Canaanite and Gentile,” at nearly 50,000 words.

From the Book of the Remnant:

"They do not seek the welfare of Zion, but they despise her children; this is the 
woman that sitteth upon the many waters; these are priests that despise the name 
of the Lord; these are they who approve the priesthood of God to the Canaanite 
for the sake of gain, and, they have not the authority or power to do so; because 
he doeth this thing, the Lord will corrupt his seed, and dung shall be spread upon 
his altars and sacramental tables in all of his assemblies before God."

"and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts."

 

Even Brigham Young was more favorable on race issues than this guy, which is an accomplishment.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Jaydes

[Calm]

Wow.  Again thanks for the info.  Sad that someone is spreading this, even in the limited secretive way they are doing it.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Calm

[Jaydes]

Yes, very sad indeed. They try to conceal some of these things a bit starting off though, to lure you in with the idea of the One Mighty and Strong, and restoration, and bringing the gospel to the Lamanites, etc.

I only own the Second Edition, so I couldn't say what is contained in the First Edition, or possibly subsequent editions. It's a very difficult book to get one's hands on.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Jaydes

[rodheadlee]

Anyone who proclaims to be the One Mighty and Strong is not he or she and is automatically eliminated in my opinion.

It will be self evident, no announcement will be necessary. 

 

[Tacenda]

2 hours ago, rodheadlee said:

Anyone who proclaims to be the One Mighty and Strong is not he or she and is automatically eliminated in my opinion.

It will be self evident, no announcement will be necessary. 

 

👏💯

[Okrahomer]

On 1/6/2023 at 5:46 PM, bluebell said:

Oh geez. That was one of my smarter questions. 😂

Not nearly as “smart” as my question about why Elder Stevenson’s bunny experiment story was upsetting to some people; and you had to help me by pointing out that it was because they probably had to kill the bunnies to get the information.  🤡