Racial Slur at BYU Game - Real or Hoax?

[Calm]

25 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

(Clarification: Smac97 didn’t say the above. It was in the article he quoted.)

I think Cox needs to do more than just delete an errant tweet. He needs to publicly acknowledge he was wrong. He has a heavier responsibility to do this than if he were merely an ordinary citizen, owing to the fact he is in a highly visible position of public trust. 

He did. 

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/ban-lifted-off-byu-fan-accused-of-taunting-opposing-player-with-racial-slur-investigation-yields-no-evidence?_amp=true

“"I will always speak out strongly against racism," the Governor's updated statement reads in part. "I also believe it is important to step back and acknowledge new facts as they come to light and speak publicly about them as well. Part of that requires patience, something I could have done better in this situation. I apologize to the fan who apparently was unfairly signaled out."”

Full tweet also referring to BYU here:

 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Calm

[ksfisher]

24 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

(Clarification: Smac97 didn’t say the above. It was in the article he quoted.)

I think Cox needs to do more than just delete an errant tweet. He needs to publicly acknowledge he was wrong. He has a heavier responsibility to do this than if he were merely an average citizen, owing to the fact he is in a highly visible position of public trust. 

Agreed. 

Question: as I rarely pay any attention to Twitter, do government officials usually use such vulgar language in tweets?

[Scott Lloyd]

9 minutes ago, Calm said:

“not a single other eyewitness came forward—none of Richardson’s black teammates”

”my teammates and I had to struggle just to get through the rest of the game”

The above statement of Richardson’s is really the only thing that makes me wonder. Everything else is easily imo explained by the way our perception of the world works.   However, if Richardson told her teammates what she mistakenly thought she heard, their anxiety could have been enough to cause them to express it was difficult to finish while she herself was talking about hearing additional slurs (mistakenly due to expectation at this point) and she conflated the two. Perhaps they were reluctant to correct her misunderstanding because they wanted to be supportive or it wasn’t made clear until her interview that she interpreted their supportive comments as evidence of a shared experience.

I wish the WCC or other neutral college sport agency did their own investigation and interviewed all the teammates and staff confidentially and then published the findings without names attached. I don’t think it is fair to the teammates to put them in a position of publicly rebutting Richardson. They didn’t ask to be in the middle of this.  
 

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For those convinced this is a hoax, do you have an example of a sane person making claims of being racially harassed in a public venue where it was known there were numerous recoding devices around?  Anything close to what happened here?  Not just a hoax, but a very, very public hoax.
 

I have a very hard time thinking an intelligent individual like Richardson wouldn’t know a hoax would be doomed to fail and backfire on her in such a venue. There would be plenty of other options she could have claimed were harassment that didn’t require someone shouting slurs in the middle of a crowd that had cameras and mics focused on it and plenty of minority students and fans who would be more than willing to speak up if they heard such. 

It’s not unheard of for intelligent people to apply very poor judgment. Years ago, a member of MENSA, the society for people with high IQs, murdered his neighbor because the neighbor was playing his stereo too loud. 

[HappyJackWagon]

5 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

Agreed. 

Question: as I rarely pay any attention to Twitter, do government officials usually use such vulgar language in tweets?

You remember who our last president was, right  

 

[ksfisher]

Just now, HappyJackWagon said:

You remember who our last president was, right  

 

I do, which made me try and stay even farther away from Twitter.

[Duncan]

1 minute ago, teddyaware said:

It will require deeply grounded testimonies, open channels of personal revelation, and Spirit empowered courage to triumphantly persevere throughout the mighty oncoming storm of darkness and hate, but those who remain faithful in the bright hope of Christ’s indomitable power will be mightily blessed like unto the inhabitants of Enoch’s glorious city  of old.

Better get started then

[Calm]

4 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

It’s not unheard of for intelligent people to apply very poor judgment. Years ago, a member of MENSA, the society for people with high IQs, murdered his neighbor because the neighbor was playing his stereo too loud. 

And did the person murder his neighbour knowing he was being recorded while doing so?

Do you have anything comparable to Richardson’s situation?

Edited September 15, 2022 by Calm

[Scott Lloyd]

6 hours ago, Calm said:

He did. 

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/ban-lifted-off-byu-fan-accused-of-taunting-opposing-player-with-racial-slur-investigation-yields-no-evidence?_amp=true

“"I will always speak out strongly against racism," the Governor's updated statement reads in part. "I also believe it is important to step back and acknowledge new facts as they come to light and speak publicly about them as well. Part of that requires patience, something I could have done better in this situation. I apologize to the fan who apparently was unfairly signaled out."”

Full tweet also referring to BYU here:

 

There’s an undertone of rationalization and minimization here. He says he could have done better in being patient. Doing better in this instance would have amounted to holding his tongue —  or his keyboard — for a while until all the facts were in before going off half-coxxed  

But he deserves credit for at least making the gesture. 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Scott Lloyd

[Vanguard]

17 minutes ago, Calm said:

He did. 

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/ban-lifted-off-byu-fan-accused-of-taunting-opposing-player-with-racial-slur-investigation-yields-no-evidence?_amp=true

“"I will always speak out strongly against racism," the Governor's updated statement reads in part. "I also believe it is important to step back and acknowledge new facts as they come to light and speak publicly about them as well. Part of that requires patience, something I could have done better in this situation. I apologize to the fan who apparently was unfairly signaled out."”

Full tweet also referring to BYU here:

 

He owes an apology to the BYU community also.

[Scott Lloyd]

21 minutes ago, Calm said:

And did the person murder his neighbour knowing he was being recorded while doing so?

Do you have anything comparable to Richardson’s situation?

I’m just saying intelligence doesn’t necessarily equate to good judgment. 
 

If she’s so intelligent, how could she be so wrong in her perception?

And if it was not just an honest mistake but an intentional hoax, it might have amounted to a roll of the dice, with the expectation that the egregious nature of the charge would be enough to carry it, with the media and public jumping on the virtue-signaling bandwagon and nobody bothering to scrutinize it. Which is indeed what happened — for a while. 

That’s kind of what Smollet was banking on. And it worked for him — for a while. 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Scott Lloyd

[Scott Lloyd]

5 hours ago, Vanguard said:

He owes an apology to the BYU community also.

Yes, given the broad-brush nature of the first tweet. Even if the accusation against the fan had turned out to be true, Cox should not have scolded an entire community. 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Scott Lloyd

[Scott Lloyd]

13 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said:

You remember who our last president was, right  

 

Or the current one, for that matter. 

[Amulek]

9 minutes ago, Calm said:

I have a very hard time thinking an intelligent individual like Richardson wouldn’t know a hoax would be doomed to fail and backfire on her in such a venue.

I'm still not convinced it was a hoax. Instead, it reminds me of a story that happened several years ago at Indiana University (Bloomington).

One night a student reported that she saw "someone walking around [campus] in KKK gear with a whip." One of the dorm RA's was informed and blasted out a warning for everyone to be careful if they were planning on going out that night.

Regrettably, the "someone" reportedly walking around in KKK gear just so happened to be Father Jude McPeak, a Dominican monk. And no, he wasn't walking around with a whip - just his rosary beads, as usual. He was spotted later that night at a frozen yogurt joint and hilarity ensued throughout the Twitterverse.

However, the initial student really did see somebody walking around school in white robes, and that person looked to be holding something that (from a distance) might very well have been mistaken for a whip. But then, out of an abundance of caution, things quickly got telephone gamed out of proportion.

I think the same sort of thing happened with Richardson. She genuinely believed she heard something, reported it, and then things ended up taking off after that - with everyone acting in their self interest and honestly trying to do the right thing. And I think that is what distinguishes her case from other previous incidents which were intentional frauds (e.g., Juicy Smoo-yay).

 

[Calm]

20 minutes ago, Vanguard said:

He owes an apology to the BYU community also.

Did you read the full tweet?

[Calm]

22 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

 

If she’s so intelligent, how could she be so wrong in her perception?

 

You don’t understand perception if you think intelligence prevents you from hearing audio illusions. 
 

So no hoaxes out there that are that similar to this scenario that you know of?

Edited September 15, 2022 by Calm

[Vanguard]

13 minutes ago, Calm said:

Did you read the full tweet?

I clicked on it looking for a more thorough apology but couldn't find it. Am I missing it?

[Calm]

1 minute ago, Vanguard said:

I clicked on it looking for a more thorough apology but couldn't find it. Am I missing it?

Just the reference to backing BYU’s investigation. 

[Scott Lloyd]

15 minutes ago, Calm said:

Did you read the full tweet?

I did. I didn’t see anything that could be characterized as an apology to the BYU community. 

[Scott Lloyd]

Just now, Calm said:

Just the reference to backing BYU’s investigation. 

That’s not an apology. 

[Bernard Gui]

The fallout of this story is like the infamous question, “Have you stopped beating your dog yet?”

[Calm]

1 minute ago, Scott Lloyd said:

That’s not an apology. 

To me it is more important to be acknowledged right than for someone to say they are sorry for thinking I was wrong. 

[Scott Lloyd]

16 minutes ago, Calm said:

So no hoaxes out there that are that similar to this scenario that you know of?

None come to mind. Does that negate that supposedly intelligent people sometimes do foolish things? 

[Scott Lloyd]

Just now, Calm said:

To me it is more important to be acknowledged right than for someone to say they are sorry for thinking I was wrong. 

Why not do both? 

[Calm]

Just now, Scott Lloyd said:

None come to mind. Does that negate that supposedly intelligent people sometimes do foolish things? 

Of course not, but it lowers the probability dramatically that this is the one time an intelligent person acted this stupid with a hoax. 

[Calm]

Just now, Scott Lloyd said:

Why not do both? 

Didn’t say he couldn’t, but for me that would be all I needed and I think it should be recognized he was saying BYU was in the right.