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The Nehor Grand Master

The Nehor

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Just now, smac97 said:

"Nazis" being a pejorative label that anyone can, for any reason or no reason at all, attach to any other person.  And then comes the mob to mete out extralegal violence against that person.

An example:

Another example:

Nehor: 

Also Nehor:

Also Nehor:

  • Yeah, punching Nazis is funny and people should rejoice when it happens.
  • Everyone should unite in joy at things that frustrate, stop, or harm Nazis.
  • War “laws” are broken in every war. Repeatedly. So yes, extralegal {violence}.
  • Punching Nazis is not wrong...
  • I didn’t advocate for burning down the homes of Nazis………..yet.

I think the counsel from the Church is apt. 

I am concerned about casual calls for extralegal mobocratic violence.

Thanks,

-Smac

I am concerned at people being concerned about the physical safety and comfort of fascists dedicating to overthrowing things I love and care about.

  • Yeah, punching Nazis is funny and people should rejoice when it happens.
  • Everyone should unite in joy at things that frustrate, stop, or harm Nazis.
  • War “laws” are broken in every war. Repeatedly. So yes, extralegal {violence}.
  • Punching Nazis is not wrong...
  • I didn’t advocate for burning down the homes of Nazis………..yet.

Yeah, i can still stand behind that……..for now.

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Calm Grand Master

Calm

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29 minutes ago, smac97 said:

  But as long as he A) publicly represents himself as a member of the Church and B) publicly endorses/celebrates extralegal mobocratic violence, I will speak against that.

Responding to something he just said is one thing.  Bringing up old posts to repeat them ad infinitum just gives them more attention and brings up more opportunity for him to throw it out there. 

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The Nehor Grand Master

The Nehor

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2 minutes ago, Calm said:

Responding to something he just said is one thing.  Bringing up old posts to repeat them ad infinitum just gives them more attention and brings up more opportunity for him to throw it out there. 

*whistles innocently*

jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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23 minutes ago, Calm said:

Responding to something he just said is one thing.  Bringing up old posts to repeat them ad infinitum just gives them more attention and brings up more opportunity for him to throw it out there. 

Indeed. A couple of years ago, someone brought up something I had said in anger *in 2006* in order to show what an appalling character I am. (And this was in a discussion ostensibly encouraging better online behavior.) 

It doesn’t help to dredge up past misdeeds in the hope we won’t repeat them. 

Merry Christmas, by the way. 

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Calm Grand Master

Calm

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6 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

It doesn’t help to dredge up past misdeeds in the hope we won’t repeat them. 

I know we need examples to help be clear…but didn’t you just dredge up a past misdeed? ;)  (Yes, it makes a difference to the public no name is attached, but if the person who did it remembers…)

Edited by Calm
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ttribe Grand Master

ttribe

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42 minutes ago, smac97 said:

Thanks,

-Smac

Yes, yes, you're such a hero for taking a stand against such things on a message board read only by its hand full of participants. But, hey, you sure put the Nehor in his place, didn't you?

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jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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1 minute ago, Calm said:

I know we need examples to help be clear…but didn’t you just dredge up a past misdeed? ;)  (Yes, it makes a difference to the public no name is attached, but if the person who did it remembers…)

It wasn’t on this board, so it doesn’t count, right?

BRMC Rising Star

BRMC

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Well, the last thread got locked.  Seems to make sense they'll start the same conversation over again.  I'm sure it will end much better this time.

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Calm Grand Master

Calm

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1 minute ago, jkwilliams said:

It wasn’t on this board, so it doesn’t count, right?

I won’t hold it against you, I promise.  

jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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1 minute ago, Calm said:

I won’t hold it against you, I promise.  

Honestly, I’m too old and tired to hold anything against anyone. 

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LoudmouthMormon Veteran

LoudmouthMormon

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I'd just like to remind people of some real horrors from the real Nazi military machine:

Concentration camps and the Holocaust
The Commissar Order
The Barbarossa Decree
Mass murder of Polish civilians
Massacres of Polish POWs
Belgian hostages taken and used as human shields - 600+ victims
Black French POWs executed by the Großdeutschland Regiment
The Führer Directive 25, where Hitler called for the immediate destruction of Yugoslavia. 
Bombing of Belgrade - between 1,500 and 17,000 civilian casualties.
War crimes against Soviet POWs
1941 Operation Barbarossa, where German Army commanders identified and registered (and eventually executed) all Jews in the occupied areas in the Soviet Union
Rape - Eastern Front: German soldiers would brand the bodies of women with the words "Whore for Hitler's troops" and rape them.
Rape - Western Front: German soldiers raped (and often murdered) captured Soviet female nurses/doctors/field medics.
The Wehrmacht brothel system
Human experimentation - on homosexuals, concentration camp prisoners, and Russian Jewish POWs

No really, anyone thinking there are Nazis to punch in the US - go read the wikipedia articles of some of these - as many as you can until you become physically ill - then tell me there are Nazis to punch in the US.

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jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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1 minute ago, LoudmouthMormon said:

No really, anyone thinking there are Nazis to punch in the US - go read the wikipedia articles of some of these - as many as you can until you become physically ill - then tell me there are Nazis to punch in the US.

Although I’m not in favor of violence, I would imagine there are more than a few Nazis in this country who would commit such atrocities if given the opportunity. 

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LoudmouthMormon Veteran

LoudmouthMormon

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9 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

Although I’m not in favor of violence, I would imagine there are more than a few Nazis in this country who would commit such atrocities if given the opportunity. 

Agreed.  The seeds of evil rest in humanity, no matter where or when.  And you don't have to identify as a nazi to hope for opportunities to remake your nation in your image via violence and massacres. That said, punching people for crimes they *might* commit?  If given the opportunity?  

 

Edited by LoudmouthMormon
jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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Just now, LoudmouthMormon said:

Agreed.  The seeds of evil rest in humanity, no matter where or when.   That said, punching people for crimes they *might* commit?  If given the opportunity?  

 

Well, to paraphrase the Beatles, when you talk about violence, you can count me out. 

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LoudmouthMormon Veteran

LoudmouthMormon

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2 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

Well, to paraphrase the Beatles, when you talk about violence, you can count me out. 

Not me.  The solution to bad speech, is more speech.  Ignoring it isn't a good idea.   I think that's why @smac97 isn't quieting down about it.

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jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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Posted
Just now, LoudmouthMormon said:

Not me.  The solution to bad speech, is more speech.  Ignoring it isn't a good idea.   I think that's why @smac97 isn't quieting down about it.

Not sure why you think I would encourage ignoring bad speech. I’m opposed to violence, not speech. 

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SeekingUnderstanding Grand Master

SeekingUnderstanding

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3 hours ago, Amulek said:

The only thing ironic about that song (and I don't think this was done intentionally) is that pretty much none of the scenarios listed in the lyrics are actually examples of irony.

 

At the 2:00 “It’s singing ironic, but there are no ironies”. So at least she knows now. 

Edited by SeekingUnderstanding
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Calm Grand Master

Calm

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13 minutes ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

At the 2:00 “It’s singing ironic, but there are no ironies”. So at least she knows now. 

well, she is either great at faking it or has a better sense of humour than I expected from an interview I saw way back.  Love the update.

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smac97 Grand Master

smac97

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3 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I am concerned at people being concerned about the physical safety and comfort of fascists dedicating to overthrowing things I love and care about.

  • Yeah, punching Nazis is funny and people should rejoice when it happens.
  • Everyone should unite in joy at things that frustrate, stop, or harm Nazis.
  • War “laws” are broken in every war. Repeatedly. So yes, extralegal {violence}.
  • Punching Nazis is not wrong...
  • I didn’t advocate for burning down the homes of Nazis………..yet.

Yeah, i can still stand behind that……..for now.

"Nazi" = "Anyone with whom I have any political or ideological disagreement, and/or anyone else I want to tar with that brush."

Scary stuff.  I am glad the Brethren are warning against ... what you are doing.

-Smac

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