The Nehor Posted December 30, 2021 Author Posted December 30, 2021 9 hours ago, Chum said: I'm gun agnostic. I could support some careful regulation if we'd first try what we haven't. I think we should stop rewarding shooters with years of loud press (pol PR, etc) about their accomplishment. I believe what we started with Columbine (massively amp'd coverage, endless media memorials) is siren-calling future shooters. If a sufficient period of reduced, quiet coverage doesn't move the needle, I would support regulation. I think that might shift us back to increased bombings. However, the 1970s showed the FBI can sharply reduce those attacks[1]. [1] The 1970s FBI reduced bombings, once they abandoned surveilling Americans (not suspected of a crime) in favor of actual police work. At least the 1970s bombings generally targeted property and not people. They went after prominent targets but usually had the bombs go off at night. People are generally more blasé about property damage than the loss of human life. Or maybe that is what changed as I have seen people go into near-histrionics because a Wendy’s burned down but seem uninterested in a body count. 1
sunstoned Posted December 31, 2021 Posted December 31, 2021 On 12/29/2021 at 6:58 PM, The Nehor said: At least the 1970s bombings generally targeted property and not people. They went after prominent targets but usually had the bombs go off at night. People are generally more blasé about property damage than the loss of human life. Or maybe that is what changed as I have seen people go into near-histrionics because a Wendy’s burned down but seem uninterested in a body count. We didn't use to hear about flight attendants being attached either. I'm thinking these escalations are an artifact from a two year lock down. Humans are social animals, and something like this has to be taking a toll.
Chum Posted December 31, 2021 Posted December 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, sunstoned said: We didn't use to hear about flight attendants being attached either. I'm thinking these escalations are an artifact from a two year lock down. Humans are social animals, and something like this has to be taking a toll. We did. News started featuring them after 2001. I'd agree there seems to be an uptick. The agitators are typically lashing out over wearing a mask in a pressurized tube of recycled air. That seems to indicate people expressing their anti-mask tribalism more than succumbing to pandemic fatigue. It's possible the latter could make one even more susceptible to suffering the former but that's pure speculation on my part. 2
bluebell Posted December 31, 2021 Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, sunstoned said: We didn't use to hear about flight attendants being attached either. I'm thinking these escalations are an artifact from a two year lock down. Humans are social animals, and something like this has to be taking a toll. Teachers and principals have been in the news saying that they have had to deal with a huge increase of aggression in students and parents as well. Some have called it unprecedented. One school administer said that if he ruled the world they would stop teaching academic classes for a year and instead have classes on conflict resolution, communication, mental health, etc. We are unraveling as a society, and justifying our bad actions as it burns down around us. 3
bluebell Posted December 31, 2021 Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Chum said: We did. News started featuring them after 2001. I'd agree there seems to be an uptick. The agitators are typically lashing out over wearing a mask in a pressurized tube of recycled air. That seems to indicate people expressing their anti-mask tribalism more than succumbing to pandemic fatigue. It's possible the latter could make one even more susceptible to suffering the former but that's pure speculation on my part. I don't care what you think of masks, the agitators are idiots. 1
Chum Posted December 31, 2021 Posted December 31, 2021 42 minutes ago, bluebell said: Teachers and principals have been in the news saying that they have had to deal with a huge increase of aggression in students and parents as well. Some have called it unprecedented. One school administer said that if he ruled the world they would stop teaching academic classes for a year and instead have classes on conflict resolution, communication, mental health, etc. I'd imagine much of this is transference of their parents' aggression. 1
bluebell Posted December 31, 2021 Posted December 31, 2021 Just now, Chum said: I'd imagine much of this is transference of their parents' aggression. Definitely. They are watching how their parents are responding to disagreement and copying it. 1
Calm Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Chum said: We did. News started featuring them after 2001. I'd agree there seems to be an uptick. I remember them happening before then, but my dad worked for the airlines and the attendants were very nice to us kids usually when we flew, even if Dad wasn’t around to impress, so I may be inflating what I heard about verbal conflicts into physical attacks. Not like the airlines wanted to make a big deal of them, bad for PR. Edited January 1, 2022 by Calm 1
sunstoned Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 11 hours ago, bluebell said: Teachers and principals have been in the news saying that they have had to deal with a huge increase of aggression in students and parents as well. Some have called it unprecedented. One school administer said that if he ruled the world they would stop teaching academic classes for a year and instead have classes on conflict resolution, communication, mental health, etc. We are unraveling as a society, and justifying our bad actions as it burns down around us. I totally agree. Aggression is up. I am seeing it on the freeway and while shopping.
Calm Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, sunstoned said: I totally agree. Aggression is up. I am seeing it on the freeway and while shopping. Another good reason to stay home then…
Chum Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 Just now, sunstoned said: I totally agree. Aggression is up. I am seeing it on the freeway and while shopping. Tell me about it. Every third pickup is decorated similarly here. Christ has been thoroughly supplanted.
Chum Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Calm said: Another good reason to stay home then… I'm getting tired of saying "She isn't wrong".
Calm Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chum said: I'm getting tired of saying "She isn't wrong". Lol.
Tacenda Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Chum said: Tell me about it. Every third pickup is decorated similarly here. Christ has been thoroughly supplanted. Be still my heart, in a bad way.
Calm Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: Be still my heart, in a bad way. I never thought I would be nostalgic for the “honk if you love Jesus” bumperstickers. 2
sunstoned Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 9 hours ago, Calm said: Another good reason to stay home then… I agree. I stay home as much as possible. I do miss being normal.
Chum Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 8 hours ago, Calm said: I never thought I would be nostalgic for the “honk if you love Jesus” bumperstickers. In what has long been a deep southern Christian climate, political expressions have overtaken ones of faith. More recently, overt political animosity is overtaking everything. In reaction to these increases, the Church has been advocating that we lose ourselves in service, recommit to our neighbors and allow Christ into our lives in a way that social hostility can't overly wound us. After much reflection, I think it may be the best possible way to handle it. 2
Calm Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 2 hours ago, sunstoned said: I agree. I stay home as much as possible. I do miss being normal. You poor guys. It is so much easier when it is your normal. 3
Stargazer Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 On 1/1/2022 at 9:06 AM, Calm said: I never thought I would be nostalgic for the “honk if you love Jesus” bumperstickers. It's nothing new, just a turn of the leaf. During Trump's reign, in Washington state where I was living, the bumper stickers were all directed at Trump. And then there was every Hollywood actor trying to virtue signal by copying Robert de Niro's famous two-word deep and insightful 2018 Tony Awards speech, with all the like-minded giving him a standing ovation for those two words. Which you can look up if you like, I won't link to it here. Now we got the other side of the coin, and it's all hateful, vulgar, and disgusting. 2
Stargazer Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 An attorney who makes videos about law issues and posts them on YouTube, has chimed in on this.
sunstoned Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 22 hours ago, Stargazer said: It's nothing new, just a turn of the leaf. During Trump's reign, in Washington state where I was living, the bumper stickers were all directed at Trump. And then there was every Hollywood actor trying to virtue signal by copying Robert de Niro's famous two-word deep and insightful 2018 Tony Awards speech, with all the like-minded giving him a standing ovation for those two words. Which you can look up if you like, I won't link to it here. Now we got the other side of the coin, and it's all hateful, vulgar, and disgusting. Agreed. Hateful, vulgar and disgusting. I dislike where our society is heading. I am especially worried about the hate that is being generated. It has spilled out into violence. 1
Amulek Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 12/31/2021 at 11:14 AM, sunstoned said: We didn't use to hear about flight attendants being attached either. Indeed. For some time, being unattached was one of the quintessential characteristics of flight attendants. 1
Calm Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, Amulek said: Indeed. For some time, being unattached was one of the quintessential characteristics of flight attendants. Used to be required in fact. Booted if you got married. https://clickamericana.com/topics/money-work/fly-girls-stewardess-job-requirements-of-the-50s-60s 1
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