The Nehor Posted December 17, 2021 Posted December 17, 2021 https://www.newsweek.com/sheriff-accused-threatening-church-youth-group-gun-after-they-left-thank-you-note-1659961 They showed up to leave a thank you note and their leader ended up with a gun pointed at her head while the man threatened to kill her repeatedly. Oh, he was also a cop. 2
sunstoned Posted December 17, 2021 Posted December 17, 2021 This is disturbing. It sounds like the guy has some issues and needs some professional help. The fact that he had a gun makes matters worse.
Calm Posted December 17, 2021 Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) That is going to put a damper on love bombing and ring and runs in his stake…. I hope they get counseling for the young women and definitely the leader. Quote After the investigation ended, he went back to work, Bingham County Prosecutor Paul Rogers said. I hope a desk job. Edited December 17, 2021 by Calm 1
Robert F. Smith Posted December 17, 2021 Posted December 17, 2021 He needs to retire, and continue to drink his booze and cuss at his wife.
The Nehor Posted December 17, 2021 Author Posted December 17, 2021 He is now attempting to blame his violent actions on drunk Indians driving him to it. DIG UP STUPID! DIG UP! 1
sunstoned Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 On 12/16/2021 at 11:45 PM, Calm said: That is going to put a damper on love bombing and ring and runs in his stake…. I hope they get counseling for the young women and definitely the leader. I hope a desk job. And hopefully without his side arm. 1
The Nehor Posted December 22, 2021 Author Posted December 22, 2021 18 hours ago, sunstoned said: And hopefully without his side arm. Hopefully he is not allowed to own guns at all going forward but I am a naive idealist and don’t expect that to actually happen.
sunstoned Posted December 23, 2021 Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Nehor said: Hopefully he is not allowed to own guns at all going forward but I am a naive idealist and don’t expect that to actually happen. If he is in the U.S., especially the western U.S., count on him having access to firearms. Edited December 23, 2021 by sunstoned
Stargazer Posted December 23, 2021 Posted December 23, 2021 19 hours ago, sunstoned said: If he is in the U.S., especially the western U.S., count on him having access to firearms. Don't be silly. Everyone in the US has access to firearms. The question is, would he have legal access to firearms. If he were convicted of a felony, or in some states, certain misdemeanors or if a restraining order is in current force against him, he's not allowed. But plenty of felons ignore the prohibition. Don't get all up on the western US, either. There are plenty of eastern US states where firearms are freely available, especially in the extreme southeast and northeast. You might be interested in how gun rights stack up throughout the US. 19 states allow "constitutional carry", which means no permit required to carry a concealed pistol. There's an informative map with links to gun law summaries for all states here on the NRA website. Yep, the entire country is well-armed.
sunstoned Posted December 24, 2021 Posted December 24, 2021 6 hours ago, Stargazer said: Don't be silly. Everyone in the US has access to firearms. The question is, would he have legal access to firearms. If he were convicted of a felony, or in some states, certain misdemeanors or if a restraining order is in current force against him, he's not allowed. But plenty of felons ignore the prohibition. Don't get all up on the western US, either. There are plenty of eastern US states where firearms are freely available, especially in the extreme southeast and northeast. You might be interested in how gun rights stack up throughout the US. 19 states allow "constitutional carry", which means no permit required to carry a concealed pistol. There's an informative map with links to gun law summaries for all states here on the NRA website. Yep, the entire country is well-armed. Thank you for posting this research. No argument from me. I just don't have experience east of the Mississippi with regards to firearms. Though I have read that in Deer season Minnesota and Tennessee become the fourth largest standing army. So, lots of guns in the U.S.
sunstoned Posted December 24, 2021 Posted December 24, 2021 Three decades ago, I was a student at BYU and had a part time job driving the wrecker for the Traffic department. Mainly, I towed vehicles that were parked illegally. Once towed to the Green house, we had to inventory the contents of the vehicle. We could only do this on cars/trucks that were unlocked. Out of those unlocked vehicles, I would say that there were approximately 20% that had a firearm, either in the glove box or under the seat.
Chum Posted December 24, 2021 Posted December 24, 2021 1 minute ago, sunstoned said: I would say that there were approximately 20% that had a firearm, either in the glove box or under the seat. Firearms bring one closer to Christ. Well, other people's firearms. 2
Chum Posted December 24, 2021 Posted December 24, 2021 A while back my minor son and his friend were going thru a load of computer hardware they bought. They'd been sorting thru it for a while when: Son: Dad. Uh, can you keep a secret? Me: No. What is it? Son: [produces a .25 Beretta, loaded] I found this inside one of the computers. Me: [not a gun guy] Inside? Like laying loose? Son: Yep. Me: Hmm. Okay. Set it aside and we'll figure it out later. short time later Friend to son: Hey. Guess what I found? Son: Is it another gun? Friend: Um. [produces 1918 Luger, loaded, from a different computer] Me: Watches yt vid on how to unload the chamber of a 1918 Luger
Stargazer Posted December 24, 2021 Posted December 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Chum said: A while back my minor son and his friend were going thru a load of computer hardware they bought. They'd been sorting thru it for a while when: Son: Dad. Uh, can you keep a secret? Me: No. What is it? Son: [produces a .25 Beretta, loaded] I found this inside one of the computers. Me: [not a gun guy] Inside? Like laying loose? Son: Yep. Me: Hmm. Okay. Set it aside and we'll figure it out later. short time later Friend to son: Hey. Guess what I found? Son: Is it another gun? Friend: Um. [produces 1918 Luger, loaded, from a different computer] Me: Watches yt vid on how to unload the chamber of a 1918 Luger Definitely get rid of the Beretta. .25 caliber is virtually useless. Might be able to sell it to someone who doesn't care. The 1918 Luger, if functional, is a definite keeper. Probably has good value, both as a defensive firearm as well as a collector item. Even if non-functional, it can probably be repaired and still be valuable.
Calm Posted December 24, 2021 Posted December 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Stargazer said: Might be able to sell it to someone who doesn't care. Would they have ownership papers and if not, can they legally sell it? If not, turning them over to the cops seems like the intelligent thing to do to me, since without papers, it’s illegal as well, correct?
Stargazer Posted December 24, 2021 Posted December 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Calm said: Would they have ownership papers and if not, can they legally sell it? Firearms laws in connection with ownership and selling thereof differ greatly between states. In states where firearms are closely regulated, you might not be able to legally sell a firearm without some kind of official permission. But in general, except for those states, there is no such thing as "ownership papers". Check the NRA website for information about the laws in various states: https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/ Since by law firearms must have a serial number stamped onto them, under some circumstances it may be possible to establish a chain of ownership from the moment the firearm was manufactured. But it's unlikely in many, perhaps most cases. This is because when a firearm is manufactured, the maker stamps a serial number on it, and keeps a record of which retailer bought it from them. The retailer, who must have federal firearms license (FFL) in order to sell firearms, must also keep a record of who bought the firearm, and these days must have a NICS check performed through the FBI online system (NICS = National Instant Check System). But once the firearm is in possession of a private citizen, unless the firearm is sold back to a licensed dealer, its whereabouts and who owns it is a matter of conjecture. For example, I once bought a revolver for my wife as a birthday present (she had a concealed carry permit). I bought it from a licensed dealer. You could say that the revolver was registered to me, since my name was on the federal form, but gun registration in Washington state is a null item. After she passed away, I gave it to one of my sons. It was a perfectly legal transfer, in the sense that no law prevented it, since my son was not a prohibited person (e.g. not a felon). My wife and I went to a gun show once upon a time, and she was rather entranced by a pump shotgun some guy was selling, and we bought it. There was no paperwork involved, as it was a private sale. After she passed away, I gave the shotgun to her best friend, who lived out in the country and was worried about reports of a mountain lion being seen in the area. No law was broken in this case, either. 4 minutes ago, Calm said: If not, turning them over to the cops seems like the intelligent thing to do to me, since without papers, it’s illegal as well, correct? If I found a couple of firearms as Chum's son did, I'd definitely check with the police to determine if the firearms were stolen. I would not want to be found in possession of a stolen firearm. If they were stolen, the police would take custody of them of course. If not, depending on the jurisdiction, you might very well be allowed to retain possession, since as I wrote above, ownership is virtually impossible to determine. 1
Calm Posted December 24, 2021 Posted December 24, 2021 It seems stupid to me we have to register cars and not guns…and I know the premise it could be used by a government seizing control for itself permanently against its own citizens. But this is political I guess. 2
Stargazer Posted December 24, 2021 Posted December 24, 2021 52 minutes ago, Calm said: It seems stupid to me we have to register cars and not guns…and I know the premise it could be used by a government seizing control for itself permanently against its own citizens. The horses have left the barn on that one. Laws pertaining to automobile registration were enacted almost as soon as they came onto the market. But firearms have been around and unregistered in the US for over 300 years. Plus, there is a right to bear arms, but no right to drive a car. Ask any police officer or judge, and they will tell you that it is a privilege to drive, not a right. Guns, on the other hand... To enforce a mandatory gun registration program, the police (possibly accompanied by the Army) would have to go door-to-door and search every structure in the country. Little countries like the UK, where there never was much of a gun culture (because it's been settled for a few thousand years), and the right to bear arms has been abrogated for a really long time, can do it easily. And they do. 52 minutes ago, Calm said: But this is political I guess. Yep. Note that while my opinion on this subject is very decided and strong, I am not about to take this thread into forbidden territory. 🙂 All I've written on the topic in this thread is to state the facts as they stand in the US. You oughta see the laws in England related to firearms ownership! I know they inspire some people in the US. You may or may not be interested to read how hard it is to get a licence to own a firearm in England is, but just in case, here's some info put out by a shooting club in England: Silverstone Shooting Centre. 1
Chum Posted December 25, 2021 Posted December 25, 2021 16 hours ago, Stargazer said: Definitely get rid of the Beretta. .25 caliber is virtually useless. Might be able to sell it to someone who doesn't care. The 1918 Luger, if functional, is a definite keeper. Probably has good value, both as a defensive firearm as well as a collector item. Even if non-functional, it can probably be repaired and still be valuable. It all happened about 3 years ago. The friend's g-pa was a gun guy and uncle was a deputy. We left the guns with g-pa. They figured the guns couldn't be legally sold to minors so the uncle wound up driving them back where they came from (4hr round trip). 1
The Nehor Posted December 25, 2021 Author Posted December 25, 2021 12 hours ago, Stargazer said: The horses have left the barn on that one. Laws pertaining to automobile registration were enacted almost as soon as they came onto the market. But firearms have been around and unregistered in the US for over 300 years. Plus, there is a right to bear arms, but no right to drive a car. Ask any police officer or judge, and they will tell you that it is a privilege to drive, not a right. Guns, on the other hand... To enforce a mandatory gun registration program, the police (possibly accompanied by the Army) would have to go door-to-door and search every structure in the country. Little countries like the UK, where there never was much of a gun culture (because it's been settled for a few thousand years), and the right to bear arms has been abrogated for a really long time, can do it easily. And they do. Yep. Note that while my opinion on this subject is very decided and strong, I am not about to take this thread into forbidden territory. 🙂 All I've written on the topic in this thread is to state the facts as they stand in the US. You oughta see the laws in England related to firearms ownership! I know they inspire some people in the US. You may or may not be interested to read how hard it is to get a licence to own a firearm in England is, but just in case, here's some info put out by a shooting club in England: Silverstone Shooting Centre. Yeah, in the UK it is generally only legacy weapons and a few that are authorized to deal with predator species given to people who raise livestock and the latter aren’t needed much anymore.
sunstoned Posted December 29, 2021 Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) On 12/23/2021 at 10:47 PM, Chum said: Firearms bring one closer to Christ. Well, other people's firearms. My understanding is that now you call legally carry concealed in Utah without a permit. I'm a gun owner, but think this is a step backwards. Edited December 29, 2021 by sunstoned
Stargazer Posted December 29, 2021 Posted December 29, 2021 10 hours ago, sunstoned said: My understanding is that now you call legally carry concealed in Utah without a permit. I'm a gun owner, but think this is a step backwards. This "Constitutional Carry" thing is now the law in about 19 states. It's not uncommon now.
Chum Posted December 29, 2021 Posted December 29, 2021 10 hours ago, sunstoned said: My understanding is that now you call legally carry concealed in Utah without a permit. I'm a gun owner, but think this is a step backwards. I'm gun agnostic. I could support some careful regulation if we'd first try what we haven't. I think we should stop rewarding shooters with years of loud press (pol PR, etc) about their accomplishment. I believe what we started with Columbine (massively amp'd coverage, endless media memorials) is siren-calling future shooters. If a sufficient period of reduced, quiet coverage doesn't move the needle, I would support regulation. I think that might shift us back to increased bombings. However, the 1970s showed the FBI can sharply reduce those attacks[1]. [1] The 1970s FBI reduced bombings, once they abandoned surveilling Americans (not suspected of a crime) in favor of actual police work.
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