'A message from the gay community performed by the san francisco gay mens chorus'

[Calm]

16 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Regarding the first two, absolutely!  But I'm afraid I seem too provincial for saying so, since one of the expressed aims of compiling a new hymnal is to reflect the internationalization of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints better.

Just say put it in the digital section of it. 

[The Nehor]

1 minute ago, smac97 said:

Not really.  

Oh, the irony.

I did not assume.  

Yes.  Because I would have been invested in that accusation.  As it was, I was not particularly invested in the one under discussion.

Not really.

Thanks,

-Smac

And you would fry anyone who flippantly suggested someone you cared about was a pedophile. I don’t have any personal investment in your character but if I suggested you were a closet cannibal I suspect you would think my insinuation was vile even if I did see someone saying it was true on Facebook and/or YouTube.

If I later said I was wrong and that it was smac96 that was eating his own children would you expect me to apologize? Okay, bad example. If someone else on the board did that would you expect them to apologize?

[smac97]

Just now, SeekingUnderstanding said:

So it’s okay to bandy about unsubstantiated accusations of pedophilia

I haven't done that.  

Just now, SeekingUnderstanding said:

as long as we aren’t “particularly invested”. 

I saw an accusation.  I looked into it.  I found what appeared to be corroborating evidence.  I didn't spend much time on it because I was not accusing anyone.  The registry has a guy who was convicted, and his name was similar to one of the singers, and his mugshot looked somewhat similar to one of the singers.  

As it turns out, I was mistaken.  Again, I stand corrected.

Just now, SeekingUnderstanding said:

I’m getting close to bannable territory (if I haven’t reached there already) so I’m going to bow out.

Probably a good idea.

Just now, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Enjoy your delusions. 

I wasn't deluded.  I was factually mistaken.  It happens.

Thanks,

-Smac

[The Nehor]

6 minutes ago, smac97 said:

Oh, the irony.

You already killed irony. Try to keep up.

[Calm]

Smac, is there a reason why you haven’t edited your post to remove the false accusations yet (sincere question)?

Edited July 8, 2021 by Calm

[smac97]

Just now, The Nehor said:

And you would fry anyone who flippantly suggested someone you cared about was a pedophile.

I didn't do that.

Just now, The Nehor said:

I don’t have any personal investment in your character

Sure seems like it.  You and the ironically-named "SeekingUnderstanding" sure are spending a lot of time on me rather than on the topic.

Just now, The Nehor said:

If I later said I was wrong and that it was smac96 that was eating his own children would you expect me to apologize? Okay, bad example. If someone else on the board did that would you expect them to apologize?

Sure.  Do you think I should go track down Earl and apologize to him?  Serious question.

Thanks,

-Smac

[smac97]

2 minutes ago, Calm said:

Smac, is there a reason why you haven’t edited your post to remove the false accusations yet (sincere question)?

Done.

Thanks,

-Smac

[smac97]

3 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

You already killed irony. Try to keep up.

Oh, the irony.

Thanks,

-Smac

[SeekingUnderstanding]

20 minutes ago, Calm said:

Thank you. That means a lot. 

Would have done it for many others too. Accusing people of child abuse in an online mob actually ruins people’s lives. It’s disgusting to me especially when done just to score points (a low blow even for my least favorite poster here) and I reacted poorly to it. 
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/30/technology/change-my-google-results.html

[The Nehor]

37 minutes ago, smac97 said:

Sure seems like it.  You and the ironically-named "SeekingUnderstanding" sure are spending a lot of time on me rather than on the topic.

The entire OP is you not understanding what the song conveyed. How can you not be the topic?

[The Nehor]

37 minutes ago, smac97 said:

Oh, the irony.

You might want to look that word up.

[let’s roll]

59 minutes ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

If I had just slandered two men, I’d apologize, instead you double down. I wonder why?

 

I’m choosing to consider your redaction as an apology and join @Calm in thanking you for doing so.

[SeekingUnderstanding]

2 minutes ago, let’s roll said:

I’m choosing to consider your redaction as an apology and join @Calm in thanking you for doing so.

The redaction was an apology to the rest of the board. I reacted both strongly and poorly. Calm has a unique way of trying to get us to be our better selves. I stand by comments on SMAC. 

[Scott Lloyd]

1 hour ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

If I had just slandered two men, I’d apologize, instead you double down. I wonder why?

 

He didn’t double down. He said he stands corrected. 

[SeekingUnderstanding]

19 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

He didn’t double down. He said he stands corrected. 

He also said that expecting 20 seconds of Google effort before participating in an online lynch mob (to be clear the mob was on Facebook and Smac tried to bring it here) was just too much to expect of him. Accusations of pedophilia live for a long time online. I suspect that if it was about someone you knew or cared for you’d be incensed. But it’s just “the gays,” so an “I stand corrected” while doubling down on the fact he didn’t do anything wrong is the best that can be expected. 

Edited July 8, 2021 by SeekingUnderstanding

[Scott Lloyd]

3 hours ago, smac97 said:

I guess it's the innuendo.  Adult men singing about coming for other people's children is creepy.  Adult men singing about subverting parents is creepy.

Some quotes from comments on the Facebook posting (UPDATE: This posting is now locked) :

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Removed incorrect identification of one of the singers.

So yeah.  Innuendo.  A bunch of adult men singing about subverting parents and "coming for your children" is pretty creepy.  

Here's the YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA

The video was up and viewable as of a few minutes ago, but appears to be locked down now.  One of the few of the still-visible comments to it:

Yep.

From the YouTube intro:

First, I reject any responses that are threatening or hateful.  That is plainly inappropriate.  

Second, these guys do seem to be doubling down.  "Many children are not being taught the truth. Our message to you from the gay community: we will continue do our best to counter the message of hate by teaching young people to be tolerant and fair."  I think there are ways to share your position without overtly and gloatingly bragging about your intention to subvert/undermine parents vis-à-vis their children.

One more screen cap:

In less than a week this vid racked up 7.3 thousand dislikes out of less then 42,000 views.  And only 116 upvotes.

Thanks,

-Smac

So in social media parlance, the video was “ratio’d.” 
 

No wonder they took it down. 
 

Added later:  The piece doesn’t come across to me as sarcasm so much as in-your-face taunting. 
 

If the intent of sarcasm is to escalate divisiveness and ill will, I suppose the video succeeded. 
 

If the intent of sarcasm is to illuminate and clarify, this failed miserably. 

Edited July 8, 2021 by Scott Lloyd

[Scott Lloyd]

24 minutes ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

He also said that expecting 20 seconds of Google effort before participating in an online lynch mob (to be clear the mob was on Facebook and Smac tried to bring it here) was just too much to expect of him. Accusations of pedophilia live for a long time online. I suspect that if it was about someone you knew or cared for you’d be incensed. But it’s just “the gays,” so an “I stand corrected” while doubling down on the fact he didn’t do anything wrong is the best that can be expected. 

You seem to labor under a quirky definition of “doubling down”; i.e. doubling down is anything short of genuflecting to you in abject humiliation. 

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said:

So in social media parlance, the video was “ratio’d.” 
 

No wonder they took it down. 
 

Added later:  The piece doesn’t come across to me as sarcasm so much as in-your-face taunting. 
 

If the intent of sarcasm is to escalate divisiveness and ill will, I suppose the video succeeded. 
 

If the intent of sarcasm is to illuminate and clarify, this failed miserably. 

Classic case of overestimating the intelligence of the audience. Hopefully they won’t make the same mistake again.

[Scott Lloyd]

29 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Classic case of overestimating the intelligence of the audience. Hopefully they won’t make the same mistake again.

In years past, I saw Dr. Peterson invoke a German proverb. The context differs, but I think it applies here: 

This animal is extremely vicious. When attacked, it bites. 

Edited July 8, 2021 by Scott Lloyd

[The Nehor]

1 minute ago, Scott Lloyd said:

In years past, I saw Dr. Peterson invoke a German proverb. The context differs, but I think it applies here: 

This animal is extremely vicious. When attacked, it bites. 

Which is irrelevant since it wasn’t an attack. So I give you this Nephite proverb:

“This moron is extremely vicious. When lightly mocked it declares war and posts endless screeds on social media to rile up other morons.”

The Nephites were truly a wise people.

[Scott Lloyd]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Which is irrelevant since it wasn’t an attack. 

Taunting and mocking parents by declaring you are coming for their children? Surely seems like an attack to me. 
 

And you disparage the intelligence of people who don’t take kindly to it? 
 

The mind fairly reels!

Edited July 8, 2021 by Scott Lloyd

[Meadowchik]

8 hours ago, Bob Crockett said:

The problem with smac's post is that he assumes that my gay employees subscribe to this garbage.  It looks like garbage exploited by the right wing.

It looks like the type of scare-mongering posted on extreme right-wing media sites. I'd be curious to know how SMAC first learned about it.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Taunting and mocking parents by declaring you are coming for their children? Surely seems like an attack to me. 
 

And you disparage the intelligence of people who don’t take kindly to it? 
 

The mind fairly reels!

I get it. You don’t understand what the song was about or what it was communicating. Just don’t try to draw conclusions about what was being communicated if you don’t understand it. The statements you are handwringing about are part of a deliberate and OBVIOUS parody. They are pretending to be the “gay agenda” you live in perpetual fear with their verbiage mimicking the paranoid ravings of those who would make them the source of all evil. While doing that they subvert the whole thing by changing the objective from the one you are paranoid about to the one they actually seek which is relatively benign.

It is also worth noting that by acting outraged in ignorance you are furthering their goals. The younger generation that is not poisoned gets the message and has a good laugh at the caricature. Meanwhile the outraged nuts further alienate the next generation by behaving like the caricature and looking like humor-blind idiots while they do it.

So, this outrage is hurrying social change you ostensibly do not want. Either that or you are one of our plants in the establishment in which case I commend your commitment to the resistance comrade! ALL HAIL THE REVOLUTION!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Important Note: If you feel the urge to lambast me as a communist or crazy revolutionary for what I just wrote I will give you a little hint:

[smac97]

7 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

He also said that expecting 20 seconds of Google effort before participating in an online lynch mob (to be clear the mob was on Facebook and Smac tried to bring it here) was just too much to expect of him.

I said no such thing.

7 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Accusations of pedophilia live for a long time online.  

I cited a state sex offender registry.

7 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

I suspect that if it was about someone you knew or cared for you’d be incensed.

Agreed.

7 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

But it’s just “the gays,”

Oh, brother.  I said nothing like this.

7 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

so an “I stand corrected”

Exactly what are you expecting?

7 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

while doubling down on the fact he didn’t do anything wrong is the best that can be expected. 

I haven't done that.

Thanks,

-Smac

[Kenngo1969]

5 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

In years past, I saw Dr. Peterson invoke a German proverb. The context differs, but I think it applies here: 

This animal is extremely vicious. When attacked, it bites. 

It's French: Çette animal est très méchant.  Quand on l'attaque, il se defend.  "This animal is very vicious.  When attacked, it defends itself."