Igor Loza Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 I have been wondering about this topic lately. I leave with my wife and kids along with my father in law. So we have arguments about who is the patriarch at home.
Jeanne Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 I vote your wife!! How about no patriarch and a family that shares thought and decisions together...! 2
Popular Post juliann Posted April 12, 2020 Popular Post Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Igor Loza said: I have been wondering about this topic lately. I leave with my wife and kids along with my father in law. So we have arguments about who is the patriarch at home. Arguing about it kind of defeats the point, doesn't it? If such a thing has to be determined, I would do by whose house it is. If FIL is living with you, then you and vice versa. If it is everybody's house, you would "preside" over your own family with your wife as your co-partner. Remember, if you are a patriarch, your wife is a matriarch. It sounds like your FIL may need to feel useful, however. If he doesn't expect to make decisions for you and your wife, why not give him the title and let him call who says prayers and such? 6
JamesBYoung Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 Patriarch is a male title. Thus, if it is FIL's home, then he is the Patriarch. If it is the SIL's home, then he is the Patriarch. And do not ever, never discount the power and might and awesomeness of the Matriarch. 1
rpn Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 He may be your landlord, but he isn't in charge of you and your family ecclesiastically or personally (not even his child, your wife). You are patriarch in your household, even as he is patriarch in his (in partnership with your MIL). And the fact that he doesn't know this, and you are having trouble with his unrighteous dominion attempts suggests that both of you could use another look at that section in the Doctrine and Covenants that talks about misusing priesthood authority (and that you both ought to stay away from each other as much as possible, including getting your own place or tiny house in the backyard). 2
Robert F. Smith Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 11 hours ago, JamesBYoung said: ............................. And do not ever, never discount the power and might and awesomeness of the Matriarch. Some captains of industry, who are powerful and very authoritarian, wisely leave the home management to the wife. "Yes dear" is the wisest thing they can say. 1
Robert F. Smith Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 7 hours ago, rpn said: He may be your landlord, but he isn't in charge of you and your family ecclesiastically or personally (not even his child, your wife). You are patriarch in your household, even as he is patriarch in his (in partnership with your MIL). And the fact that he doesn't know this, and you are having trouble with his unrighteous dominion attempts suggests that both of you could use another look at that section in the Doctrine and Covenants that talks about misusing priesthood authority (and that you both ought to stay away from each other as much as possible, including getting your own place or tiny house in the backyard). That all depends very much on the culture, and on the actual leadership capabilities of some of those old men. In ancient Rome, the pater familias had the power of life and death over his extended family (including his children and grandchildren, and greatgrandchildren). Obedience was paramount. You seem to be speaking of the recent nuclear family, even though most of history has been dominated by the extended family. And that is still true in places like the Philippines, where everyone lives in a family compound, including aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, etc., in a multigenerational clan. In his day, Abraham was the patriarch (with 318 retainers at his beck and call). Lehi was patriarch of his clan.
Amulek Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 On 4/13/2020 at 3:33 AM, Robert F. Smith said: In ancient Rome, the pater familias [...] You just had to go and bring up the pater familias. Great. Now I'm going to have to resist the urge to add O Brother, Where Art Thou? to my movie queue this weekend. 1
The Nehor Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Leadership is decided by a duel at dawn. Challenger selects location while the challenged chooses the weapon. 1
katherine the great Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 Is this a serious thread? Aren't we past the patriarchy yet? 1
Calm Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, katherine the great said: Is this a serious thread? Aren't we past the patriarchy yet? Depends on how one defines it.
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