JamesBYoung

The ad was expected by me. It had to happen sooner or later, because of the super cool LDS and not LDS I have known in Utah.

Enola Holmes

I have no trouble with contractual civil unions.

Revelation would be needed on (1) civil unions and marriages of LGBTQ+ and (2) if sex within those constructs was sinful.

Yes, you were, and I put an end to it. We are done.

Think what you want. It will not change the community in the slightest how it responds to this. It won't be by Anne's instruction.

I am not inclined to accept opinions on how a few think the community should heal. Kimball's funeral service online and is available in FB. It was described by a friend as a "powerful service" and a "step in the healing process." Remarks can be found Mormon Hub and Mormon Historian in FB We are all blessed by the strength and power of the Mormon Studies community. Kimball's decades-long behavior will not destroy it, and as the community works together it will heal and get better.

I am not anti-woman. That is merely your odd tirade about my correction of Anne McMullin's attacks on anyone, man or woman, who opposes her wanting to guide the process of grieving and reconstruction of the Mormon Studies community. I counsel you to become aware that no one needs to follow your or Anne's counsel. The community will follow its own guidance.

Those words "emotional and hysterical" are yours, juliann. I know some of what Lindsay is hearing, and in that I have not seen anyone call either of her or Anne by those words. Anne can argue with John Dehlin all she wants. I have met Johns several times. I am reading that he made unwanted advances towards several women and that he never was any threat at all towards kids, etc. He should be called out if he crossed the line. As should any woman who does the same. I have not read of any woman crossing the line. What we don't need is toxic attacks on men or women as groups.

Corrected the post above.

The "anti-woman" out burst is in your head; I called out Anne McMullin, who does not represent all of womanhood. I disagree that we have to heal our community her way, which includes an attack on men. I called out Anne's unreasonable attack on all men. If a few woman join here, I can critique them with being anti-woman. You can believe that "everyone" agree with you, but that is not a compelling argument besides not being true. You should read this various FB groups such as Mormon Hub and Mormon Historians for example. You are way behind on this issue.

You are not making sense. Anne has the right to say what she wants, and people on other forums are calling her out for her attempt to make everybody follow her lead, with a very, very few supporting her. Some of those who disagree with her have equal credentials. Who is involved in "Mormon Studies" is a grouping that is very, very diverse, and as such can tell Anne to follow her own counsel and to simmer down if the great majority do not.

Lindsay has not replied. One person is demanding that everyone do it her way and is name shaming people who don't agree with her. Won't happen. That I point out the toxic nature of this one women is not an anti-woman rage. That is not a logical conclusion. Every person that was wounded by Tom's behavior may make her or his own decisions in resolving the offense and hurt. The Mormon Studies group will work this out in the way that most of us, women and men, believe it should be worked, not at the demands of one person.

Quite the reverse.

Calm needs to read all of McMullin's diatribes before expressing an unformed opinion. Anne has no trouble whiplashing other women (such as Lindsay Hansen Park) who im see believes are injuring the victims by protecting the pedos. imo, Lindsay did nothing of the sort.