Calm Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Tacenda said: That's why I said the ones that are handmade all over, and not being allowed at the hospitals because they aren't N95. Might as well use them, they are easy to make on our own, and will help IMO. Except they may give false confidence and lead to people going out more thinking they are protected when they aren't. If a mask is poorly fitted, this may lead to a person touching their face more often (adjusting glasses getting steamed up, etc). In some cases this might even increase infection problems.
Tacenda Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Calm said: Tacenda, is this part yours or hers? This graph is inaccurate in its claims of who wears masks and who doesn't, the population in China tends to wear masks as well. Masks are popular in all Asian countries that I am aware of, in part because of high air pollution fears. Also it is generally accepted that Japan is not likely reporting cases because of their desire to keep the Olympics going among other things, so shouldn't trust that number. Singapore did massive, massive efforts, including testing temperatures of all customers before letting them into stores, students and staff at school, etc. (Sister-in-law lived there). Korea was wearing masks lots beforehand and still had an implosion, but when it happened what got it under control was not more masks, but out of the world testing and tracking through credit cards, phones, and CCTV (there is about 1 for every 6 people). The above graph is the type of misinformation that is not helpful, imo. I saw it on FB, and I've been trying to track it down ever since and post the information that went along with it. But not finding it, I understand that it may make people hoard the real thing, and I have not shared it anywhere but here. I'm just thinking of those people making them, and then some hospitals saying they can't use them, and thinking maybe they'd come in handy one day for any of us.
Calm Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I saw it on FB, and I've been trying to track it down ever since and post the information that went along with it. But not finding it, I understand that it may make people hoard the real thing, and I have not shared it anywhere but here. I'm just thinking of those people making them, and then some hospitals saying they can't use them, and thinking maybe they'd come in handy one day for any of us. Don't bother finding where the graph came from because it is false information and you would be spreading lies. There are countries that typically wear masks in the "no masks" group (China the obvious one***)and it ignores the other factors for the "masks" group (testing, tracking, lockdown measures in Singapore prior to spread, etc). ***https://www.dw.com/en/life-behind-a-mask-chinas-cities-still-choking-on-smog/a-42199104 I like the comments from the professional, but this graph should be clearly marked as not coming from her because it destroys any credibility she has if people think she is claiming this. You should delete it if you can to avoid that. Edited March 30, 2020 by Calm
Tacenda Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Calm said: Don't bother finding where the graph came from because it is false information and you would be spreading lies. There are countries that typically wear masks in the "no masks" group (China the obvious one***)and it ignores the other factors for the "masks" group (testing, tracking, lockdown measures in Singapore prior to spread, etc). ***https://www.dw.com/en/life-behind-a-mask-chinas-cities-still-choking-on-smog/a-42199104 I like the comments from the professional, but this graph should be clearly marked as not coming from her because it destroys any credibility she has if people think she is claiming this. You should delete it if you can to avoid that. If I could delete the graph from this thread I would, but it's too late and I'm unable to with my status. Mods, if your reading? I haven't shared the graph anywhere else. Sorry if I caused anyone to want to go buy a mask, the healthcare people need them more than us. I was speaking only of the homemade ones, but they are also needed to help cover the good ones and protect them from getting dirty so fast, read a post from a clinic asking for them. Edited March 30, 2020 by Tacenda
Calm Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tacenda said: read a post from a clinic asking for them. If a local place asks for them, then sharing that info with locals makes sense. Others might not want to use them that way in that it may make more work for them (I don't know if masks have to be disposed in hazardous material, but if they do, adding a bunch of cloth ones might overburden the system, while adding them to the laundry might increase work out of proportion to what they save). Probably not a good idea to spread the request broader than the area actually asking for them in order to prevent the idea these homemade masks can prevent illness. Edited March 30, 2020 by Calm 1
Tacenda Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) It happened again, this time it was my husband's niece who picked up my MIL from the retirement home and brought her back to their house for dinner. Mind blown! It's unbelievable to have to say this, since I love for my MIL to be with family, too bad it can't be that way now with the virus. My husband was speaking to her on the phone when he found out, I just asked him what she said when he told her that wasn't a good idea. She said, "Well, the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh". Edited March 30, 2020 by Tacenda
Calm Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) You might report them to the retirement home. Depending on the home, they could get barred from any visiting. My only concern would be if they kick your mil out for not complying. Do you know the rules they have put in place. It is not your mil that is only at risk, but others living there. Your relatives have no right to make the decision the risk is worth it for them. They should be told your mil has to come live with them if they insist on taking her out and she gets kicked out. There are many days my mom is ready to go, so if we were just judging for her, the risk is worth it due to quality of life and what she wants to do. But we think about the 119 other residents and stick to the rules. Not our right to decide for them. Edited March 30, 2020 by Calm
california boy Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 The place my father is living is locked down tighter than a drum. No. visitors, including immediate family allowed in except for end of life situations. Those situations are closely monitored away from the main facility. No patients are allowed out except for extreme medical visits. All guest entertainers have been canceled. All excursions cancelled. All workers are screened every day. No outside entertainment allowed at all. All social gatherings within the facility are canceled. They now have movie night broadcasts to their rooms rather than the community area. Exercise class has at least 6' separation. They are deadly serious about protecting those within the facility. If the virus gets into a retirement home, given their age, it is highly likely that most of those living there would not make it. I honestly just don't get the lack of concern I am hearing from the state of Utah. Your husband's niece would not have even been allowed in the front door. She put every single person in that facility at risk. 2
Calm Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, california boy said: Your husband's niece would not have even been allowed in the front door. They may not be using the front door. They can’t block access out through side doors or spare staff to place a guard on them. My mom’s place has a door out to a patio (one of four apartments in her place that do) that we usually use to enter and leave through, but no one is using it for that at this point as far as I am aware. If a resident chooses to leave through an alternate door, not sure what can be done for that. They would have to change the locks at the very least. Unfortunately it only takes one person out of all the residents to screw things up for the rest. Edited March 30, 2020 by Calm
Calm Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: It happened again, this time it was my husband's niece who picked up my MIL from the retirement home and brought her back to their house for dinner. Mind blown! It's unbelievable to have to say this, since I love for my MIL to be with family, too bad it can't be that way now with the virus. My husband was speaking to her on the phone when he found out, I just asked him what she said when he told her that wasn't a good idea. She said, "Well, the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh". Are you complaining to them or just here? Letting them know you think they are wrong is important. Your husband’s siblings and him should get together and decide consequences if rules are broken. What kind of retirement place is it? Care facility of some sort or just senior living center? Edited March 30, 2020 by Calm
Tacenda Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, Calm said: Are you complaining to them or just here? Letting them know you think they are wrong is important. Your husband’s siblings and him should get together and decide consequences if rules are broken. What kind of retirement place is it? Care facility of some sort or just senior living center? It's Legacy Retirement Residence in South Jordan. My husband stressed to her that she could get it and bring it back with her. She has also been going for eye appointments to get shots for macular degeneration, but that's different. Another brother is also upset so hopefully between the two of them they'll put it out to the family to stop that.
Calm Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 According to the Washington post, Itah isn't doing too bad in terms of social distancing (using phones to track): https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/03/24/social-distancing-maps-cellphone-location/
Calm Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Tacenda said: It's Legacy Retirement Residence in South Jordan. My husband stressed to her that she could get it and bring it back with her. She has also been going for eye appointments to get shots for macular degeneration, but that's different. Another brother is also upset so hopefully between the two of them they'll put it out to the family to stop that. That is not a medical assistance facility. It is likely like living in a hotel with dining and cleaning services with the addition of an emergency alert system (if like the place my mother used to live, they pulled the cord in the bathroom once a day to signify they were alive or in an emergency; my dad was vomiting for 12 hours and no one there had a clue because Mom didn't realize it was an emergency and Dad wasn't aware enough to pull the cord for help..I don't think it was in his bathroom, just hers). Is it under quarantine at all? They likely don't have the staff to be able to isolate residents in their rooms like they do at my mother's place. My mom's place can go from slightly above that level of care up (they do monthly health checks) to 24/7 assistance in the memory care unit. Currently Mom gets checked minimum 6 times a day with meds, breakfast and emptying her garbage. They are currently taking temperatures daily. You should find out the protocol, if any, the residence has put into place. Everyone in the family should be notified. It is understandable if she is not getting greater care in her home, but more or less is on her own that family is concerned about leaving her alone. There is no way I would not be visiting my mother when she was in her own home by herself prior to this move. Your mother in law should be the one saying "no". If she is not capable of that, then there needs to be a sibling making those decisions for her and enforcing them...with legal threats if necessary imo. Edited March 30, 2020 by Calm
Tacenda Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 47 minutes ago, california boy said: The place my father is living is locked down tighter than a drum. No. visitors, including immediate family allowed in except for end of life situations. Those situations are closely monitored away from the main facility. No patients are allowed out except for extreme medical visits. All guest entertainers have been canceled. All excursions cancelled. All workers are screened every day. No outside entertainment allowed at all. All social gatherings within the facility are canceled. They now have movie night broadcasts to their rooms rather than the community area. Exercise class has at least 6' separation. They are deadly serious about protecting those within the facility. If the virus gets into a retirement home, given their age, it is highly likely that most of those living there would not make it. I honestly just don't get the lack of concern I am hearing from the state of Utah. Your husband's niece would not have even been allowed in the front door. She put every single person in that facility at risk. I'm shocked about it. My husband wondered if she snuck out. There is an outside door nearby going downstairs from the second floor and it leads out to the back of the building. And they aren't checked in or out at the front. I'll have to call the office and see what the restrictions are. I know they weren't allowing visitors but her visiting others is just as bad.
Calm Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I know they weren't allowing visitors but her visiting others is just as bad. If they aren't checking people in, this is meaningless and is just advice. They may not have the power to do anything else though if they just provide meals and housekeeping, but have no medical or otherwise authority over residents. https://legacyretiresouthjordan.com/independent-living/
Tacenda Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Calm said: That is not a medical assistance facility. It is likely like living in a hotel with dining and cleaning services with the addition of an emergency alert system (if like the place my mother used to live, they pulled the cord in the bathroom once a day to signify they were alive or in an emergency; my dad was vomiting for 12 hours and no one there had a clue because Mom didn't realize it was an emergency and Dad wasn't aware enough to pull the cord for help..I don't think it was in his bathroom, just hers). Is it under quarantine at all? They likely don't have the staff to be able to isolate residents in their rooms like they do at my mother's place. My mom's place can go from slightly above that level of care up (they do monthly health checks) to 24/7 assistance in the memory care unit. Currently Mom gets checked minimum 6 times a day with meds, breakfast and emptying her garbage. They are currently taking temperatures daily. You should find out the protocol, if any, the residence has put into place. Everyone in the family should be notified. It is understandable if she is not getting greater care in her home, but more or less is on her own that family is concerned about leaving her alone. There is no way I would not be visiting my mother when she was in her own home by herself prior to this move. Your mother in law should be the one saying "no". If she is not capable of that, then there needs to be a sibling making those decisions for her and enforcing them...with legal threats if necessary imo. Wow I guess I thought it was more an assisted living arrangement. My first clue should have been when you don't sign them in and out like where my mom lived.
Kenngo1969 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 An interesting discussion about, and argument against, the idea that, "If bats carry so many zoonotic diseases, won't we solve the problem by getting rid of the bats?" (Though that would be much easier said than done, for reasons also discussed in the video.) The discussion of the respiratory distress group of diseases that bats carry, of why and how they are resistant to them, and of how that resistance might hold keys for how those diseases might be treated successfully in humans, begins at about the 5:00 mark. https://www.komando.com/video/komando-picks/why-do-bats-carry-so-many-dangerous-diseases/732452/ I'm not sure why the link didn't imbed as a video, but if you click on the link to the redoubtable Ms. Komando's site, it should take you to it.
Calm Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Wow I guess I thought it was more an assisted living arrangement. My first clue should have been when you don't sign them in and out like where my mom lived. There are significant variations that can be missed because of places like my mom's and probably yours that does the range of services from food and up to almost nursing home level. Bestto check and see because your mil may need more help with shopping for essentials, contacts during the day, etc if your family wants her to practice social distancing. If she is the one responsible for buying paper towels, TP, her medicines, etc., does laundry...it may not seem any different to her so may seem little reason to her not to visit with others.
Calm Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) turquoise is best, orange is worst...link in above post. I wonder if Wyoming is so bad because of smaller numbers, a few bad violators might make the entire state look bad. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/03/24/social-distancing-maps-cellphone-location/ Edited March 30, 2020 by Calm
Tacenda Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Calm said: There are significant variations that can be missed because of places like my mom's and probably yours that does the range of services from food and up to almost nursing home level. Bestto check and see because your mil may need more help with shopping for essentials, contacts during the day, etc if your family wants her to practice social distancing. If she is the one responsible for buying paper towels, TP, her medicines, etc., does laundry...it may not seem any different to her so may seem little reason to her not to visit with others. Good points.
Tacenda Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Calm said: turquoise is best, orange is worst...link in above post. I wonder if Wyoming is so bad because of smaller numbers, a few bad violators might make the entire state look bad. Link is where? I couldn't locate it. That is one bright orange color. Like the worst state in the nation. Weird because Wyoming is such an expansive area without a lot of people to fill it.
Rain Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Calm said: turquoise is best, orange is worst...link in above post. I wonder if Wyoming is so bad because of smaller numbers, a few bad violators might make the entire state look bad. Is there a lot of ranching? Or something with a lot of travel? I couldn't see all of the article, but one of the things it talked about was distance traveled - "reduction of distance traveled" as an indicator that people are staying home, but that doesn't necessarily mean actually social distancing. Edited March 30, 2020 by Rain
Calm Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) Too bad, looks like Utah has gone down a level along with a number of other states. Lots more states in orange as well. https://www.unacast.com/covid19 However, I am wondering if the system works for smaller numbers given it is the low density counties that are orange in Utah: https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard Edited March 30, 2020 by Calm
Rain Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Calm said: Too bad, looks like Utah has gone down a level along with a number of other states. Lots more states in orange as well. https://www.unacast.com/covid19 That could make perfect sense with all the missionaries coming home even if we ignore the groups of people. That's, I don't know, 6000? trips to the airport from all around the state. (Just wild guessed that we had half of the 12000 coming home to Utah so far). Edited March 30, 2020 by Rain
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