Update on Story Re: Missing Kids (Daybell)

[Calm]

3 hours ago, katherine the great said:

Extreme mental illness or fraud? Both? I don’t understand how she still has a following. 

From what I have read she admits to having some mental health issues.  She has also apparently has a couple of public meltdowns.  I don’t know how she can keep changing her story and believe it herself, but it could be possible. 

[katherine the great]

38 minutes ago, Calm said:

From what I have read she admits to having some mental health issues.  She has also apparently has a couple of public meltdowns.  I don’t know how she can keep changing her story and believe it herself, but it could be possible. 

My thought: Once this became her livelihood, she risks too much to admit she was wrong. 

[Calm]

5 hours ago, katherine the great said:

My thought: Once this became her livelihood, she risks too much to admit she was wrong. 

Especially now she’s single. But my guess is the attention is more important to her.  But that is just a random ‘feel’, not saying I have anything really to base it on save I think someone interested more in money would be less aggressive at times with others, but she may have found aggression ups interest. 

[Tacenda]

I guess 20/20 is doing a show on the Daybell's this Friday. Here's the promo:

 

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/2020-event-special-friday-98c-abc-76067517

 

Edited February 25, 2021 by Tacenda

[Tacenda]

On 2/12/2021 at 7:37 AM, Calm said:

Julie Rowe is getting a divorce, none of it is her fault she wants to make clear.  
 

http://julieroweprepare.com/julies-divorce/

Abuse... maybe his refusal to go along with the constantly changing stories...maybe he thinks she should get counseling?  Maybe he refused to walk from the Church when she got excommunicated?

 Went checking on  her because she was on Nancy Grace saying she had these creepy visions before Tammy died, etc...pity she never bothered to say anything and instead insisted the kids were fine and CD was innocent, etc.

Can’t confirm most of this, but they fall in line with what I have read before.  Number 2 is not surprising given it was Chad Daybell making money off her books.

https://wheatandtares.org/2019/06/05/end-times-visionary-julie-rowe-excommunicated/

From the LDSFF last Nov (when she announced her divorce):

Julie herself...

 

 

On 2/12/2021 at 9:53 AM, katherine the great said:

Extreme mental illness or fraud? Both? I don’t understand how she still has a following. 

Stumbled across someone posting on FB about her and then took a look for myself and what she puts on FB is bizarre, I'm surprized people go to her zoom events. This was fairly recent, something about codes.

Tell your friends the Tiger project is in full swing. My eyes are on you and you can only hide for so long. 4202021. Cracker Barrel. In for the long ride. Shake. Rattle. And roll. Never smart to bring a knife to a gun fight. We are ready to punch it. Time this train leaves the trax and heads for cover. The bat is in the cave but the ball is in motion. Run for the hills. Center point. Reprogram. Unit one storehouse four stage left front and center. Rewind and do it all again. They will get the message. If they don’t they are in for a bruising. Over and out.

Copy

 

 

Code is real. Satanic code written into the births, deaths and various other dates.

The light side has their code too. My birthdate is 01-06-1973. My marriage date was 04-24-1996. My divorce date will be soon. Would have been 25 yr anniversary on 04-24-2021. Breaking contracts from multiple blood lines. Destroying curse energy. The information is in the details. Do not underestimate the power of math. The date of the Wasatch Wakeup is significant. The date of the market crash planned too. The date of foreign invasion on U.S.soil. Matters. The date of the Big Earthquake In Utah. It really is about location. Pay attention to the code. The math. The longitude. The latitude. The solstice. The full moons. The message. More to come. Written in the scrolls.

I’m not crazy. I just know codes.

[Calm]

Just an FYI, an experienced homicide/death penalty lawyer has been added to the prosecuting team for Daybell. No word yet on Cox Daybell. 
 

Rachel Smith is from Missouri. Recommended by the consulting company the prosecutor Woods got on board apparently. 

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/03/veteran-homicide-prosecutor-will-join-case-against-chad-daybell-decision-on-lori-vallow-daybell-still-pending/

Some people are upset because they believe having the last name Smith means it likely she is a Latter-day Saint. There are a number who are assuming Saints in Idaho and elsewhere are less likely to see Daybell and Vallow as murderers or even believe that religious belief is a mitigating factor for any action taken. 
 

My reaction is that members will likely hold the two to a high standard given the known victims were children plus views on murder. 

Edited March 23, 2021 by Calm

[katherine the great]

23 hours ago, Calm said:

Some people are upset because they believe having the last name Smith means it likely she is a Latter-day Saint.

That’s absurd. Smith has to be one of the most common anglo names in the US. (but, people...)

[Calm]

Something happens every time soon after this thread makes it to the second page. 
 

Info released on Cox’s death. 
 

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/03/police-release-body-camera-footage-from-the-day-alex-cox-died/?fbclid=IwAR2zij19V3vx1ro1BQ0Yl4YqDSiVlgACY6IZ_HuA7Y12L6-OMp13IpaVwlw

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One video shows Pastenes telling investigators what happened. The day Cox died, Pastenes said Cox called a friend and received a “blessing” over the phone. EastIdahoNews.com confirmed from multiple sources this friend was Chad Daybell, who had married Lori a month earlier.

Two body camera videos show Zulema Pastenes, the widow of Alex Cox talk about the moments leading up to his death. | Gilbert Police Department

“My friend texted me saying, ‘You better get home now,'” Pastenes told police. 

Pastenes then had the stepson check on Cox. He found Cox on the floor and made the 911 call shortly after this call with Daybell.

According to Pastenes, Cox began having shortness of breath Dec. 6, 2019. The following day, Cox drove to Algodones, Mexico, to buy prescriptions because they were cheaper. When he arrived home, he reportedly felt winded but refused to get medical treatment.

Cox and Pastenes had only been married two weeks at the time of his death. They eloped in Las Vegas, and the couple moved in together.

 

Edited April 1, 2021 by Calm

[Calm]

If someone wants to refresh their memory or educate themselves about the case, here’s a timeline from one of the main media sources for the case  

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/03/the-latest-timeline-in-the-lori-and-chad-daybell-case/

Tammy Daybell’s sister first interview:

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/03/watch-tammy-daybells-sister-tells-dateline-she-was-shocked-and-betrayed-learning-chad-had-remarried/

Edited April 1, 2021 by Calm

[Calm]

Another Dateline this Friday:

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/03/dateline-nbc-to-air-mommy-doomsday-with-exclusive-new-interviews/

An FYI

https://ksltv.com/458520/attorney-of-vallows-third-husband-describes-bitter-custody-battle-hawaiian-marriage/

Edited April 1, 2021 by Calm

[Tacenda]

6 hours ago, Calm said:

Another Dateline this Friday:

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/03/dateline-nbc-to-air-mommy-doomsday-with-exclusive-new-interviews/

An FYI

https://ksltv.com/458520/attorney-of-vallows-third-husband-describes-bitter-custody-battle-hawaiian-marriage/

After reading the attorney's statement about how they were like a Hollywood couple it made me think of a movie from years ago about a woman that would kill her husbands called, "Black Widow", where she would kill her husbands for the inheritances. Lori Daybell sounds like that woman, but it's uncanny how these men like Joe and her brother died of natural causes or what looked like natural causes, along with Tammy Daybell. 

[katherine the great]

8 hours ago, Tacenda said:

movie from years ago about a woman that would kill her husbands called, "Black Widow", where she would kill her husbands for the inheritances. Lori Daybell sounds like that woman,

Where is Debra Winger when we need her?

[Tacenda]

3 hours ago, katherine the great said:

Where is Debra Winger when we need her?

Hahaha!! She needs to pay Lori & Chad a visit!

[Tacenda]

I wonder how the church will be portrayed in this Lifetime movie. https://kutv.com/news/chad-and-lori-daybell/vallow-daybell-saga-to-be-depicted-in-lifetime-movie-doomsday-mom

ALT LAKE CITY (KUTV) — A summer slate of new Lifetime movies will include a story now familiar to Utah audiences in its infamy — and one that's not yet complete.

"Doomsday Mom," premiering June 26, is based on the story of Lori Vallow Daybell, who was arrested and charged after her children's bodies were found buried in her new husband's backyard.

Vallow will be portrayed on screen by actress Lauren Lee Smith, with her husband Chad Daybell acted by Marc Blucas.

Edited April 15, 2021 by Tacenda

[Kenngo1969]

2 hours ago, Tacenda said:

I wonder how the church will be portrayed in this Lifetime movie. https://kutv.com/news/chad-and-lori-daybell/vallow-daybell-saga-to-be-depicted-in-lifetime-movie-doomsday-mom

ALT LAKE CITY (KUTV) — A summer slate of new Lifetime movies will include a story now familiar to Utah audiences in its infamy — and one that's not yet complete.

"Doomsday Mom," premiering June 26, is based on the story of Lori Vallow Daybell, who was arrested and charged after her children's bodies were found buried in her new husband's backyard.

Vallow will be portrayed on screen by actress Lauren Lee Smith, with her husband Chad Daybell acted by Marc Blucas.

Lifetime?  Uy!  No offense, but if my life story ever made it onto Lifetime, I think that would be an excellent excuse for me to slit my wrists!    (And before anybody says anything, yes, I know that suicide is no laughing matter, but if my two choices are (1) laugh or (2) scream ...)  Lifetime  isn't known for not sensationalizing things like this, is it?

Edited April 15, 2021 by Kenngo1969

[Tacenda]

1 minute ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Lifetime?  Uy!  No offense, but if my life story ever made it onto Lifetime, I think that would be an excellent excuse for me to slit my wrists!    (And before anybody says anything, yes, I know that suicide is no laughing matter, but if my two choices are (1) laugh or (2) scream ...)

I agree, Lifetime wouldn't be my first choice! 

[Kenngo1969]

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/5/14/22435101/defense-subpoena-targets-idaho-journalist-in-criminal-case-for-lori-chad-daybell

[katherine the great]

4 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said:

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/5/14/22435101/defense-subpoena-targets-idaho-journalist-in-criminal-case-for-lori-chad-daybell

Weird strategy. 

[Calm]

1 hour ago, katherine the great said:

Weird strategy. 

Wonder what Prior wants Eaton to testify to...maybe whether or not police explored other possibilities in any serious fashion?  Maybe pushing the idea that another prepper psycho was trying to set Daybell up?  Eaton did interview a number iirc in investigating the background to the case. 

[The Nehor]

On 4/14/2021 at 10:08 PM, Tacenda said:

I agree, Lifetime wouldn't be my first choice! 

Still makes me laugh.

[Tacenda]

This is good news, now on to convicting them. https://www.fox13now.com/news/crime/chad-daybell-indicted-on-3-counts-of-conspiracy-to-commit-murder?fbclid=IwAR1aZc54amziQUOhMmdZ0lRfOJe9B1TPyaSjy9NPAYVQV4pM80yqFyCjjNo

[smac97]

3 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

This is good news, now on to convicting them. https://www.fox13now.com/news/crime/chad-daybell-indicted-on-3-counts-of-conspiracy-to-commit-murder?fbclid=IwAR1aZc54amziQUOhMmdZ0lRfOJe9B1TPyaSjy9NPAYVQV4pM80yqFyCjjNo

From KSL:

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REXBURG, Idaho — Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow Daybell have been indicted for murder.

The pair were indicted by a grand jury this week on two counts of first-degree murder in connection with the deaths of Lori's children, 17-year-old Tylee Ryan and 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow, Madison County (Idaho) Prosecutor Rob Wood announced at a Tuesday news conference.

Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow Daybell were also indicted with one count of conspiracy to commit murder in the death of Tammy Daybell, Chad Daybell's deceased wife. Chad Daybell was charged with murder in connection with the death of Tammy Daybell.

Lori Vallow Daybell has also been charged with theft of Social Security benefits allocated for the care of Tylee and JJ, and Chad Daybell was charged with two counts of life insurance fraud for policies connected to Tammy Daybell.

From East Idaho News:

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The following are charges Chad and Lori are facing, according to a news release sent after Wood and Fremont County Prosecutor Lindsey Blake met with the media Tuesday afternoon:

1. Lori and Chad Daybell were indicted on the charge of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder and grand theft by deception for the death of Tylee Ryan.
2. Lori and Chad Daybell were indicted on the charge of first-degree murder for the death of Tylee Ryan.
3. Lori and Chad Daybell were indicted on the charge of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder and grand theft by deception for the death of JJ Vallow.
4. Lori and Chad Daybell were indicted on the charge of first-degree murder for the death of JJ Vallow.
5. Lori and Chad Daybell were indicted on the charge of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder in the death of Tammy Daybell.
6. Chad Daybell was indicted on the charge of first-degree murder in the death of his wife Tammy Daybell.
7. Lori Daybell was indicted on the charge of grand theft related to Social Security Survivor benefits over $1,000 allocated for the care of minors Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow that were appropriated after the children were missing and ultimately found deceased.
8. Chad Daybell was indicted on the charge of insurance fraud related to a life insurance policy he had on Tammy Daybell for which he was the beneficiary and received funds after her death.
9. Chad Daybell was indicted on the charge of insurance fraud related to another life insurance policy he had on Tammy Daybell for which he was the beneficiary and received funds after her death.

IdahoNews.com has posted a copy of the indictment, see here.

They are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Oi.  What a terrible story this is.

-Smac

[katherine the great]

I'm disgusted that we have to foot the bill for Vallow's defense. 

[Kenngo1969]

2 hours ago, katherine the great said:

I'm disgusted that we have to foot the bill for Vallow's defense. 

Certainly, I can understand that feeling ... at least to an extent.  However, I want Ms. Vallow and Mr. Daybell to get the absolute best defense they possibly can get.  I want their attorneys to do everything possible to hold the prosecution's feet to the fire.  I want them to force the prosecution to prove every element of every crime charged beyond a reasonable doubt.  I want the defense to do everything possible within the bounds of the law and legal ethics to defend their clients zealously and vigorously.  (And please remember, I say that as one of the most pro-police, pro-prosecution people you may (n)ever meet, whether solely in Cyberspace or, perhaps, one day, in real life.) 

Why?  Because the only thing that a half-@$$ed defense of Ms. Vallow and Mr. Daybell would do is build in grounds for an appeal.  I'm not certain, but I believe (because, unless I missed something, I believe they're facing the death penalty) the Defendants probably will get one appeal as of right (that is to say, even if the Defense  does everything right [not to mention the prosecution], dots every "i" and crosses every "t," does everything possible for the Defendants in the case of the Defense attorneys, and so on, they will get at least one appeal no matter what).  They shouldn't have grounds for the appeal served up to them on a silver platter.  By all means, they should be vigorously prosecuted and convicted ... provided it is done ethically, fairly, and justly.  And once that is done and once they are convicted, they can file appeals to high heaven, in any court in the land that might hear the case, it won't (wouldn't) matter ... because their convictions are absolutely, perfectly, completely, totally airtight.

Edited May 26, 2021 by Kenngo1969

[Calm]

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were also indicted with one count of conspiracy to commit murder in the death of Tammy Daybell, Chad Daybell's deceased wife. Chad Daybell was charged with murder in connection with the death of Tammy Daybell.

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'm disgusted that we have to foot the bill for Vallow's defense

I am not.  The alternative where the wealthy get defended and the poor do not is more disgusting to me....we come too close to that anyway.  There are too many innocents in jail on what were thought solid cases...we need the process and for it to work, it needs to be applied equally to all.

This sounds patronizing...it is not like you are suggesting we abolish the justice system, you might be thinking more along the lines of changing diapers, emptying septic tanks, or garbage collection....disgusting, but necessary to individual and society’s health.

I wonder if anything is going to happen with Charles Vallow’s death.  Unless there is some written confession, not sure how they could charge her given the witnesses and the guy who confessed to pulling the trigger and most likely did are all dead.

Edited May 26, 2021 by Calm