Popular Post halconero Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) “We express our deepest grief and solidarity with our Jewish friends around the world after the heinous violence perpetrated against congregants of the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh. It is our constant prayer that God will heal and protect those affected by such tragic events. When the security and religious freedom of our Jewish brothers and sisters is violated, we all suffer. Houses of worship should be safe, inviolate places for people of all faiths to join in sacred fellowship and seek communion with God.” “We condemn the environment of hate-filled rhetoric that has become so prevalent. Anti-Semitism has no place in our society. It is the responsibility of good people everywhere to speak out and stand up for each other’s rights to worship and live peacefully.” https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/statement-support-for-tree-of-life-synagogue-pittsburgh Edited October 30, 2018 by halconero 13
Scott Lloyd Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 16 hours ago, halconero said: Houses of worship should be safe, inviolate places for people of all faiths to join in sacred fellowship and seek communion with God.” Which is why I deplore the action of commandeering the pulpit in fast and testimony meeting to push one’s personal cause or political bent. @Scott Lloyd is banned from the thread for off topic comments that are completely inappropriate for a condolences thread. 2
flameburns623 Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Which is why I deplore the action of commandeering the pulpit in fast and testimony meeting to push one’s personal cause or political bent. I have a Facebook friend who regularly attends LDS services on Testimony Sunday to proclaim the "true gospel of Grace". He's had mics switched off, been asked to step away from the podium, and is reminded if he shows up at certain ward buildings that as a non-member he is not welcome to approach the pulpit. He's a radio host, howevet, and travels enough that he's always able to find a ward which isn't expecting him. My prayers are with the victims of the dastardly atack on Saturday.
RevTestament Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 I was kind of surprised to read that there were 3 congregations in the building at the time. Sounded a lot like another Church I know... I really don't understand anti-semitism. All the Jews I have known have always been extremely pleasant people. Perhaps some people(ie Neo-Nazis) are just irrationally jealous. I have put the synagogue and families affected in our prayers.
Robert F. Smith Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 4 hours ago, halconero said: ............................................. “We condemn the environment of hate-filled rhetoric that has become so prevalent. Anti-Semitism has no place in our society. It is the responsibility of good people everywhere to speak out and stand up for each other’s rights to worship and live peacefully.”................................. This is the part of that statement which I find most germane. Intolerance has become the new normal in some circles in America, and seems to be infecting much of the world. I am so glad that we do not hear invective and hatred from Pres Nelson -- just the opposite. 3
Robert F. Smith Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 43 minutes ago, flameburns623 said: I have a Facebook friend who regularly attends LDS services on Testimony Sunday to proclaim the "true gospel of Grace". He's had mics switched off, been asked to step away from the podium, and is reminded if he shows up at certain ward buildings that as a non-member he is not welcome to approach the pulpit. He's a radio host, howevet, and travels enough that he's always able to find a ward which isn't expecting him. ....................... What if one of the Three Nephites showed up uninvited on a Fast Sunday? Would the constabulary be called to expel him? We used to joke that, if Jesus showed up on BYU campus in beard, robe, and sandals, that he would immediately be arrested and placed under observation at the State Mental Hospital at the end of Center St in Provo. He would get a very sympathetic ear for his delusion that he is Jesus. They've met and humored guys like that before. 3
The Nehor Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 We just had a training in our stake on dealing with an active shooter in a chapel. Tons of fun.
Scott Lloyd Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, flameburns623 said: I have a Facebook friend who regularly attends LDS services on Testimony Sunday to proclaim the "true gospel of Grace". He's had mics switched off, been asked to step away from the podium, and is reminded if he shows up at certain ward buildings that as a non-member he is not welcome to approach the pulpit. He's a radio host, howevet, and travels enough that he's always able to find a ward which isn't expecting him. My prayers are with the victims of the dastardly atack on Saturday. What's your Facebook friend's name?
Scott Lloyd Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: What if one of the Three Nephites showed up uninvited on a Fast Sunday? Would the constabulary be called to expel him? We used to joke that, if Jesus showed up on BYU campus in beard, robe, and sandals, that he would immediately be arrested and placed under observation at the State Mental Hospital at the end of Center St in Provo. He would get a very sympathetic ear for his delusion that he is Jesus. They've met and humored guys like that before. I doubt one of the three Nephites would hold forth with false doctrine or otherwise inappropriate discourse from the pulpit. Edited to add: And when Jesus comes again, it will be in glory, and there will be no question who He is. Edited October 30, 2018 by Scott Lloyd 3
Gray Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 12 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Which is why I deplore the action of commandeering the pulpit in fast and testimony meeting to push one’s personal cause or political bent. You just commandeered this thread about shooting victims to make it about your personal hobby horse/grudge. 4
Prof Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 8 hours ago, The Nehor said: We just had a training in our stake on dealing with an active shooter in a chapel. Tons of fun. I wonder if this might change the Church's policy on members carrying guns in the building.....
Gray Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Prof said: I wonder if this might change the Church's policy on members carrying guns in the building..... I hope not. Some yahoo with a gun is more likely to accidentally shoot someone than save the day. 1
Prof Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 45 minutes ago, Gray said: I hope not. Some yahoo with a gun is more likely to accidentally shoot someone than save the day. I tend to agree! And my ward is full of yahoos! 1
LoudmouthMormon Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, The Nehor said: We just had a training in our stake on dealing with an active shooter in a chapel. Tons of fun. I'm interested - who is 'we'? My bishopric just read the security policy in ward council, and then some folks disparaged CCP holders, then they moved to the next topic. What did you folks do? Did the training involve the Run-Hide-Fight methodology? I'm a fan, in that it's much, much better than nothing. But it only works if, you know, the training actually makes it to the ward members. Edited October 30, 2018 by LoudmouthMormon
Avatar4321 Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 11 hours ago, RevTestament said: I was kind of surprised to read that there were 3 congregations in the building at the time. Sounded a lot like another Church I know... I really don't understand anti-semitism. All the Jews I have known have always been extremely pleasant people. Perhaps some people(ie Neo-Nazis) are just irrationally jealous. I have put the synagogue and families affected in our prayers. The adversary specifically stirs up animosity towards Israelites
Scott Lloyd Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Gray said: I hope not. Some yahoo with a gun is more likely to accidentally shoot someone than save the day. 58 minutes ago, Prof said: I tend to agree! And my ward is full of yahoos! On any occasion when some deraanged killer goes off, I would hope there would be one or more yahoos present. I hate the idea of being a sitting duck or having any of my loved ones in that position. 2
Scott Lloyd Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Gray said: You just commandeered this thread about shooting victims to make it about your personal hobby horse/grudge. I didn’t commandeer anything. No one — not even you — was obliged to react to my passing comment. 2
LoudmouthMormon Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) Random yahoo ward members with a gun? I hesitate to be enthusiastic at the notion. Conceal carry permit holding yahoo ward members with a gun? I am supportive. They tend to have lower rates of criminal behavior or accidents than the general population. Depending on the study, they even commit crimes at lower rates than police officers. Edited October 30, 2018 by LoudmouthMormon 2
Scott Lloyd Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, LoudmouthMormon said: Random yahoo ward members with a gun? I hesitate to be enthusiastic at the notion. Conceal carry permit holding yahoo ward members with a gun? I am supportive. They tend to have lower rates of criminal behavior or accidents than the general population. Depending on the study, they even commit crimes at lower rates than police officers. Here in Utah, and probably elsewhere as well, one is required to undergo training prior to receiving a CCP.
LoudmouthMormon Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) To clarify, the prospect of some non-permitted yahoo showing up with a gun, who does not have a permit, yet he has a gun, and brings it concealed? I hesitate to be enthusiastic. CCP holding yahoos showing up with a gun? I am supportive. Because if you take a random yahoo, and you get them a CCP, their rates of crime and accidents go down when compared with the non-CCP holders in their same demographic. Scott mentions one obvious reason why. There are probably others, although harder to study. Edited October 30, 2018 by LoudmouthMormon
Gray Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 55 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: I didn’t commandeer anything. No one — not even you — was obliged to react to my passing comment. Anyone commandeering a sacrament meeting can make the same defense. But maybe a thread about victims of anti-Semitic violence should be about just that and not about your pet peeve lists.
The Nehor Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, LoudmouthMormon said: I'm interested - who is 'we'? My bishopric just read the security policy in ward council, and then some folks disparaged CCP holders, then they moved to the next topic. What did you folks do? Did the training involve the Run-Hide-Fight methodology? I'm a fan, in that it's much, much better than nothing. But it only works if, you know, the training actually makes it to the ward members. There was a meeting for all members of the Ward Council. They talked about how to react. When to run, how to hide, how to fight, how to chuck hymnbooks at them if you have nothing else, and an amusing and unrealistic description of yanking someones eyeball out. We have discussed active shooter instructions and other scenarios as a ward council. We had a discussion about concealed carry and our instructions were to discourage concealed carry in the church except for current or former law enforcement personnel. If anyone spots a firearm in church instructions are to tell the Bishop. 2
provoman Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Nehor said: There was a meeting for all members of the Ward Council. They talked about how to react. When to run, how to hide, how to fight, how to chuck hymnbooks at them if you have nothing else, and an amusing and unrealistic description of yanking someones eyeball out. We have discussed active shooter instructions and other scenarios as a ward council. We had a discussion about concealed carry and our instructions were to discourage concealed carry in the church except for current or former law enforcement personnel. If anyone spots a firearm in church instructions are to tell the Bishop. It is interesting that talk of ccw comes up for religious meeting house. As I understand it a Bishop and Stake President and Kirton McConkie are presently being sued for issueing effectively a "Do not enter Church property" letter against a person in NC. Mormonleaks published the depositions of two people invovled. The line questioning was about wrapons on Church property - which there is a prohibition by Church policy. 1
The Nehor Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, provoman said: It is interesting that talk of ccw comes up for religious meeting house. As I understand it a Bishop and Stake President and Kirton McConkie are presently being sued for issueing effectively a "Do not enter Church property" letter against a person in NC. Mormonleaks published the depositions of two people invovled. The line questioning was about wrapons on Church property - which there is a prohibition by Church policy. I should be clearer. Those law enforcement carriers were intended to only be those who offer or are asked to carry and are approved by Priesthood leaders. In our stake conferences for example we always have four people carrying sitting in specific locations for security. 1
Calm Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: I didn’t commandeer anything. No one — not even you — was obliged to react to my passing comment. No one is required to react to testimonies except the one conducting. People can ignore the comments by opening hymnbook s and reading the songs, for example. In order to skip/ignore your comment as off topic, had to read it first. Edited October 30, 2018 by Calm 1
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