LDS Social Services

[The Nehor]

51 minutes ago, katherine the great said:

I disagree. If someone considers their bishop's counsel worthless then why would they go to them in the first place?

To get rent assistance, food, and free therapy.

Okay, reading that back I am incredibly jaded. Is there some kind of pill you can take to revitalize your access to the pure love of Christ?

[ALarson]

22 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

It is a choice.  I don't think things are exactly as ALarson has described them.  I think there are options.

I can only go from my own experience, but I haven't known of any Bishop who agreed to them not filling out the form (agreeing to the release of their confidential information) if church funds are paying for it.  It is also listed on most of the lds family service counseling offices as well (that this form is necessary if the church is paying for the counseling).  I'm not saying that there might not have been a rare exception, but I'm not aware of this taking place and it is a mandatory form for those using church funds.

Here's an example:

https://pacific.lds.org/lds-family-services/aus/referrals

It states:

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 Where the church leader is paying all or part of the account, the client will need to sign an Authorization for Release of Confidential Information so that the church leader can confirm the payment arrangement and receive feedback on the progress of counseling. 

And another:

http://www.julierussellfamilycounseling.com/userfiles/2736716/file/Description+of+ServicesUpdated.pdf

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We can also bill your bishop if he has authorized payment from fast offerings. If you indicate that a bishop will be paying for any portion of your bill, an Authorization for Release of Confidential Information must be signed to allow contact with the bishop. If your bishop changes during the course of treatment, and you want the new bishop to continue payment for services, you must discuss this with the bishop, notify Julie Russell Family Counseling, and sign a new Authorization for Release of Confidential Information.

 

Edited October 15, 2018 by ALarson

[katherine the great]

4 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

To get rent assistance, food, and free therapy.

Okay, reading that back I am incredibly jaded. Is there some kind of pill you can take to revitalize your access to the pure love of Christ?

You're jaded and I'm naive. I admit I did not consider that. But I still don't think that's the case most of the time.

[katherine the great]

21 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

It is a choice.  I don't think things are exactly as ALarson has described them.  I think there are options.

That would be nice. Any support for that hypothesis? 

[ALarson]

6 minutes ago, katherine the great said:

That would be nice. Any support for that hypothesis? 

See my post above.  It's mandatory for most of the counselors (they require the form if the church is paying for it).

[Gray]

2 hours ago, ksfisher said:

We're not talking about physicians or plumbers.

 

We're talking about supposedly professional counseling.

[Gray]

2 hours ago, rongo said:

 

Now you're just using argentum ad absurdium (or whatever it is in Latin). 

Seriously. Why such absurd examples? That undercuts any point you are trying to make. 

The practices being employed are equally absurd. But I suppose this is in line with the LDS cultural fascination with pseudo-science and quackery.

Edited October 15, 2018 by Gray

[Gray]

31 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

To get rent assistance, food, and free therapy.

Okay, reading that back I am incredibly jaded. Is there some kind of pill you can take to revitalize your access to the pure love of Christ?

Essential oils will do the trick!

[Calm]

3 hours ago, Jeanne said:

I am not understanding your comment on grandchildren giving up on grandparents

In this particular case, her parents were never again a part of her life...but she had siblings that finally got to meet the niece that had looked for her.

Grandkids, once they reach an independent age, can refuse to have anything to do with grandparents almost as easily as the reverse.

[The Nehor]

21 minutes ago, Gray said:

Essential oils will do the trick!

Once for fun I looked at what was in those......and they want to put that on their skin? Like the pandas who have evolved themselves towards extinction some people just seem determined to kill themselves off. Sometimes I wonder if we should just let them. Same with the pandas.

Edited October 15, 2018 by The Nehor

[Bernard Gui]

Here is the official privacy policy page from LDS Social Services website....

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Notice of Privacy Practices

THIS NOTICE DESCRIBES HOW MEDICAL INFORMATION ABOUT YOU MAY BE USED AND DISCLOSED AND HOW YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO THIS INFORMATION.  PLEASE REVIEW IT CAREFULLY.

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Why We Are Providing You with This Notice

We are required by federal law to give you this Notice, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) and, where applicable, 42 C.F.R. Part 2, governing Confidentiality of Alcohol and Drug Abuse Patient Records. This Notice will tell you about the ways in which we may use and disclose health information about you and will describe your rights and our obligations regarding the use and disclosure of that information.

Your Health Information

This Notice applies to any identifying information and includes records we have about your health, health status, and the health care services you receive from LDS Family Services. This information and these records relate primarily to counseling services you have received from us.

How We May Use and Disclose Health Information about You

1. For Treatment
We may use or disclose health information about you to facilitate counseling and other health treatment. For example, your counselor might disclose information about you to another LDS Family Services counselor so that the counselor can determine the most appropriate care for you.

2. For Payment
We may use and disclose health information about you so that we can be paid by you, an insurance company, or another party, including current or future bishops if they are paying any portion of the fee for the services we provide to you. For example, we may need to give your insurance company information about our services to you so the company will pay us for these services. You have the right to request that your health information from treatment not be shared with your health plan when you pay out-of-pocket.

3. For Agency Operations
We may use and disclose health information about you in order to run our office and make sure that you and our other clients receive quality care. For example, we may use your health information to evaluate the performance of our staff or to contact you to remind you of your appointments.

Please notify us in writing if you do not want us to contact you to remind you of your appointments.

4. Special Situations
We will use or disclose your health information or other information you provide to us without your permission for several reasons. These reasons may include: • When we believe that disclosure is necessary to prevent injury, a serious threat to your health and safety or the health and safety of another person.

• When required by federal, state or local law.
• When required by law to report suspected abuse or neglect.
• In response to a court order, subpoena, warrant, summons, or similar process.
   

Confidentiality of Alcohol and Drug Abuse Records 42 C.F.R. Part 2

If you may receive services at LDS Family Services for drug and/or alcohol abuse, including diagnosis, treatment, or referral for treatment, this paragraph applies to you, and supersedes items 1 through 4 of the prior paragraph. Substance abuse records are entitled to heightened confidentiality protections under federal law. This means that we may communicate your health records and/or identifying information only within LDS Family Services, that is, between or among internal personnel that “need to know” to perform their duties in connection with your counseling here for alcohol or drug abuse. We may not disclose any information identifying you as receiving treatment for drug or alcohol abuse outside LDS Family Services (including any disclosures for purposes of treatment or payment) without your written consent, unless one or more of the following exceptions apply: (1) The disclosure is allowed by a court order; (2) The disclosure is to medical personnel in a medical emergency; (3) The disclosure concerns a crime that you committed or threatened to commit, either at LDS Family Services or against any LDS Family Services employee; (4) The disclosure concerns suspected child abuse or neglect reported to appropriate authorities; or (5) The disclosure is made to qualified personnel for purposes of research, audit, or program evaluation.

Other Uses and Disclosures of Health Information

Except where otherwise required or authorized by law, we will not use or disclose your health information for any purpose without your written authorization. Specifically, we will not use or disclose your health information from psychotherapy notes or disclose your health information in a manner that constitutes a sale without your written authorization. Although we do not participate in fundraising, HIPAA provides you with the option to opt out of any fundraising communications. If you authorize us to use or disclose health information about you, you may revoke your authorization, in writing, at any time. If you revoke your authorization, we will no longer use or disclose your health information for the reasons covered by your written authorization, but we cannot take back any uses or disclosures we have already made with your permission. We have a duty to inform you if your health information is used or disclosed in a way contrary to law.

Email Communications

If you and your counselor communicate by email, there is a risk that those emails could be intercepted or read by a third party. LDS Family Services uses a secure email server and has taken measures to minimize this risk, but LDS Family Services cannot ensure the security of your personal email provider. By providing your email address, you acknowledge that you accept any associated risk. If you prefer not to receive email communication, please notify your counselor.

Your Rights Regarding Your Health Information

You have the following rights with regard to your health information:

• You may inspect and copy your health information, with certain exceptions.
• If you believe that the health information we have about you is incorrect or incomplete, you may ask us to amend the information.
• You may obtain an accounting of our disclosures of your health information. This is a list of all of our disclosures of your health information for purposes other than treatment, payment, and health care operations.
• You have the right to request that we restrict or limit our use or disclosure of your health information to only treatment, payment, or health care operations. With the exception of alcohol and drug abuse records, we are not required to comply with your request.
• You may request that we communicate with you about your health matters in a certain way or at a certain location. For example, you can ask that we only contact you at work or by mail.
• You have the right to receive a paper copy of this notice. If you want to exercise any of these rights, please contact the supervisor, in writing, at the office where you are receiving counseling.

If you want to exercise any of these rights, please contact the supervisor, in writing, at the office where you are receiving counseling.

Changes to This Notice

With the exception of the notice regarding alcohol and drug abuse records, we have the right to change this notice. If we do so, the new notice will apply to the health information we may already have about you and to the health information that we receive in the future. We are required to abide by the most current notice that is in effect. We will post a summary of the most current notice in our office. You are entitled to receive a copy of the most current notice.

Complaints

If you believe your privacy rights have been violated, you may file a complaint with our office, with the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, or with the United States Attorney for the judicial district in which the violation occurred. To file a complaint with LDS Family Services, please contact your local LDS Family Services office. (You will not be penalized for filing a complaint.)

This Notice is effective as of September 17, 2013.

 

[Gray]

13 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Once for fun I looked at what was in those......and they want to put that on their skin? Like the pandas who have evolved themselves towards extinction some people just seemed determined to kill themselves off. Sometimes I wonder if we should just let them. Same with the pandas.

We were given some mint-scented essential oils, really strong smelling. We ended up putting it in a spray bottle with a few other things, and it's great for cleaning up pet odors. As placebo cures go, though, there are less extreme measures to take.

Edited October 15, 2018 by Gray

[katherine the great]

31 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Once for fun I looked at what was in those......and they want to put that on their skin? Like the pandas who have evolved themselves towards extinction some people just seemed determined to kill themselves off. Sometimes I wonder if we should just let them. Same with the pandas.

Pandas are very derived and will likely go extinct. Humans are very generalized and flexible so we will likely be around for awhile (at least as a species) 😀

[rongo]

2 minutes ago, katherine the great said:

Pandas are very derived and will likely go extinct. Humans are very generalized and flexible so we will likely be around for awhile (at least as a species) 😀

Why do they have such a hard time reproducing? Do you know?

[JulieM]

1 hour ago, ALarson said:

See my post above.  It's mandatory for most of the counselors (they require the form if the church is paying for it).

This is what my friend was told too.

She was pretty upset when confidential details were shared from her counseling appointments.  She talked to the counselor who told her she’d signed that these could be shared with the Bishop and he was in regular contact with her about their appointments.  My friend told her she wanted to tear that form up or submit one stating details could no longer be shared, and the therapist said “ok, but then you will have to start paying for your sessions.”  The therapist told her as long as the church was paying, she was required to have that form on file from her.

Edited October 15, 2018 by JulieM

[JulieM]

Dup

Edited October 15, 2018 by JulieM

[The Nehor]

37 minutes ago, Gray said:

We were given some mint-scented essential oils, really strong smelling. We ended up putting it in a spray bottle with a few other things, and it's great for cleaning up pet odors. As placebo cures go, though, there are less extreme measures to take.

If only the homeopathic people would go all the way with it to its logical conclusion.

 

[katherine the great]

1 hour ago, rongo said:

Why do they have such a hard time reproducing? Do you know?

Probably because the female only goes into estrus once a year and invests all her energy into one offspring for a long time. Also, female Pandas are extremely picky about who they mate with so mating in captivity is difficult. They aren't primates so it really isn't my area of expertise but they are among the most K-selected of species which can be beneficial in some environments but very costly in others. Along with their inability and unwillingness to eat anything but bamboo, their low birth rate will lead to their extinction without human intervention (and maybe with). They are just the exact type of species that can't adapt to extreme changes in their environments. Sad because they're so cute and awesome. 

[rongo]

13 minutes ago, katherine the great said:

Probably because the female only goes into estrus once a year and invests all her energy into one offspring for a long time. Also, female Pandas are extremely picky about who they mate with so mating in captivity is difficult. They aren't primates so it really isn't my area of expertise but they are among the most K-selected of species which can be beneficial in some environments but very costly in others. Along with their inability and unwillingness to eat anything but bamboo, their low birth rate will lead to their extinction without human intervention (and maybe with). They are just the exact type of species that can't adapt to extreme changes in their environments. Sad because they're so cute and awesome. 

Did you ever hear about the prolific old lion? In a major zoo in a big city, several female lions kept mauling any young males they put in with them to hopefully breed with them. As a joke, they put an ancient, emaciated, toothless lion in with them. All of the females became pregnant, and they waited on him hand and foot --- even chewing his meat for him so he could eat it. 

I can't find it by searching. I'll see if I'll remember to look it up tonight. 

[katherine the great]

7 minutes ago, rongo said:

As a joke, they put an ancient, emaciated, toothless lion in with them. All of the females became pregnant, and they waited on him hand and foot --- even chewing his meat for him so he could eat it. 

The mysterious female. There’s no accounting for taste! 😂

[Tacenda]

3 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Once for fun I looked at what was in those......and they want to put that on their skin? Like the pandas who have evolved themselves towards extinction some people just seem determined to kill themselves off. Sometimes I wonder if we should just let them. Same with the pandas.

To the bold, curious what you found. My MIL has used these for so many years I can't count. My husband hates the smell on her, and her house, and my SIL won't get in a car with her, which is pretty lame. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by Tacenda

[The Nehor]

18 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

To the bold, curious what you found. My MIL has used these for so many years I can't count. My husband hates the smell on her, and her house, and my SIL won't get in a car with her, which is pretty lame. 

Some of them are actually toxic, even just on skin. It usually takes a lot of use before any damage can be done to an adult. The worst cases are parents who put the stuff on their kids.

Edited October 15, 2018 by The Nehor

[rongo]

16 hours ago, katherine the great said:

The mysterious female. There’s no accounting for taste! 😂

Looked it up . . . 

His name was Frasier. He was given to a SoCal animal preserve when a Mexican zoo went bankrupt, and they put him in with the six females as a joke. They had spurned all of the young lions and even mauled one. Frasier's tongue permanently lolled out of his mouth (which became an iconic image on T-shirts), and he had no teeth. Surprisingly, the females took to him, pampered him, chewed meat for him, and within 16 months, he fathered 33 lion cubs with them before dying. 

http://time.com/3990606/frasier-the-lion/

[pogi]

37 minutes ago, rongo said:

Looked it up . . . 

His name was Frasier. He was given to a SoCal animal preserve when a Mexican zoo went bankrupt, and they put him in with the six females as a joke. They had spurned all of the young lions and even mauled one. Frasier's tongue permanently lolled out of his mouth (which became an iconic image on T-shirts), and he had no teeth. Surprisingly, the females took to him, pampered him, chewed meat for him, and within 16 months, he fathered 33 lion cubs with them before dying. 

http://time.com/3990606/frasier-the-lion/

Sounds like you are describing my g-g-g-grandpa!

[The Nehor]

19 hours ago, katherine the great said:

Pandas are very derived and will likely go extinct. Humans are very generalized and flexible so we will likely be around for awhile (at least as a species) 😀

The jury is still out on the survival value of sentience.