theplains Posted August 29, 2018 Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/28/2018 at 4:10 PM, mfbukowski said: That says nothing about others having authority to minister to people. In the royal priesthood of believers, both male and female priests have authority to minister to people. Can we agree? Jim
RevTestament Posted August 29, 2018 Posted August 29, 2018 1 hour ago, theplains said: Apart from the one appearance of Melchizedek to Abraham and being called the priest of the Most High God, do you believe he served as a High Priest to the Israelites in the Old Testament or to Christians in the New Testament? Jim Well Melchizedek is really just a title. There were no Israelites in his day, so he did not directly serve them, but he apparently served God in the area of what became Jerusalem, so I suppose he indirectly served the Israelites. Did Adam serve us? I believe he did, and I believe he is still doing so, as is Melchizedek in his capacity as an High Priest - according to Hebrews. The offices of the Priesthood are eternal in time...
mfbukowski Posted August 29, 2018 Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, theplains said: In the royal priesthood of believers, both male and female priests have authority to minister to people. Can we agree? Jim Yes, our Relief Society ministers to people equally with the brethren. https://www.lds.org/languages/eng/content/general-conference/2018/04/ministering-as-the-savior-does And the scripture speaks of a "Royal Generation" which includes women. And women perform priesthood ordinances in the temple and participate in the Priesthood since 1 Cor 11 Quote 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. This is precisely why we are sealed for time and eternity, and must be so in order to reach the highest Kingdom. We are not single in the Priesthood. Perhaps you do not understand this part of our doctrine. One can only be exalted as a couple. https://www.lds.org/church/news/this-is-a-womans-church-says-fairconference-speaker?lang=eng Edited August 29, 2018 by mfbukowski
theplains Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 6:54 PM, RevTestament said: Well Melchizedek is really just a title. What do you mean by "just a title?" Wasn't that his actual name?
Jeanne Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 I just have to say that I can't change myself. I can try...but I will slip up. So hope all of you will let me still participate whether I say Mormon...LDS...in the course of communications. Some say that this is for outside and/or journalistic purposes..but if not...I will just flunk this test.😋
RevTestament Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, theplains said: What do you mean by "just a title?" Wasn't that his actual name? No. It is one of the faults of the KJV. Melek is Hebrew for king. The word melchizedek is a conjoined version of King of righteousness/peace. We do not know his given name. He was not born as Melchizedek. Edited September 2, 2018 by RevTestament
MiserereNobis Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 On 8/28/2018 at 4:58 PM, JAHS said: What will they call the Blue Mormon butterfly now? And what about Mormon Tea? 1
MiserereNobis Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 On 8/28/2018 at 5:48 PM, Navidad said: I am intrigued by the continual use of the word "outsider" in many posts in this forum. I would think the o,u,t,s,i,d,e, and r keys must be well worn on your respective keyboards. Calling folks such monikers is a time-honored way of creating an in-group and an out-group. Outsiders' opinions are of no validity, outsiders are to be marginalized, outsiders have no thoughts that matter. After all they are not members of the in-group, those who have it right. This trend is a part of LDS-exceptionalism. I think it is the great blind spot of the Saints - oh wait a minute, I am an "outsider." What I think doesn't matter! Isn't there a better term to come up for those who have a deep and abiding interest and respect for the LDS faith, but who are not members? I see what you are saying but I'm fine with the term. Like you, I have a deep and abiding interest and respect for the LDS faith (I think I've been on this board 6 or 7 years now) but I refer to myself as an outsider because I am. I like to give "outside" perspectives, so to speak. It's better than being called an anti, ha 3
Scott Lloyd Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: I see what you are saying but I'm fine with the term. Like you, I have a deep and abiding interest and respect for the LDS faith (I think I've been on this board 6 or 7 years now) but I refer to myself as an outsider because I am. I like to give "outside" perspectives, so to speak. It's better than being called an anti, ha I agree with you. If I am outside of something, I don’t mind in the least being referred to as an outsider as pertaining to that thing. It is not inherently pejorative. And an outsider is only anti to something if he aggressively opposes that thing. Merely disbelieving or disagreeing does not make one anti. Edited September 1, 2018 by Scott Lloyd 2
california boy Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 Then there is the Mormon Cricket. If you have ever seen a migration of these critters, it is not one you will soon forget. There are just masses of them when there is an outbreak.
RevTestament Posted September 2, 2018 Posted September 2, 2018 16 hours ago, california boy said: Then there is the Mormon Cricket. If you have ever seen a migration of these critters, it is not one you will soon forget. There are just masses of them when there is an outbreak. I was once called by a person in Mona who wanted her grasshoppers sprayed. When I arrived, I was utterly dismayed. There was a breeze, and it looked like fall had arrived with hundreds of "leaves" falling from the trees. Of course on closer inspection they weren't leaves. They covered the whole property in a dense blanket. When I left, they were all dead. I murdered thousands of those Mormons.... Looking back, I wish I had taken a picture of it. 2
california boy Posted September 2, 2018 Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, RevTestament said: I was once called by a person in Mona who wanted her grasshoppers sprayed. When I arrived, I was utterly dismayed. There was a breeze, and it looked like fall had arrived with hundreds of "leaves" falling from the trees. Of course on closer inspection they weren't leaves. They covered the whole property in a dense blanket. When I left, they were all dead. I murdered thousands of those Mormons.... Looking back, I wish I had taken a picture of it. I have run across them a couple of times on rafting trips. They don’t fly. Mostly they just walk in a straight line no matter what is in the way and devour whatever they come across. They literally blanket the ground. Their population does cycle so infestations don’t happen every year. It is pretty amazing isn’t it
theplains Posted September 3, 2018 Posted September 3, 2018 On 9/1/2018 at 3:10 PM, RevTestament said: No. It is one of the faults of the KJV. Melek is Hebrew for king. The word melchizedek is a conjoined version of King of righteousness/peace. We do not know his given name. He was not born as Melchizedek. Why would this fault (as you say) be copied into the Book of Mormon instead of using his proper name? Jim
RevTestament Posted September 3, 2018 Posted September 3, 2018 3 hours ago, theplains said: Why would this fault (as you say) be copied into the Book of Mormon instead of using his proper name? Jim As Calm indicates, this was the title by which he had become known in the English language used for translation. Maybe "fault" is not the best word for it. Melchizedek seems to be an agglutination of King/Melek and Righteousness/Peace. In other words in the Hebrew this title was used as a name - probably because they didn't have his name. There are a number of modern Bibles, however, which now break this out into its individual components as the King of Righteousness or similar. I believe something similar happened with the title El Shaddai. When the title was translated into Hebrew it became agglutinated. However, I believe it is a very old title which predates Hebrew.
Navidad Posted September 3, 2018 Posted September 3, 2018 17 minutes ago, RevTestament said: As Calm indicates, this was the title by which he had become known in the English language used for translation. Maybe "fault" is not the best word for it. Melchizedek seems to be an agglutination of King/Melek and Righteousness/Peace. In other words in the Hebrew this title was used as a name - probably because they didn't have his name. There are a number of modern Bibles, however, which now break this out into its individual components as the King of Righteousness or similar. I believe something similar happened with the title El Shaddai. When the title was translated into Hebrew it became agglutinated. However, I believe it is a very old title which predates Hebrew. There were a number of men in the Old Testament with the Hebriew "melech" or its root in their names. The son of Micah was Melech. There were probably five of six different Abimelechs mentioned in the Old Testament. There was also at least one Ahimelech. There is no reason to think that Melchizedek was not a person's name. We simply don't know.
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