Denson's Lawsuit Dismissed by Federal Judge

[provoman]

Just an update. Ron Leavitt is set to be deposed. Motions to quash the deposition have been filed as Ron Leavitt suffers from dimentia.

J Bishop is set to be deposed on Nov 9.

 

edit to remove reason for retirement from BYU. The retirement is mentioned in documents filed with the Court to quash the deposition of Ron Leavitt.

Edited October 26, 2018 by provoman

[ksfisher]

20 minutes ago, provoman said:

Just an update. Ron Leavitt is set to be deposed. Motions to quash the deposition have been filed as Ron Leavitt suffers from dimentia, which dimentia lead to his retirement from BYU.

J Bishop is set to be deposed on Nov 9.

Would his dementia then not call into question his earlier recollections about his interactions with Ms Denson?  Or did the dementia surface after those statements were made?

[provoman]

1 hour ago, ksfisher said:

Would his dementia then not call into question his earlier recollections about his interactions with Ms Denson?  Or did the dementia surface after those statements were made?

The dimentia is not related to the 1987 conversation. His dimentia could call into question his statements made this year to the media.

 

A Dr has submitted the followong:

"In my opinion he [Leavitt] is not competent to give testimony.

Based on his [Leavitt's] memory impairment, Mr. Leavitt is not likely unable [sic] to give an oath to testify truthfully, as he is very suggestable in his recollection. In other words, he would likely agree to facts despite having no memory of what actually occurred."

Edited October 26, 2018 by provoman

[bluebell]

4 minutes ago, provoman said:

The dimentia is not related to the 1987 conversation. His dimentia could call into question his statements made this year to the media.

I'm wondering about his conversation with Denson late last year....

[provoman]

3 minutes ago, bluebell said:

I'm wondering about his conversation with Denson late last year....

I did not know about that one. But this is about Ron Leavitt.

[ksfisher]

9 minutes ago, provoman said:

His dimentia could call into question his statements made this year to the media

That's what I was meaning.  Did he have dementia at that point so does that call into question his comments to the media.

[provoman]

14 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

That's what I was meaning.  Did he have dementia at that point so does that call into question his comments to the media.

Ah got it. It appears the diagnosis is from 2016.

 

[smac97]

2 hours ago, provoman said:

Just an update. Ron Leavitt is set to be deposed. Motions to quash the deposition have been filed as Ron Leavitt suffers from dimentia, which dimentia lead to his retirement from BYU.

J Bishop is set to be deposed on Nov 9.

From the motion to quash (cancel) the deposition of Mr. Leavitt:

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In 2016, Mr. Leavitt was diagnosed with dementia. See Huddleston Declaration, Exhibit B hereto. In the opinion of Mr. Leavitt's treating physician, Mr. Leavitt is not competent to testify due to moderate to severe memory impairment. See id. Mr. Leavitt's daughter, who also provides generalized care for Mr. Leavitt observes that Mr. Leavitt's memory does not align with history and confuses truth and fiction. See Rodriguez Declaration, Exhibit C hereto. Moreover, based on my interaction with Mr. Leavitt, although he is conversant, during a ten minute conversation he repeated the same story three separate times without recognizing or acknowledging his repetition. Each time he raised it as if it were new information.

Due to his memory impairment, Mr. Leavitt is not in a position to testify from personal knowledge. He is also likely unable to give an oath to testify truthfully, as his memory is likely incapable of distinguishing between truth and fiction. See Exhibit B and C hereto. Further, any testimony he gives is likely to prejudice the actual truth, create confusion regarding the actual facts and issues, mislead the jury, or at the very least, amount to a waste of time. 

The declaration referenced here is from Jason Huddleston, DO.  In it Dr. Huddleston states that in July 2016 he (Dr. Huddleston) administered tests on Mr. Leavitt, including "a Montreal Cognitive Assessment" and rendered a diagnosis of "mild to moderate" dementia.  He also states that this diagnosis "still stands," that Mr. Leavitt's condition "is progressive and will not improve," and that Dr. Huddleston's opinion is that Leavitt "is not competent to give testimony" because "he is very suggestible in his recollection" and "would likely agree to facts despite having no memory of what actually occurred."

The other affidavit, from Leavitt's daughter, states that Leavitt was a professor of molecular biology at BYU from 1977 "until his disability-caused retirement in 2009."  She also states that he had a slip-and-fall in 2002 that caused "significant head trauma" requiring medical care ever since, and that this fall required him to take a medical disability status in 2002, which lasted until his retirement in 2009.  She also states that Dr. Huddleston's diagnosis was "moderate to severe dementia" in August 2016 (though, as noted above, Dr. Huddleston references a "mild to moderate" diagnosis in his declaration).  She also states that Leavitt has been hospitalized twice in the last year because of overdoses of medications "as he was unable to remember that he had already taken the medication."  She says the first overdose nearly killed him.  She said that they have since utilized a "locked machine" that doles out medication on a specific schedule, but that Leavitt still sometimes calls her to say he has not taken his medication (the locked machine sends her texts indicating when he has).  She says Leavitt "struggles to remember that he cannot remember things," including that he has been diagnosed with dementia.  She states that she is "closely involved" in his care since her mother's passing in 2016, and that she has "personally witnessed that there are things he remembers incorrectly or simply cannot remember at all," and that "his memory does not align with his history, and that he has confused the truth on multiple occasions."

A few thoughts:

1. Much of our discussion about "the facts" of this case has included evaluation of Ron Leavitt's statements to the news media (to KUTV, I believe).  Based on these declarations, it appears that his recollections about his interactions/discussions with Ms. Denson are not reliable as evidence.

2. Ron Leavitt previously denied setting up a meeting between McKenna Denson and Elder Asay.  As Mr. Leavitt is apparently not competent to testify, and as Elder Asay is dead, and as the Church has indicated that it has no record of any meeting between Ms. Denson and Elder Asay, I think we are left with only one possible means of corroboration: Ms. Leavitt's ex-husband.  In her podcast interview, she said that she told her then-fiancé about Bishop's purported sexual assault, and that he told her to forget about it and move on with her life, but that she refused and reported it to her bishop (Leavitt) anyway.  So she's clearly claiming that her fiancé was aware of her claims against Bishop in 1987.  She also said her fiancé drove her to the appointment, which was at a church building somewhere in Orem about a week after she disclosed to Ron Leavitt, that her fiancé went in with her, shook Elder Asay's hand, and then waited in the hallway during her interview with Elder Asay.

So is the ex-husband the only potential source of corroboration (as to the meeting with Elder Asay)?  It seems so.  As I understand it, the fiancé went on to marry, and then divorce, Ms. Denson, and he has expressed substantial skepticism about her allegations of rape.  See here:

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In separate interviews with The Republic, the woman's former husband and another family member also questioned her motives and credibility.

On at least two additional occasions, they said, the woman reported being raped — once while on her Mormon mission in Washington, D.C.

The ex-husband, who is not named in this report so as not to reveal the woman's identity, said, "This is an insult, especially, to women who have gone through something like that and really have been hurt."

It will be interesting to see A) if the ex-husband is deposed, and B) if he did, in fact, accompany her to a meeting with Elder Asay.  But even if he did, Ms. Denson is still left with some serious issues as to what she actually told Elder Asay.  Ms. Denson's "Rough Draft" letter states:

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I reported the incidents of President Bishop to my Bishop in about 1988. His name was Ron Leavitt. He reported to the Stake President’ who called and reported to church headquarters in Salt Lake.

Elder Carlos Asay visited me in Provo or Orem and interviewed me. I reported everything except the rape. I didn’t think of it as rape as he didn’t have a full erection.

Elder Asay said he would investigate the incident and let me know the outcome.

"I reported everything except the rape."  The one thing she was suing Bishop about she says she didn't report to Elder Asay.

And from her statements in the podcast:

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Denson: You know, I don't really remember a whole lot about it, but I do remember explaining to Elder Asay the grooming process.  How there were four sister missionaries, including myself, and then there were two, including myself, and then it became one-on-one.  And I remember sharing the inappropriate sexual stories that Elder, excuse me, President Bishop shared with me about his wife, and about the hot tub or hot springs.  I don't remember a whole lot more.  I just remember telling him what happened.

Interviewer: What was Elder Asay's reaction?

Denson: He was rather stoic.  He didn't seem to have a lot of emotion.  He seemed very rigid, like he was just taking the information in.  But it didn't move him at all.  

According the McKenna Denson, she told Elder Asay about Bishop's "grooming" behavior, but apparently not that there had been a rape or attempted rape.

So in the end, perhaps the fiancé/husband/ex-husband doesn't have much useful to say after all.

3. This development exemplifies the importance of statutes of limitations. Big time.

4. I wonder if Ms. Denson's attorneys will seek to depose Elder Wells.  That would seem to be the only feasible source of evidence for Ms. Denson's fraudulent concealment claim against the Church (that it knew Bishop was a "sexual predator" and yet nevertheless appointed him as president of the MTC).  But that deposition will run into some serious challenges based on the priest/penitent privilege.

5. Ms. Denson's legal claims continue to be weak from an evidentiary point of view.

6. My sympathies go out to Ron Leavitt and his family.  Dementia is a difficult thing.

Thanks,

-Smac

Edited October 26, 2018 by smac97

[provoman]

15 minutes ago, smac97 said:

From the motion to quash (cancel) the deposition of Mr. Leavitt:

The declaration referenced here is from Jason Huddleston, DO.  In it Dr. Huddleston states that in July 2016 he (Dr. Huddleston) administered tests on Mr. Leavitt, including "a Montreal Cognitive Assessment" and rendered a diagnosis of "mild to moderate" dementia.  He also states that this diagnosis "still stands," that Mr. Leavitt's condition "is progressive and will not improve," and that Dr. Huddleston's opinion is that Leavitt "is not competent to give testimony" because "he is very suggestible in his recollection" and "would likely agree to facts despite having no memory of what actually occurred."

The other affidavit, from Leavitt's daughter, states that Leavitt was a professor of molecular biology at BYU from 1977 "until his disability-caused retirement in 2009."  She also states that he had a slip-and-fall in 2002 that caused "significant head trauma" requiring medical care ever since, and that this fall required him to take a medical disability status in 2002, which lasted until his retirement in 2009.  She also states that Dr. Huddleston's diagnosis was "moderate to severe dementia" in August 2016 (though, as noted above, Dr. Huddleston references a "mild to moderate" diagnosis in his declaration).  She also states that Leavitt has been hospitalized twice in the last year because of overdoses of medications "as he was unable to remember that he had already taken the medication."  She says the first overdose nearly killed him.  She said that they have since utilized a "locked machine" that doles out medication on a specific schedule, but that Leavitt still sometimes calls her to say he has not taken his medication (the locked machine sends her texts indicating when he has).  She says Leavitt "struggles to remember that he cannot remember things," including that he has been diagnosed with dementia.  She states that she is "closely involved" in his care since her mother's passing in 2016, and that she has "personally witnessed that there are things he remembers incorrectly or simply cannot remember at all," and that "his memory does not align with his history, and that he has confused the truth on multiple occasions."

A few thoughts:

1. Much of our discussion about "the facts" of this case has included evaluation of Ron Leavitt's statements to the news media (to KUTV, I believe).  Based on these declarations, it appears that his recollections about his interactions/discussions with Ms. Denson are not reliable as evidence.

2. Ron Leavitt previously denied setting up a meeting between McKenna Denson and Elder Asay.  As Mr. Leavitt is apparently not competent to testify, and as Elder Asay is dead, and as the Church has indicated that it has no record of any meeting between Ms. Denson and Elder Asay, I think we are left with only one possible means of corroboration: Ms. Leavitt's ex-husband.  In her podcast interview, she said that she told her then-fiancé about Bishop's purported sexual assault, and that he told her to forget about it and move on with her life, but that she refused and reported it to her bishop (Leavitt) anyway.  So she's clearly claiming that her fiancé was aware of her claims against Bishop in 1987.  She also said her fiancé drove her to the appointment, which was at a church building somewhere in Orem about a week after she disclosed to Ron Leavitt, that her fiancé went in with her, shook Elder Asay's hand, and then waited in the hallway during her interview with Elder Asay.

So is the ex-husband the only potential source of corroboration (as to the meeting with Elder Asay)?  It seems so.  As I understand it, the fiancé went on to marry, and then divorce, Ms. Denson, and he has expressed substantial skepticism about her allegations of rape.  See here:

It will be interesting to see A) if the ex-husband is deposed, and B) if he did, in fact, accompany her to a meeting with Elder Asay.  But even if he did, Ms. Denson is still left with some serious issues as to what she actually told Elder Asay.  Ms. Denson's "Rough Draft" letter states:

"I reported everything except the rape."  The one thing she was suing Bishop about she says she didn't report to Elder Asay.

And from her statements in the podcast:

According the McKenna Denson, she told Elder Asay about Bishop's "grooming" behavior, but apparently not that there had been a rape or attempted rape.

So in the end, perhaps the fiancé/husband/ex-husband doesn't have much useful to say after all.

3. This development exemplifies the importance of statutes of limitations. Big time.

4. I wonder if Ms. Denson's attorneys will seek to depose Elder Wells.  That would seem to be the only feasible source of evidence for Ms. Denson's conspiracy claim against the Church (that it knew Bishop was a "sexual predator" and yet nevertheless appointed him as president of the MTC).  But that deposition will run into some serious challenges based on the priest/penitent privilege.

5. Ms. Denson's legal claims continue to be weak from an evidentiary point of view.

6. My sympathies go out to Ron Leavitt and his family.  Dementia is a difficult thing.

Thanks,

-Smac

Proceedurally, could Leavitt have anything relevant to offer regarding the claim that the Church was aware of Bishop's behaviour prior to Bishop being the President of the Missionary Training Center or prior to the claimed assault on Denson?

I do not understand what Leavitt could possibly offer about the Church having prior knowledge - prior knowledge is the basis of Denson's claim. Is a party required to show potential relevance for a deposition? 

[juliann]

This is on her public FB page:

McKenna Denson

 

Yesterday at 10:28 AM · 

 

Deposition of Joseph Bishop is November 9th. Would like more details on the following.

Joseph Bishop drugged and (?) two victims we’re aware of on church property. I’ve been informed of two more. Please reach out on PM and we will arrange a safe venue to speak.

I’ve been told of three extra marital affairs Joseph Bishop has had. I would like to speak with these women instead of deposing them. Please have them reach out to me via PM as well.

I’ve been informed that Joseph Bishop ‘volunteered’ at the Dove Center in St. George, Utah ... a safe place for victims of domestic violence and sexual assault. I’d like to speak again with anyone who knows about this.

Also the sister missionary whom Joseph Bishop assaulted in his church owned home while serving as MTC President. I’d like to speak with her in lieu of deposition.

[smac97]

21 minutes ago, provoman said:

Proceedurally, could Leavitt have anything relevant to offer regarding the claim that the Church was aware of Bishop's behaviour prior to Bishop being the President of the Missionary Training Center or prior to the claimed assault on Denson?

Probably not.  Ms. Denson's only surviving claim is for "fraudulent concealment" of what the Church purportedly knew about Bishop before he was called as president of the MTC.  

21 minutes ago, provoman said:

I do not understand what Leavitt could possibly offer about the Church having prior knowledge - prior knowledge is the basis of Denson's claim. Is a party required to show potential relevance for a deposition? 

Not really.  I think they only need to show that Leavitt may have relevant information or information that could leader to relevant information.

Thanks,

-Smac

[smac97]

9 minutes ago, juliann said:

This is on her public FB page:

McKenna Denson

 

Yesterday at 10:28 AM · 

 

Deposition of Joseph Bishop is November 9th. Would like more details on the following.

Joseph Bishop drugged and (?) two victims we’re aware of on church property. I’ve been informed of two more. Please reach out on PM and we will arrange a safe venue to speak.

I’ve been told of three extra marital affairs Joseph Bishop has had. I would like to speak with these women instead of deposing them. Please have them reach out to me via PM as well.

I’ve been informed that Joseph Bishop ‘volunteered’ at the Dove Center in St. George, Utah ... a safe place for victims of domestic violence and sexual assault. I’d like to speak again with anyone who knows about this.

Also the sister missionary whom Joseph Bishop assaulted in his church owned home while serving as MTC President. I’d like to speak with her in lieu of deposition.

What a weird way to handle a lawsuit.  I wonder if Mr. Vernon is aware of these requests.

Thanks

-Smac

[Tacenda]

7 hours ago, provoman said:

Just an update. Ron Leavitt is set to be deposed. Motions to quash the deposition have been filed as Ron Leavitt suffers from dimentia.

J Bishop is set to be deposed on Nov 9.

 

edit to remove reason for retirement from BYU. The retirement is mentioned in documents filed with the Court to quash the deposition of Ron Leavitt.

My first thought was that this is not on the up and up, and then I read further on the thread. So I'll let that go. But what about the deposition on Elder Robert E. Wells?

Edited October 26, 2018 by Tacenda

[smac97]

6 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

My first thought was that this is not on the up and up, and then I read further on the thread. So I'll let that go.

What is it that you feel is "not on the up and up?"

6 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

But what about the deposition on Elder Robert E. Wells?

Nothing scheduled yet.

Thanks,

-Smac

 

[Jeanne]

I can only hope that God will make things right.  I am interested in how Juliann feels about all of this as I admire her fairness and stance when it comes to women and religious beliefs.  Forgive me if I have missed her pov before as this thread has been brought to life.  For all the misgivings of Mckenna Denson....the evidence against Bishop is overwhelming...whether it is too late or not legally doesn't change a thing.  And that is sad too.

[Calm]

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the evidence against Bishop is overwhelming

In terms of what?  There are multiple accusations, some have some substantiation, others have nothing.

Leavitt's comments were big in establishing a long time claim against Bishop (since nothing was said about Bishop according to Denson for the documented meetings with the therapist, mission pres, and Elder Monson).  Given he has dementia (and it sounds like it is worse than my mother's so I am judging him by how much I trust her memory now), I am now skeptical of his news interview comments completely.  I can both see him creating details that she even came to him based on his likely assumption no one would be asking him about it if something hadn't happened and therefore he had to come up with some detail in order to cover up his assumed memory gap and also the opposite effect of being more dismissive now than he was originally because my mom has developed a very uncharacteristic prejudice about the Church, she suspects anyone who hasn't been to the temple (save for one person and family, all her best friends over the years were nonmembers and the idea of criticizing someone based on church membership or activity never even occurred to her as far as I can tell until the last few years), so I can see him being suspicious of anyone or anything that appears to him to criticize the Church and therefore not sharing info thinking he was protecting people (my mother tells others not to tell me she hates something because she thinks it will hurt my feelings or cause conflict or me scolding her or something, does the same thing when she disagrees with other relatives and tells me not to tell them).

Edited October 26, 2018 by Calm

[smac97]

24 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

For all the misgivings of Mckenna Denson....the evidence against Bishop is overwhelming...

Actually, the evidence against Bishop is extremely poor.  We know very little about what he purportedly did.  It may have been showing her porn, or it may have been forcible rape.  Or maybe nothing at all.

Thanks,

-Smac

[Guest]

On August 13, 2018 at 1:32 PM, clarkgoble said:

I assume the stories will come out soon, but Deseret News is reporting that Denson's lawsuit against Bishop has been dismissed.

Well, she need not worry that he well escape justice. Jesus Christ warned that for those who (too paraphrase) "harm a little child, it would better, had they never been born". I think that missionaries in the MTC, fit that description as far as God is cornered, and then some when to take in to account the "violation of trust", which is the "type of harm", speaks of, IMHO. 

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, smac97 said:

What is it that you feel is "not on the up and up?"

Nothing scheduled yet.

Thanks,

-Smac

 

My first thought was they were using dementia as an excuse for him not to testify. My bad, I know. And I feel very sad for he and his family if true.

BTW, Here is part 3 of the interview with McKenna if you're interested. 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2018 by Tacenda

[provoman]

3 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

My first thought was they were using dementia as an excuse for him not to testify. My bad, I know. And I feel very sad for he and his family if true.

BTW, Here is part 3 of the interview with McKenna if you're interested. 

 

It is going to get confusing as more people are involved and deposed, and I fully expect that.

So yes, Ron Leavitt - who Denson told about some of what happened to her in the MTC - has Dimentia and yes, his daughter and Doctor have filed statements about his dimetia.

Here is my input. 

In terms of the Denson proving that the Church knew in 1977/1978 that Bishop exhibited sexually abusive/predatory behavior....I does not seem plausible that Ron Leavitt, who became a Professor at BYU in 1977 knew anything.  The same goes for using Leavitt to prove the Church knew prior to him being President of the MTC.

I just can't see the value in expending money to depose Ron Leavitt.

 

 

[Jeanne]

1 hour ago, smac97 said:

Actually, the evidence against Bishop is extremely poor.  We know very little about what he purportedly did.  It may have been showing her porn, or it may have been forcible rape.  Or maybe nothing at all.

Thanks,

-Smac

I  call Bull...the evidence has just been whittled down and washed anew with all kinds of wonderful explanations to fit. It always helps too that the law gives you time limits.

Edited October 27, 2018 by Jeanne

[provoman]

30 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

I  call Bull...the evidence has just been whittled down and washed anew with all kinds of wonderful explanations to fit. It always helps too that the law gives you time limits.

ok a thought experiment.

What did Bishop tell elder Wells? Keep in mind that Bishop told Denson that he - Bishop - never sought help. Never sought treatment. Instead he told Denson that he  self-treated/self-medicated by serving as much as possible.
 

Given that Bishop admits he never sought help, what indicates that he confessed to Elder Wells that sexual predatory/sexually abusive behavior?

 

Joseph Bishop: But I have this thing about, I have this sexual addiction, what can I say?
Denson             :But, did you get treatment?
Joseph Bishop: No.
Denson             :So what did you, how ...
Joseph Bishop: I kept fighting, and I kept trying to pray and this and that and everything else to get over it. I'm now, I now feel healed in the sense that I am not tempted....

 

Joseph Bishop: Oh my. I have struggled. I have struggled my whole life on this very issue.
Denson             : With no counseling, no way of making a change of behavior?
Joseph Bishop: How could you, how could even ... I used to say to myself all the time, I'm a hypocrite.
Denson             : You were.
Joseph Bishop: Yeah, of course.
Denson             : Yeah, damn right you were.
Joseph Bishop: Okay now what can a hypocrite do.
Denson             : Oh, yeah. So you tried to change your behavior ...
Joseph Bishop: Tried to solve it myself. I'm not going to do this anymore, I'm not going to do this anymore, I'm not going to think about this, I'm not going to, you know ...
Denson             : So you tried, your own kind of mind control where you focus on the appropriate things and try to set aside the things ...
Joseph Bishop: All of those things ... all of those things ...

 

Denson              :How many other women are there?
Bishop               :It's not that there's so many other women, it's just the two that were there, I remember one when I was in the Bishopric. [skimpy bathing suit story]

 

Bishop: I'm telling you my interpretation, that's how I was. No, that's fine. Where I was, I had this addiction. Took me a long time to figure out that I had an addiction. But that came and I find out, okay, I've got this addiction. I went to my friend who's a therapist, and we're in and we've figured it out. Okay, I've got this addiction. Okay, I must overcome that. Okay, I'm not going to do that anymore, I'm not going to do this anymore. And I'm going to be this, this, this, and this. That led me to this other life. That's what started to pull me out. But every time, almost every time, I'm not in that hole now, but every time, it was like I'm just doing all I can do to be better. I wasn't feeling like that's all I could do. That's the only option I sought for myself is okay, I can not do this anymore, I'm not going to do this, and I'll do this, this, this, and this. I will serve missions. I will do. I will go. I will, anything I can do, I stand the rest of my life. I've served five missions. Do you think that's all altruistic?

Edited October 27, 2018 by provoman

[Calm]

19 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

I  call Bull...the evidence has just been whittled down and washed anew with all kinds of wonderful explanations to fit. It always helps too that the law gives you time limits.

Details of what this evidence is, please, including how it was provided and most important by whom, especially if there are multiple sources.

If Denson said something without it being confirmed by someone or something else, that is not solid evidence.

Same if it was Bishop, especially if it turns out he has significant dementia as well (best of documented prior to this coming up, as Leavitt's is).

The evidence of the room in the basement is based on Denson's description plus a currently anonymous source that did apparently show pay stubs placing him there after Bishop's MTC term, so connecting that room to Bishop for sure/solidly is  problematic.

We have never heard the accusations made by the second victim, so we have no clue if she supports the claims about the basement room or not.

[Abulafia]

From McKenna on FB.

 

"..... Ron Leavitt was my bishop in 1987. I told  him Joseph Bishop sexually assaulted me in the basement of the MTC. He arranged for Elder Carlos Asay to meet with me. 
During the KUTV interview Leavitt told the reporter that he didn’t believe me, I was neurotic and tended to embellish. He told KUTV he never escalated or told anyone. 
But Joseph Bishop told BYU PD and me on a phone call that Elder Asay had in fact contacted him after he interviewed me."

Edited October 27, 2018 by Abulafia

[Abulafia]

I know you keep ignoring this Smac, but note McKenna used the term *sexual assault* because she states that it was the police recently who informed her it was rape. You can roll your eyes at that, but that is her position.

Edited October 27, 2018 by Abulafia