kllindley Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 By the way, I do want to be clear that I have absolutely no problem with the personal choices Pearson made. I do respect her effort to do what she believed was the right thing in the face of very challenging situations. Her books seem to cross a line into blaming the Church for those circumstances. I've stated before that I don't find blame to he helpful. 3
USU78 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, ALarson said: I'm not trying to make him the bad guy. He needs to back up his accusations and claims (he even named the book where he states she does what he claims). He should at least withdraw that, if he's only giving his opinion on what she meant when she was speaking publicly. Or he should provide quotes backing up that too if he's not stating that as just his opinion. He's being very unfair here to Pearson, IMO and a CFR has been issued. Where has she stated that women should not "divorce their homosexual, cheating husbands"? Where has she stated that women should "follow her example by taking said homosexual, cheating husbands back into their bosoms when they catch something that won't wash off"? Those are specific accusations and he needs to respond to the CFR. And I'm not going to name names I know. It would be dishonorable. This rathole isn't getting anybody anywhere. This started when I questioned the near worshipful way somebody was treat CLP. I disagreed. The worshipfulness was an opinion. My response is an opinion. Each based upon personal experiences. I cannot honestly and with integrity question somebody else's opinion, though I can state my own. Your piling on cb's attempt to shout down others' opinions does not reflect well. Especially when you don't know what a CFR is: it is a call for references. Such references as might have been available are either names of people in the grave or those who refuse to make their pain public. That is their, not my, right. I was not ambiguous, but rather quite clear. Your CFR, as cb's, was submitted in bad faith. 1
JulieM Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, kllindley said: That is his own words. To put his other quotes out of order and to omit a quote like this is dishonest. I quoted the one I specifically was asking about and had quoted in my post you were responding. All the additional quote were posted in the order he posted them. He has repeatedly made slurs and accusations against Carol Lynn Pearson (even in the post you quoted, he did it again). Those need to be backed up by some actual references. He should respond to the CFR by doing so. 1
ALarson Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, USU78 said: And I'm not going to name names I know. It would be dishonorable. You stated that some of what you've accused her of doing was actually written in one of her books. That should be simple to provide a reference for. But if the rest of your accusations (made as if they are proven facts) about her are just your own formed opinion, then state that. Withdraw them as being factual or post some quotes from her stating what you're accusing her of writing or stating. That's what you do when a CFR is issued. Everyone can have opinions....just make clear that's what you're expressing and don't state them as being proven facts (which is what you've done). Edited July 17, 2018 by ALarson 2
ALarson Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, kllindley said: By the way, I do want to be clear that I have absolutely no problem with the personal choices Pearson made. I do respect her effort to do what she believed was the right thing in the face of very challenging situations. As do I. She's a pretty remarkable woman, IMO. I don't agree with all that she writes, but what she did for her husband was amazing and giving and what I believe Christ would have done. 2
JulieM Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, USU78 said: Especially when you don't know what a CFR is: it is a call for references. Such references as might have been available are either names of people in the grave or those who refuse to make their pain public. That is their, not my, right. I was not ambiguous, but rather quite clear. Your CFR, as cb's, was submitted in bad faith. I have only seen one CFR posted (maybe I missed the others?). A book is something you can reference and quote from in response to a CFR. Maybe start there (with Pearson’s book that you named and said had things in it that you are accusing her of writing)? 2
USU78 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, ALarson said: As do I. She's a pretty remarkable woman, IMO. I don't agree with all that she writes, but what she did for her husband was amazing and giving and what I believe Christ would have done. Would you care to have me expand on why I profoundly disagree with her actions and why they ought not to be emulated? I'm happy to do so, but will not post it unless you express interest.
USU78 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, ALarson said: You stated that some of what you've accused her of doing was actually written in one of her books. That should be simple to provide a reference for. But if the rest of your accusations (made as if they are proven facts) about her are just your own formed opinion, then state that. Withdraw them as being factual or post some quotes from her stating what you're accusing her of writing or stating. That's what you do when a CFR is issued. Everyone can have opinions....just make clear that's what you're expressing and don't state them as being proven facts (which is what you've done). I see. I clarified an inartfully crafted post almost immediately. It was the platform provided by the early book that led to the communications I refer to and which I am not at liberty to expand on. Does that help? 1
ALarson Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, USU78 said: I see. I clarified an inartfully crafted post almost immediately. What I saw was that you went on to make even more specific accusations and claims against her (even in the post your referring too, iirc) as if they are facts. None of which you are willing to back up with any sources (not even quotes from her book that you named). You've been extremely unfair with your treatment of Pearson, IMO and you're breaking board rules by not providing references or withdrawing your claims and admitting they're just opinions. Edited July 17, 2018 by ALarson 1
kllindley Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, ALarson said: I'm not trying to make him the bad guy. He needs to back up his accusations and claims (he even named the book where he states she does what he claims). He should at least withdraw that, if he's only giving his opinion on what she meant when she was speaking publicly. Or he should provide quotes backing up that too if he's not stating that as just his opinion. He's being very unfair here to Pearson, IMO and a CFR has been issued. Where has she stated that women should not "divorce their homosexual, cheating husbands"? Where has she stated that women should "follow her example by taking said homosexual, cheating husbands back into their bosoms when they catch something that won't wash off"? Those are specific accusations and he needs to respond to the CFR. 1 hour ago, JulieM said: I quoted the one I specifically was asking about and had quoted in my post you were responding. All the additional quote were posted in the order he posted them. He has repeatedly made slurs and accusations against Carol Lynn Pearson (even in the post you quoted, he did it again). Those need to be backed up by some actual references. He should respond to the CFR by doing so. Whatever. He has now twice clarified and corrected any confusion. At this point it just seems like badgering. 2
JulieM Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 19 hours ago, USU78 said: No, you misunderstand. I have personal knowledge of her advising women (a) not to divorce their homosexual, cheating husbands, and (b) to follow her example by taking said homosexual, cheating husbands back into their bosoms when they catch something that won't wash off. What an ugly post (why not just say “AIDS”?).
JulieM Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, kllindley said: Whatever. He has now twice clarified and corrected any confusion. Not really. He’s simply refused to provide sources for his definite claims or quotes from her book that he states contains the info he’s referring to. He’s been given several chances to just withdraw them too. Instead he just went on to posting more ugly accusations. Edited July 17, 2018 by JulieM
USU78 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, JulieM said: I have only seen one CFR posted (maybe I missed the others?). A book is something you can reference and quote from in response to a CFR. Maybe start there (with Pearson’s book that you named and said had things in it that you are accusing her of writing)? You get that you and I are not having a conversation, right?
Tacenda Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, USU78 said: You get that you and I are not having a conversation, right? https://giphy.com/gifs/Interstellardesignz-jp-sears-jpsears-politically-incorrect-1wXeUYq3hJXj17U5Ct USU, why are you not providing the portion of her book you are speaking of. It's okay if you said something without substantiating. Everyone is human, even you!
USU78 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Tacenda said: https://giphy.com/gifs/Interstellardesignz-jp-sears-jpsears-politically-incorrect-1wXeUYq3hJXj17U5Ct USU, why are you not providing the portion of her book you are speaking of. It's okay if you said something without substantiating. Everyone is human, even you! I will pm you later. Answer the CFR or leave the discussion. Somebody told me isn't documentation.
Unaffiliated Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 I think the donation is wonderful, and we can reach out to those suffering with depression and show compassion. The Mr. Rogers movie made me want to tell everyone I know that I love them.
JulieM Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 8 hours ago, USU78 said: You get that you and I are not having a conversation, right? I was just making a suggestion. No worries.
Tacenda Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Unaffiliated said: I think the donation is wonderful, and we can reach out to those suffering with depression and show compassion. The Mr. Rogers movie made me want to tell everyone I know that I love them. I saw the movie with Mr. Rogers, we need another like him for the coming generations for sure.
Calm Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: I saw the movie with Mr. Rogers, we need another like him for the coming generations for sure. I survived postpartum sleep deprivation in part because of him. Edited July 18, 2018 by Calm
ALarson Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 20 hours ago, kllindley said: Whatever. He has now twice clarified and corrected any confusion. At this point it just seems like badgering. And as a mod has now noted, he has not properly responded to the CFR that has been issued. He has flippantly responded when it is a board rule to honor them and provide documentation or withdraw your claims. He's refused to do either. I guess we will see now if he does as the mods have requested or if he just slinks away and doesn't return to this thread. 1
kllindley Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, ALarson said: And as a mod has now noted, he has not properly responded to the CFR that has been issued. He has flippantly responded when it is a board rule to honor them and provide documentation or withdraw your claims. He's refused to do either. I guess we will see now if he does as the mods have requested or if he just slinks away and doesn't return to this thread. ✌👋
USU78 Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 19 hours ago, USU78 said: I will pm you later. Answer the CFR or leave the discussion. Somebody told me isn't documentation. How?
HappyJackWagon Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, USU78 said: How? I don't know that the mod will see your question. But typically, if someone can't, or won't back up their assertion with references, they withdraw their claim. IOW- Prove it or retract. 2
HappyJackWagon Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 The VP for Affirmation has resigned because affirmation accepted the church's donation for suicide prevention. She equated it to hiring an arsonist to fight fires. Harsh. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/07/18/affirmation-veep-resigns/
jkwilliams Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, USU78 said: How? If you don't know how to back up an assertion when you're called on it, perhaps you shouldn't have made the assertion in the first place. 3
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