bsjkki Posted April 29, 2018 Posted April 29, 2018 The new girls camp manual was released. I like this change. I feel the outline of what a day at camp could look like and one important purpose of camp that was listed will keep camp, "camp" .https://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/language-materials/34573_eng.pdf?cid=HP_TH-12-4-2018_dPTH_fCNWS_xLIDyM_ "Whatever principles you choose to teach, keep in mind that everything you do at camp should help each young woman accomplish the following outcomes (see also Handbook 2, 10.1.1): • Strengthen her faith in and testimony of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. • Understand her identity as a daughter of God • Live a worthy life as she obeys the commandments and lives gospel standards. • Receive, recognize, and rely on the promptings of the Holy Ghost. • Prepare for her divine roles as a leader, wife, and mother. • Understand and keep the covenants she has made. • Develop friendships and have fun." We got the greenlight to have "fun"...yay! I also liked the addition of the word "leader" to the wife and mother category. 3
Jeanne Posted April 29, 2018 Posted April 29, 2018 Definitely like develop friendships and have fun!!! As long as they don't do scary things to teach principles..this is good. 1
Glenn101 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 10 hours ago, Jeanne said: Definitely like develop friendships and have fun!!! As long as they don't do scary things to teach principles..this is good. The talks in our ward today were by the Brother and Sister team that are currently serving a working mission at the local camp, Eagle's Nest, where the young women from the surrounding areas have their summer camps. They are a great couple and have extended their mission to a full 36 months. I feel a bit selfish in this, but I hope they will still be here when my wife and I send our granddaughter/daughter to camp next year. I am looking forward to that so much. Jessi does not have a lot of friends in the church and I hope that an extended amount of time in such an environment will help her in that area. Glenn 2
cinepro Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 If you have to tell the leaders that one of the acceptable purposes of camp is to "develop friendships and have fun", then it's time to get new leaders. 4
Glenn101 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 1 hour ago, cinepro said: If you have to tell the leaders that one of the acceptable purposes of camp is to "develop friendships and have fun", then it's time to get new leaders. Might you be over reacting a tiny bit here, and maybe over interpreting a tiny bit also? Human beings do tend to sometimes get tunnel vision and focus on some things more than others. I think that the idea was to provide a balanced experience, a reminder. In most wards and branches I have attended, the Young Women adult leaders were some of the most dedicated workers in God's Kingdom here on this earth, especially in the time they put into their callings. Maybe they also sometimes just need to relax and have more fun at those camps instead of worrying so much about their charges, their safety, their well being, etc. Glenn
Yirgacheffe Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 19 hours ago, bsjkki said: The new girls camp manual was released. I like this change. I feel the outline of what a day at camp could look like and one important purpose of camp that was listed will keep camp, "camp" .https://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/language-materials/34573_eng.pdf?cid=HP_TH-12-4-2018_dPTH_fCNWS_xLIDyM_ "Whatever principles you choose to teach, keep in mind that everything you do at camp should help each young woman accomplish the following outcomes (see also Handbook 2, 10.1.1): • Strengthen her faith in and testimony of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. • Understand her identity as a daughter of God • Live a worthy life as she obeys the commandments and lives gospel standards. • Receive, recognize, and rely on the promptings of the Holy Ghost. • Prepare for her divine roles as a leader, wife, and mother. • Understand and keep the covenants she has made. • Develop friendships and have fun." We got the greenlight to have "fun"...yay! I also liked the addition of the word "leader" to the wife and mother category. That's a lot of stuff that has a higher priority over friendship and fun.
Calm Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 47 minutes ago, Yirgacheffe said: That's a lot of stuff that has a higher priority over friendship and fun. Why do you think those are in order of priority and not meant to all be done at once? The wording "accomplish the following outcomes" does not imply you can lighten up your attention as you go through the list, imo. 1
bsjkki Posted April 30, 2018 Author Posted April 30, 2018 9 hours ago, cinepro said: If you have to tell the leaders that one of the acceptable purposes of camp is to "develop friendships and have fun", then it's time to get new leaders. Sometimes, people are very literal when interpreting instructions in church handbooks. If it wasn't listed, some would plan all activites to be spiritually centered--I know others that would make creative interpretations to have any activity work. I like that it is spelled out so the literal and the creative interpretations all include, "develop friendships and have fun." 1
Jeanne Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 13 hours ago, Glenn101 said: The talks in our ward today were by the Brother and Sister team that are currently serving a working mission at the local camp, Eagle's Nest, where the young women from the surrounding areas have their summer camps. They are a great couple and have extended their mission to a full 36 months. I feel a bit selfish in this, but I hope they will still be here when my wife and I send our granddaughter/daughter to camp next year. I am looking forward to that so much. Jessi does not have a lot of friends in the church and I hope that an extended amount of time in such an environment will help her in that area. Glenn I hope so too. It can be a rewarding experience when making new friends too!!! 1
cinepro Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, bsjkki said: If it wasn't listed, some would plan all activites to be spiritually centered--I know others that would make creative interpretations to have any activity work. I like that it is spelled out so the literal and the creative interpretations all include, "develop friendships and have fun." That's what I said. Anyone who needs to have it spelled out should not be involved in planning or supervising girl's camp. Obviously, I say this as one who will never have any input into who does or doesn't get to run girl's camp. And I say this having lived in a ward that had youth leaders that over-emphasized their idea of "fun" to the detriment of the program. But if anyone in the future ever asks me why the Church is losing the youth, I'm glad that now I have something I can point to. Edited April 30, 2018 by cinepro
theplains Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/29/2018 at 2:07 PM, bsjkki said: • Prepare for her divine roles as a leader, wife, and mother. • Understand and keep the covenants she has made. Does LDS theology teach that it is a sin if a woman chooses to remain single to serve God her entire life? In Matthew 19:1-12, do you believe Jesus is teaching that marriage is not for everyone? Jim
bsjkki Posted May 1, 2018 Author Posted May 1, 2018 I believe marriage and motherhood are for everyone but not everyone has the opportunity in this life. I think every girl should be taught to be a leader. Most will be, either at home, at church or in their careers. 21 minutes ago, theplains said: Does LDS theology teach that it is a sin if a woman chooses to remain single to serve God her entire life? In Matthew 19:1-12, do you believe Jesus is teaching that marriage is not for everyone? Jim 2
theplains Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 8:16 PM, bsjkki said: I believe marriage and motherhood are for everyone but not everyone has the opportunity in this life. I think every girl should be taught to be a leader. Most will be, either at home, at church or in their careers. How is a lady (married to someone ordained a Melchizedek priest) a leader in the home? Suppose we have a mother (50 years old) and she has been a faithful Latter-day Saint all her life. She has an 18-year-old, also ordained to the Melchizedek priesthood. Does she have less or more spiritual authority than her son in her home? (please explain why). Jim
bsjkki Posted May 4, 2018 Author Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, theplains said: How is a lady (married to someone ordained a Melchizedek priest) a leader in the home? Suppose we have a mother (50 years old) and she has been a faithful Latter-day Saint all her life. She has an 18-year-old, also ordained to the Melchizedek priesthood. Does she have less or more spiritual authority than her son in her home? (please explain why). Jim Well...my family voted me the spiritual leader in my home so I'm not sure what type of explanation you want. The proclamation on the family says, "By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed." In my family, there are plenty of leadership opportunites for both Mother and Father. Is there not in yours? And in a direct answer to your question, my 18-year-old son does not out rank me in my home just because he is a Melchizedek Priesthood holder. If we choose to teach him leadership skills in our home to prepare him for his future, there is nothing wrong with that either. Edited May 4, 2018 by bsjkki 4
Rain Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 7 hours ago, theplains said: How is a lady (married to someone ordained a Melchizedek priest) a leader in the home? Suppose we have a mother (50 years old) and she has been a faithful Latter-day Saint all her life. She has an 18-year-old, also ordained to the Melchizedek priesthood. Does she have less or more spiritual authority than her son in her home? (please explain why). Jim As a 50 yo woman married to a man who was ordained a high prriest and who had an 18yo son in my home 5 years ago who was ordained with the Melchizedek Priesthood and now has a 16yo son in my home with the Aaronic priesthood - in my home my husband and I have shared authority. We have the authority as parents and neither of my sons have had that in our home. It's kind of funny to write that because it seems to be such a common sense thing yet I know that is not understood by many. My youngest is now a leader in his quorem. I have no authority in that. As a home teacher my son has authority in that realm. In my calling I am the one with that authority. If you look at the role we have it isn't hard to figure out who has the authority. The more I think about it writing this post the more I am thinking that "more" NEVER comes into place. I appreciate the question because I never realized just how simple it was till I needed to explain it. 1
theplains Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 On 5/3/2018 at 9:09 PM, bsjkki said: The proclamation on the family says, "By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed." In my family, there are plenty of leadership opportunites for both Mother and Father. Is there not in yours? And in a direct answer to your question, my 18-year-old son does not out rank me in my home just because he is a Melchizedek Priesthood holder. If we choose to teach him leadership skills in our home to prepare him for his future, there is nothing wrong with that either. Before the Fall, what was the relationship between Adam and Eve? In light of Genesis 3:!6, how did this relationship change after the Fall? I'm single now, but when I was married without kids, I did not think of my marriage in terms of leaders and followers. I regarded my wife as my co-worker. If we disagreed, sometimes my choice would be the final outcome, and other times her voice would be the final outcome. If your son is a Melchizedek Priesthood holder, what could he do spiritually that you could not? Thanks, Jim
theplains Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 On 5/4/2018 at 4:59 AM, Rain said: As a home teacher my son has authority in that realm. Why would he have the authority over you as a home teacher? Is he more wise or more spiritually gifted by God than you? Jim
Calm Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 You misread her, she is saying he has stewardship to fulfill his duties as home teacher with the family he helps (this stewardship is one of service and leadership by example, not dominion), not that being a home teacher gives him authority over her, his mother. 2
Rain Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 3 hours ago, theplains said: Why would he have the authority over you as a home teacher? Is he more wise or more spiritually gifted by God than you? Jim As calm said, his families are not my stewardship. Not my role. His priesthood authority is in that role, not the parent role. And not as a parent or leader role over his home/ministering families either. Those are their roles. His priesthood authority only goes as far as the role of a home teacher.
Storm Rider Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 I really miss the days when girls were girls and boys were boys and camp was about going and having fun, learning some stuff, and coming home feeling like it was the greatest time in our lives. There are just so many dang rules today and no one can just be a child or young adult. Now girls cannot just be girls and boys cannot just be boys because the definitions of what is and what is not a girl or boy has become so expansive as to be meaningless.
Calm Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 Yeah, because learning to put on makeup and fashion tips was oh, so fun. 1
bluebell Posted May 6, 2018 Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Calm said: Yeah, because learning to put on makeup and fashion tips was oh, so fun. For some girls it’s a lot of fun (our Laurels have requested a make up tutorial for one of their activities) but it’s not fun for everyone or all the time. Girls want to learn about rock climbing, fishing, oceanography, etc. too. Edited May 6, 2018 by bluebell 1
Calm Posted May 6, 2018 Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) It is kind of obvious though if someone nevers wears makeup having a lesson on it every other month is going to seem like a waste of time. (Out of 6 or 7 girls, two of us never wore makeup) My leaders were sincere, sweet young mothers or newlyweds and I don't remember ever enjoying a lesson nor do I ever remember being asked what I was interested in, just was told. And I never went to camp. Never interested, all I remember is being told about pranks and skits...both of which I have a horror of and I am grateful for whatever reason my parents couldn't be bothered with girls' camp. Iirc, most likely we had summer jobs. I am so, so grateful the days when girls were expected to be "girls" and only "girls" is over with. Edited May 6, 2018 by Calm 1
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