JLHPROF Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: If true why hasn't God inspired men to make fusion work? and more importantly, because so many of Mormons believe burning coal and other fossil fuels is good, why hasn't God corrected us? Most Mormons do believe burning fossil fuels is good, but it wouldn't be the case with revelation telling us to stop. True, but you say burning fossil fuels isn't good, and yet most of us Mormons believe it is good. Why would God leave us in the dark? We are not longer in the dark ages. But it is sad that an overwhelming majority of experts are bought by the federal government and the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. The list of pro-climate change scientists contributing to climate science is much bigger than the other list "This list of climate scientists contains famous or otherwise notable persons who have contributed to the study of climate science. The list is compiled manually so will not be complete or up to date" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_climate_scientists But as the scriptures prophecies most are going astray. Matthew 7:14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:14 literally applies to everything, even science fields. The scripture also prophesies major climate change. 1
SamuelTheLamanite Posted January 26, 2018 Author Posted January 26, 2018 42 minutes ago, pogi said: There goes agency! So how to do you explain D&C 88:13? How do you explain the prophecies of Samuel the Lamanite in Hel 14? If the weather is just random, then how did Samuel predict the signs of Christ death? The summery says "The signs of His death include three days of darkness, the rending of the rocks, and great upheavals of nature." Is God in control yes or no?
pogi Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: If true why hasn't God inspired men to make fusion work? and more importantly, because so many of Mormons believe burning coal and other fossil fuels is good, why hasn't God corrected us? Most Mormons do believe burning fossil fuels is good, but it wouldn't be the case with revelation telling us to stop. True, but you say burning fossil fuels isn't good, and yet most of us Mormons believe it is good. Why would God leave us in the dark? We are not longer in the dark ages. But it is sad that an overwhelming majority of experts are bought by the federal government and the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. The list of pro-climate change scientists contributing to climate science is much bigger than the other list "This list of climate scientists contains famous or otherwise notable persons who have contributed to the study of climate science. The list is compiled manually so will not be complete or up to date" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_climate_scientists But as the scriptures prophecies most are going astray. Matthew 7:14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:14 literally applies to everything, even science fields. “I have tried for a number of years to get the minds of the Saints prepared to receive the things of God; but we frequently see some of them, after suffering all they have for the work of God, will fly to pieces like glass as soon as anything comes that is contrary to their traditions: they cannot stand the fire at all. How many will be able to abide a celestial law, and go through and receive their exaltation, I am unable to say, as many are called, but few are chosen [see D&C 121:40].” It doesn't matter what most Mormons think, the traditions and ways of men are abominable. 2
pogi Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 18 minutes ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: So how to do you explain D&C 88:13? Easy, good government does not require force. Are you suggesting men don't have agency? 19 minutes ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: How do you explain the prophecies of Samuel the Lamanite in Hel 14? If the weather is just random, then how did Samuel predict the signs of Christ death? The summery says "The signs of His death include three days of darkness, the rending of the rocks, and great upheavals of nature." Is God in control yes or no? Huh?? What does that have to do with the agency of man?
SamuelTheLamanite Posted January 26, 2018 Author Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, pogi said: It doesn't matter what most Mormons think, the traditions and ways of men are abominable. When I quoted Matthew I was talking about scientists. The vast majority scientists are bought by the federal government and the U.S. Senate Committee on Science, only a few number are not bought by the government. 1 hour ago, pogi said: Huh?? What does that have to do with the agency of man? You tell me. How did Samuel predict the signs of Christ death? Does God control the climate?
pogi Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: When I quoted Matthew I was talking about scientists. The vast majority scientists are bought by the federal government and the U.S. Senate Committee on Science, only a few number are not bought by the government. I wasn't talking about Mathew. 3 minutes ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: You tell me. How did Samuel predict the signs of Christ death? Does God control the climate? Ok, I will tell you. Yes, man has agency. No, nothing else you say will change that. Dude, you are side tracking. My point is that fossil fuels are bad because they create unhealthy air and they are a limited resource. We should be preparing for the future by investing in more sustainable energy. 1
SamuelTheLamanite Posted January 26, 2018 Author Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, pogi said: Dude, you are side tracking. My point is that fossil fuels are bad because they create unhealthy air and they are a limited resource. We should be preparing for the future by investing in more sustainable energy. Okay. God gave us the industrial revolution as a blessing, why hasn't God given us fusion to work? Why haven't prophets warned us about the burning of fossil fuels? Most of us believe coal and other fossil fuels are good, why wouldn't God warn us about it's dangers. Pogi, at church we hear many stories of God protecting us from danger, so why wouldn't God tell us that CO2 emissions are bad? 29 minutes ago, pogi said: Ok, I will tell you. Yes, man has agency. No, nothing else you say will change that. The scriptures only talk about moral agency, but it doesn't mean we are free to choose our personality, our likes, our feelings, even our thinking in many cases. Pogi, do you believe God controls the weather? If God doesn't control the weather, then how did Samuel predict destruction in the same day that Christ died? How did God know the exact day Christ was getting crucified? Edited January 26, 2018 by SamuelTheLamanite
pogi Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: ...it doesn't mean we are free to choose our personality, our likes, our feelings, even our thinking in many cases. Ok, I guess there is no point in having this conversation then, since we can't willfully change anything. Peace out!
The Nehor Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 4 hours ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: Our prophets teach us, "the scientific achievements including the Industrial Revolution, the Communication Revolution, and advancements in medicine that have greatly blessed us today". The burning of fossils fuels make machines work. CO2 is a blessing, not a curse. If CO2 was bad then God would have given us fusion instead. To this day God hasn't inspire anyone to make fusion work. There is no need to worry The Nehor, if Global Warming was a threat God would have given us the tools to fight it. But in the small chance that man-made climate change is real and dangerous, it is okay because our life on Earth is only temporal, we have an eternity to enjoy the gospel. Most of the experts are paid a lot of money to conclude that climate change is man-made. Senate science committee chairman is giving a lot of money to NASA to cherry pick the data. Luckily we have renown scientists like Tim Ball and Lindzen that are not bought by the Federal government. Lindzen is the only MIT professor (out of 23 in his department) that doesn't accept giant federal grants, he is of the few who is more interested in the truth. Scientists also teach us that things like the Resurrection aren't possible. How do you reconcile Science with the ressurection of Jesus? How about Lazarus reviving? You seem to want to put everything into axiomatic good and bad categories to simplify everything. Industrialization helps some therefore CO2 is inherently good? That is insane. You do know this is a fallen world right? Is sex good? It depends Is the internet good? Depends. Is killing someone good? Depends. Is eating pie good? Yes, but not if you are eating five a day. God commands us to care for the Earth and use it wisely with good judgement. Almost everything is dangerous in excess. 2
The Nehor Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Brother Bear said: Sam, I think you may have accidentally posted to the wrong forum. Conspiracy theories of man mingled with scripture go here: https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/ Fairly common mistake. Best laugh of the day so far. Thank you.
The Nehor Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, ttribe said: I am now more convinced than ever that SamuelTheLamanite is just perpetually trolling the members of this board. Have fun, folks! If he is kudos to him. He is very good at playing the naive simpleton.
SamuelTheLamanite Posted January 26, 2018 Author Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, The Nehor said: God commands us to care for the Earth and use it wisely with good judgement. Almost everything is dangerous in excess. How do you know we are burning fossil fuels in excess? God or the prophets haven't told us "humans are burning fossil fuels in excess". Pope Francis did tell his church man-man climate change is real and dangerous, but the Pope is not a prophet. Our true prophets haven't said anything, so there is nothing to worry about. We should worry more about destructive forces like gay marriage, pornography, immorality, secularization, and the attacks on our religious freedom. If climate change is real or not it really doesn't matter because we have an eternity after our life on Earth. Let's worry more about things that have eternal consequences. Edited January 26, 2018 by SamuelTheLamanite
CA Steve Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 The climate change science is too complicated for me to decide but I am convinced that computer science is fake. 1
janderich Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 13 hours ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: The other thread is now closed and I didn't get the chance to share my views. I believe man cannot change the climate because D&C 88:13 teaches us the light of Christ governs all things, not men. The idea of climate change contradicts Mormon doctrine. The scriptures teach in the last days we are going to see a lot of corruption and false doctrines. The scriptures are already being fulfilled. The scientists are not allowed to question man-made climate change without losing big federal grants. The federal government pays NASA millions of dollars to cherry pick the data. Fortunately we non-scientists don't receive grants and we can do research for ourselves. Climate Science isn't complicated at all, with a quick google search you can find many temperature graphs that show no warming. It just very simple. In fact 2016 was warmer than 2017 so that means the Earth is not warming. People really need to start questioning the climate science research, with a great invention called Google we can quickly learn that there is no evidence for man-made climate change. You can also find New York Times and CNN articles predicting the end of snow, yet we see a lot of snow. I believe God gave us carbon to use it, the industrial revolution has been a blessing for humanity and the church. Thanks to the industrial revolution we have computers that allow us to do genealogy much easier. If the industrial revolution is a blessing from God it means the earth can't be warming. Why would God inspire something that is harmful to the planet? There are Youtube videos from renown scientists like Tim Ball or Richard Lindzen. Richard Lindzen is a professor at MIT. It is true twenty-two other MIT professors wrote a letter criticizing Lindzen, but that was only because the federal government paid them a lot of money to do it, it's all just a conspiracy. Lastly, if man-made climate change was real and a threat to humanity our prophets would have been warning us already. Our prophets warn us about financial crisis, natural disasters, violence, but nothing on climate change. In climate science there aren't many variables to take into account, for me it is just simple logic. Just look at your window, look outside it is freezing. That is all I have to say. Thank You for reading. The general unwillingness from the left to accept the science of climate change is disappointing, but I have to say that your ridged religious interpretation is even worse. Please go study the science of climate change with an open mind. The data for global warming is almost overwhelming.
janderich Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: How do you know we are burning fossil fuels in excess? God or the prophets haven't told us "humans are burning fossil fuels in excess". Pope Francis did tell his church man-man climate change is real and dangerous, but the Pope is not a prophet. Our true prophets haven't said anything, so there is nothing to worry about. We should worry more about destructive forces like gay marriage, pornography, immorality, secularization, and the attacks on our religious freedom. If climate change is real or not it really doesn't matter because we have an eternity after our life on Earth. Let's worry more about things that have eternal consequences. Here is how we know we are burning fossil fuels in excess...
The Nehor Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: How do you know we are burning fossil fuels in excess? God or the prophets haven't told us "humans are burning fossil fuels in excess". Pope Francis did tell his church man-man climate change is real and dangerous, but the Pope is not a prophet. Our true prophets haven't said anything, so there is nothing to worry about. We should worry more about destructive forces like gay marriage, pornography, immorality, secularization, and the attacks on our religious freedom. If climate change is real or not it really doesn't matter because we have an eternity after our life on Earth. Let's worry more about things that have eternal consequences. So it is all a myth because it is doctrine that we must be commanded by the prophet in all things but it does not matter anyways because we are all going to die one day? Ummm......okay. Problem is Brigham Young said that those who have to be led in all things will never be exalted. Since you seem to need that you cannot be exalted. So you might as well worry about climate change. It is not like you have anything better to do. The sad thing is that ridiculous argument is better than yours......
kiwi57 Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 On 1/26/2018 at 7:27 PM, SamuelTheLamanite said: The other thread is now closed and I didn't get the chance to share my views. I believe man cannot change the climate because D&C 88:13 teaches us the light of Christ governs all things, not men. The idea of climate change contradicts Mormon doctrine. The scriptures teach in the last days we are going to see a lot of corruption and false doctrines. The scriptures are already being fulfilled. The scientists are not allowed to question man-made climate change without losing big federal grants. The federal government pays NASA millions of dollars to cherry pick the data. Fortunately we non-scientists don't receive grants and we can do research for ourselves. Climate Science isn't complicated at all, with a quick google search you can find many temperature graphs that show no warming. It just very simple. In fact 2016 was warmer than 2017 so that means the Earth is not warming. People really need to start questioning the climate science research, with a great invention called Google we can quickly learn that there is no evidence for man-made climate change. You can also find New York Times and CNN articles predicting the end of snow, yet we see a lot of snow. I believe God gave us carbon to use it, the industrial revolution has been a blessing for humanity and the church. Thanks to the industrial revolution we have computers that allow us to do genealogy much easier. If the industrial revolution is a blessing from God it means the earth can't be warming. Why would God inspire something that is harmful to the planet? There are Youtube videos from renown scientists like Tim Ball or Richard Lindzen. Richard Lindzen is a professor at MIT. It is true twenty-two other MIT professors wrote a letter criticizing Lindzen, but that was only because the federal government paid them a lot of money to do it, it's all just a conspiracy. Lastly, if man-made climate change was real and a threat to humanity our prophets would have been warning us already. Our prophets warn us about financial crisis, natural disasters, violence, but nothing on climate change. In climate science there aren't many variables to take into account, for me it is just simple logic. Just look at your window, look outside it is freezing. That is all I have to say. Thank You for reading. Sigh. Climate change is not false doctrine. Climate change is not true doctrine. Climate change isn't doctrine at all. Climate change is a scientific theory that appears to have a fair amount of evidence and research backing it up. That theory may change in the future as more evidence comes to hand, or possibly even as power cliques break down. But it is exclusively within the sphere of science that that will be played out. 3
sunstoned Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 16 hours ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: Okay. God gave us the industrial revolution as a blessing, why hasn't God given us fusion to work? Why haven't prophets warned us about the burning of fossil fuels? Most of us believe coal and other fossil fuels are good, why wouldn't God warn us about it's dangers. Pogi, at church we hear many stories of God protecting us from danger, so why wouldn't God tell us that CO2 emissions are bad? The scriptures only talk about moral agency, but it doesn't mean we are free to choose our personality, our likes, our feelings, even our thinking in many cases. Pogi, do you believe God controls the weather? If God doesn't control the weather, then how did Samuel predict destruction in the same day that Christ died? How did God know the exact day Christ was getting crucified? CFR on "Most of us believe coal and other fossil fuels are good".
Stargazer Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 21 hours ago, hope_for_things said: Threads like this make me contemplate a world without religious thinking. The scriptures can be used to determine the validity of Climate change? Yikes people, what century am I living in. Humans have come up with ridiculous ideas about scientific principles without the aid of religion, too. It's a human trait, not necessarily just a religious one. And there have been scientists who have "religiously" defended theories that were false. This is the first time I've seen someone using the Doctrine and Covenants to defend against global warming, however. A foolish position in this case. 1
Freedom Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) On 1/26/2018 at 12:15 PM, SamuelTheLamanite said: How do you know we are burning fossil fuels in excess? God or the prophets haven't told us "humans are burning fossil fuels in excess". Pope Francis did tell his church man-man climate change is real and dangerous, but the Pope is not a prophet. Our true prophets haven't said anything, so there is nothing to worry about. We should worry more about destructive forces like gay marriage, pornography, immorality, secularization, and the attacks on our religious freedom. If climate change is real or not it really doesn't matter because we have an eternity after our life on Earth. Let's worry more about things that have eternal consequences. So we should not worry about destroying our environment because of gay marriage? I would suggest you drink battery acid and let me know how it goes down, or start smoking and see how well your lungs fair. How about traveling to China where they have lax environmental laws and see how you enjoy their cities and rivers. Yes, God sees the future and the past. This does not mean he is in control of every aspect, only that he knows the consequences of our actions. God has not spoken out against coal or gasoline, but he has advised us to be wise stewards of his earth. Edited January 29, 2018 by Freedom 1
SamuelTheLamanite Posted January 30, 2018 Author Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) On 1/26/2018 at 9:35 PM, The Nehor said: So it is all a myth because it is doctrine that we must be commanded by the prophet in all things but it does not matter anyways because we are all going to die one day? It doesn't matter because we have an eternity after our mortal life on Earth. On 1/28/2018 at 4:58 AM, Freedom said: So we should not worry about destroying our environment because of gay marriage? The scriptures teach gay marriage, pornography, secularization are spiritually destructive for society. Look at what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah. On 1/28/2018 at 4:58 AM, Freedom said: God has not spoken out against coal or gasoline, but he has advised us to be wise stewards of his earth. Most of us agree we need to take care of the Earth, but at the same time most of us Mormons think coal is mostly good. Edited January 30, 2018 by SamuelTheLamanite
pogi Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: Most of us agree we need to take care of the Earth, but at the same time most of us Mormons think coal is mostly good. Hence, "perfection is a process".
The Nehor Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 39 minutes ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: It doesn't matter because we have an eternity after our mortal life on Earth. Then you will not mind if I follow you around all day randomly punching you throughout your day. After all the pain and annoyance do not matter because you will have an eternity after your mortal life on Earth?
SamuelTheLamanite Posted January 30, 2018 Author Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) On 1/26/2018 at 3:02 PM, hope_for_things said: Threads like this make me contemplate a world without religious thinking. The scriptures can be used to determine the validity of Climate change? Yikes people, what century am I living in. A world without religious thinking would be full of slavery, abuse, immorality, pornography, murder. It's religion that makes us free and happy. Look at Costa Rica, it's one of the happiest countries on Earth, and it is very religious. All we need is religious freedom to hope for things. Edited January 30, 2018 by SamuelTheLamanite
SamuelTheLamanite Posted January 30, 2018 Author Posted January 30, 2018 23 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Then you will not mind if I follow you around all day randomly punching you throughout your day. After all the pain and annoyance do not matter because you will have an eternity after your mortal life on Earth? Christ already endured all of our pains, challenges, suffering. What do you think of the comment made by hope for things? His comment is exactly what I am very worried about because many think the same thing. It is now more clear than ever that our religious freedom is being aggressively under attack. 45 minutes ago, pogi said: Hence, "perfection is a process". Pogi. You told me earlier you are not a warming believer. I have a question. Do you think like me that the federal government and the United States Senate Committee paid twenty-two MIT scientists to attack renown scientist Richard Lindzen? If that is true it just confirms we are in the last days because we can see all false doctrine and corruption. We are seeing the scriptures being fulfilled.
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