Gray Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 I'm wondering what the relevance is to Mormonism on these global warming threads. There doesn't seem to be much of a connection. 3
longview Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 On 2/8/2018 at 8:49 AM, Gray said: I'm wondering what the relevance is to Mormonism on these global warming threads. There doesn't seem to be much of a connection. A conspiracy of the Abominable Church of the Devil working strenuously to enslave all mankind to become drones to the super state. Only then can Lucifer implement his plan that he presented at the Grand Council in the pre-existence. Which is to "GUARANTEE" salvation for ALL spirit children. WAIT! Doesn't that sound like communism and/or socialism?
Gray Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, longview said: A conspiracy of the Abominable Church of the Devil working strenuously to enslave all mankind to become drones to the super state. Only then can Lucifer implement his plan that he presented at the Grand Council in the pre-existence. Which is to "GUARANTEE" salvation for ALL spirit children. WAIT! Doesn't that sound like communism and/or socialism? Tell me more. Where do chemtrails fit in?
JLHPROF Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 On 2/7/2018 at 9:15 PM, SamuelTheLamanite said: wow you did it the Nehor, I am now convinced. Thanks to an apostle of the Lord I now know climate change is real. Thank You. Call me a soldier for the Earth now. The plagues in Revelation shouldn't be taken literally. You told me you don't take the entire Bible literally. The Book of Revelation is a book of metaphors. https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-43-signs-of-the-second-coming?lang=eng The Prophet Joseph Smith said: “Be not discouraged when we tell you of perilous times, for they must shortly come, for the sword, famine, and pestilence are approaching. There shall be great destructions upon the face of this land, for ye need not suppose that one jot or tittle of the prophecies of all the holy prophets shall fail, and there are many that remain to be fulfilled yet” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith [2007], 252). Many of these signs are being fulfilled. Wickedness is everywhere. Nations are constantly at war. Earthquakes and other calamities are occurring. Many people now suffer from devastating storms, drought, hunger, and diseases. We can be certain that these calamities will become more severe before the Lord comes. https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-joseph-smith/chapter-21?lang=eng Joseph Smith - “Judah must return, Jerusalem must be rebuilt, and the temple, and water come out from under the temple, and the waters of the Dead Sea be healed. It will take some time to rebuild the walls of the city and the temple, etc.; and all this must be done before the Son of Man will make His appearance. There will be wars and rumors of wars, signs in the heavens above and on the earth beneath, the sun turned into darkness and the moon to blood, earthquakes in divers places, the seas heaving beyond their bounds; then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. But what will the world do? They will say it is a planet, a comet, etc. But the Son of Man will come as the sign of the coming of the Son of Man, which will be as the light of the morning cometh out of the east So things that will indicate the imminent return of the Savior: Signs in the heavens including darkened suns and moons turned to blood (Blood moons, Super Blood Blue Moons, Solar Eclipses, etc) Earthquakes in diverse places (Mexico, Iran) Seas heaving beyond their bounds (oceans rising, Hurricanes like Harvey and Irma) Sounds like a change in climate to me. Wilford Woodruff also promised that "That was before New York was destroyed by an Earthquake. It was before Boston was swept into the sea by the sea heaving itself beyond its bounds. It was before Albany was destroyed By fire. Yea at that time you will remember the scenes of this day." And Brigham Young stated this "was revelation and would be fulfilled."
SamuelTheLamanite Posted February 9, 2018 Author Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Many of these signs are being fulfilled. Wickedness is everywhere. Nations are constantly at war. Earthquakes and other calamities are occurring. Many people now suffer from devastating storms, drought, hunger, and diseases. We can be certain that these calamities will become more severe before the Lord comes. Yes, we now suffer from diseases JLHPROF, but our prophet President Nelson made it very clear overpopulation is not a threat. Large populations won't increase the chance of a monster pandemic disease. Would you agree JLHPROF? Edited February 9, 2018 by SamuelTheLamanite
JLHPROF Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: Yes, we now suffer from diseases JLHPROF, but our prophet President Nelson made it very clear overpopulation is not a threat. Large populations won't increase the chance of a monster pandemic disease. Would you agree JLHPROF? I don't believe in overpopulation. I do believe in mismanagement of resources. We can be overpopulated for our current systems to sustain because we use our resources so poorly. But I consider the term overpopulation, as in too many people on earth, to be contrary to gospel doctrine. 1
SamuelTheLamanite Posted February 9, 2018 Author Posted February 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: I don't believe in overpopulation. I do believe in mismanagement of resources. We can be overpopulated for our current systems to sustain because we use our resources so poorly. But I consider the term overpopulation, as in too many people on earth, to be contrary to gospel doctrine. The "know it all" scientists preach "There's a strong correlation between the risk of pandemic and human population density. We've done the math and we've proved it," said Peter Daszak, a disease ecologist. But you are absolutely right, the false doctrine of overpopulation is contrary to the gospel. Population increase is nothing to worry about. Thank You JLHPROF.
JLHPROF Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: The "know it all" scientists preach "There's a strong correlation between the risk of pandemic and human population density. We've done the math and we've proved it," said Peter Daszak, a disease ecologist. But you are absolutely right, the false doctrine of overpopulation is contrary to the gospel. Population increase is nothing to worry about. Thank You JLHPROF. Things are very black and white for you aren't they. Both can be true. 2
longview Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 11 hours ago, Gray said: Tell me more. Where do chemtrails fit in? A special kind of narcotic to turn the general populace into snowflakes and become more accepting of the welfare state. Only way to resist the this drug haze is to be perpetually angry. Of course conservatives and Trump-voters have plenty to by angry about!
kiwi57 Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, longview said: A special kind of narcotic to turn the general populace into snowflakes and become more accepting of the welfare state. Only way to resist the this drug haze is to be perpetually angry. That explains a good deal. It's also very sad. 8 minutes ago, longview said: Of course conservatives and Trump-voters have plenty to by angry about! You're getting political.
Gray Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, longview said: A special kind of narcotic to turn the general populace into snowflakes and become more accepting of the welfare state. Only way to resist the this drug haze is to be perpetually angry. Of course conservatives and Trump-voters have plenty to by angry about! I'm sure if you run out of things to be angry about, Fox Dezinformatsiya and DezaWars will invent new things for you to rile you up. Edited February 10, 2018 by Gray
kiwi57 Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 8 hours ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: The "know it all" scientists preach "There's a strong correlation between the risk of pandemic and human population density. We've done the math and we've proved it," said Peter Daszak, a disease ecologist. But you are absolutely right, the false doctrine of overpopulation is contrary to the gospel. Population increase is nothing to worry about. Thank You JLHPROF. Human population density and global overpopulation are two quite distinct ideas. Human population can be very dense in one area, and very sparse in others. But diseases can appear in one of the dense areas, and with modern means of travel, they can spread from population centre to population centre. That is how local disease outbreaks turn into pandemics. Which do happen. 1
SamuelTheLamanite Posted February 10, 2018 Author Posted February 10, 2018 19 minutes ago, kiwi57 said: Human population density and global overpopulation are two quite distinct ideas. Human population can be very dense in one area, and very sparse in others. With a larger global population you would expect more dense areas
The Nehor Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 12 hours ago, JLHPROF said: I don't believe in overpopulation. I do believe in mismanagement of resources. We can be overpopulated for our current systems to sustain because we use our resources so poorly. But I consider the term overpopulation, as in too many people on earth, to be contrary to gospel doctrine. I believe overpopulation is theoretically possible. Eventually you do run out of resources once you get the population high enough. I just do not believe we are anywhere near that point nor do I think we ever will. 12 hours ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: The "know it all" scientists preach "There's a strong correlation between the risk of pandemic and human population density. We've done the math and we've proved it," said Peter Daszak, a disease ecologist. But you are absolutely right, the false doctrine of overpopulation is contrary to the gospel. Population increase is nothing to worry about. Thank You JLHPROF. There is such a correlation. That does not mean we shrink the population but it is something we cope with. Not letting concerns cause you to limit family size does not mean pretending that the consequences of a denser population should be ignored. 2
The Nehor Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 15 hours ago, longview said: A conspiracy of the Abominable Church of the Devil working strenuously to enslave all mankind to become drones to the super state. Only then can Lucifer implement his plan that he presented at the Grand Council in the pre-existence. Which is to "GUARANTEE" salvation for ALL spirit children. WAIT! Doesn't that sound like communism and/or socialism? No. Plus the devil’s original plan is defunct anyways. He cannot do it. He wanted to try to control us directly but God shot him down and now he has a new plan that is not restricted by government type or economic system. It is all in the Temple. The divine and diabolic status some LDS assign to political and economic systems sometimes seems to border on and even cross the line into idolatry.
MiserereNobis Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 7 hours ago, The Nehor said: Plus the devil’s original plan is defunct anyways. He cannot do it. He wanted to try to control us directly but God shot him down I don't mean to derail but I have a quick question. I suppose we can start a new thread if people want to talk more about it. I've heard about this is LDS cosmology (or whatever you want to call it) so my question is: in Mormonism, could God have gone with Lucifer and taken away humans' free will? It seems related to the justice/mercy thread. Would God have ceased being God if He had not given humans free will? In other words, was Lucifer's plan even possible in LDS theology?
JLHPROF Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, MiserereNobis said: I don't mean to derail but I have a quick question. I suppose we can start a new thread if people want to talk more about it. I've heard about this is LDS cosmology (or whatever you want to call it) so my question is: in Mormonism, could God have gone with Lucifer and taken away humans' free will? It seems related to the justice/mercy thread. Would God have ceased being God if He had not given humans free will? In other words, was Lucifer's plan even possible in LDS theology? No. Removal of principles of agency violates principles of eternal law. And to fail to follow the laws that made him God would cause God to lose his authority.
The Nehor Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 4 hours ago, MiserereNobis said: I don't mean to derail but I have a quick question. I suppose we can start a new thread if people want to talk more about it. I've heard about this is LDS cosmology (or whatever you want to call it) so my question is: in Mormonism, could God have gone with Lucifer and taken away humans' free will? It seems related to the justice/mercy thread. Would God have ceased being God if He had not given humans free will? In other words, was Lucifer's plan even possible in LDS theology? I don't like to get into questions of what God cannot do. I do believe God would not and I believe if (somehow) Lucifer's plan was implemented that it would not exalt anyone. Possibly heretically I also sometimes wonder if the idea of Lucifer's plan being entirely compulsion in terms of control is accurate. I suspect the plan was more to punish immediately anyone who tried to sin until they are trained to obey but I could very easily be wrong there.
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