Some Leaks are Good

[HappyJackWagon]

I know many here think that all of the leaks are an attempt to embarrass the church. I've had a different view and I want to share a recent example of a document that I think reflects positively on the church.

This document is an agenda from a Utah Area Council Meeting on 1/13/17

From the agenda...

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Progress on the Prophetic Priorities Discussed at Last Meeting

 

1. Family History program is being used to strengthen the rising generation.

2. Ward and stake focused missionary work is being implemented.

3. Sacrament meetings are focusing more on the Savior.

4. Leaders and missionaries are teaching repentance with love.

5. Six-week program to strengthen returned missionaries.

https://mormonleaks.io/wiki/documents/e/e9/Utah_Areas_Area_Council_Meeting-2017-01-13.pdf

I took special interest in items 3-5 where they are discussing the need and implementation of more 3-Christ centered focus in Sacrament meetings, 4-teaching repentance with love and 5- striving to strengthen returned missionaries. I've perceived all of these things to be a need so it is nice to see church authorities focused on it.

That's just a small sample but the entire meeting seems to be very loving with the desire to lift and build others, especially stake presidents who may be struggling. I think this is great but it doesn't surprise me. With rare exception I've always been impressed by the good intentions of church leaders.

[rongo]

These are really recent leaks. Maybe the Church has gotten wise to the leakers, and is leaking misinformation in a propaganda campaign.  

(I'm kidding, of course). 

[clarkgoble]

19 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said:

I know many here think that all of the leaks are an attempt to embarrass the church. I've had a different view and I want to share a recent example of a document that I think reflects positively on the church.

I think the view is more that they'd like embarrassing stuff but just haven't been finding it.

[juliann]

53 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said:

I know many here think that all of the leaks are an attempt to embarrass the church. I've had a different view and I want to share a recent example of a document that I think reflects positively on the church.

 

I would say it is a desire to destroy the church not embarrass it, that is just a happy by product. So far the only one destroyed has been one of the suppliers who got caught because the leakers didn't remove all of the identifying numbers that could trace it's origin. 

To date, it seems like more like Salamander Letter part 2.  Lot's of wishin' and hopin'.   They need a GA  to break ranks or something. 

[churchistrue]

I liked the leak on the conference schedule.  I thought that was nice knowing who was going to talk in each session.

[Duncan]

I liked the leak about the video about the Atonement of Jesus Christ

[Darren10]

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Some Leaks are Good

I am very tempted to say, "right you are. I'm going to go take on right now!" But, out of decency, I won't even mention it.

[Darren10]

4 hours ago, rongo said:

These are really recent leaks. Maybe the Church has gotten wise to the leakers, and is leaking misinformation in a propaganda campaign.  

(I'm kidding, of course). 

Heh!

[Ahab]

Leak has a negative ring to it, I think.

A more positive term would be better.

[Tacenda]

3 hours ago, Duncan said:

I liked the leak about the video about the Atonement of Jesus Christ

I didn't see that, but I remember the one about helping the immigrants, I thought of my son-in-law who is from Mexico, and I've always appreciated the church's views about them being here illegally but very loving toward them. Unlike a few that would like to deport them all. 

[Robert F. Smith]

6 hours ago, rongo said:

These are really recent leaks. Maybe the Church has gotten wise to the leakers, and is leaking misinformation in a propaganda campaign.  

(I'm kidding, of course). 

That's called дезинформация in Russian.

[Tacenda]

Deleted, couldn't find the information on Mormon Leaks that I thought was there.

Edited April 5, 2017 by Tacenda

[The Nehor]

Love the leak content, hate the leaker.

[HappyJackWagon]

8 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Love the leak content, hate the leaker.

So you love the sin but hate the sinner?  

[hope_for_things]

19 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said:

I know many here think that all of the leaks are an attempt to embarrass the church. I've had a different view and I want to share a recent example of a document that I think reflects positively on the church.

This document is an agenda from a Utah Area Council Meeting on 1/13/17

From the agenda...

I took special interest in items 3-5 where they are discussing the need and implementation of more 3-Christ centered focus in Sacrament meetings, 4-teaching repentance with love and 5- striving to strengthen returned missionaries. I've perceived all of these things to be a need so it is nice to see church authorities focused on it.

That's just a small sample but the entire meeting seems to be very loving with the desire to lift and build others, especially stake presidents who may be struggling. I think this is great but it doesn't surprise me. With rare exception I've always been impressed by the good intentions of church leaders.

Thanks, this is a good sign I agree.  For #3 and #4 those are common complaints from progressive Mormons, so I'm chalking those up as small victories!! 

[The Nehor]

On 4/5/2017 at 8:10 AM, HappyJackWagon said:

So you love the sin but hate the sinner?  

Only for some of the best sins,

[Marginal Gains]

I'd prefer it if Mormon Leaks amended their protocol to something around Mormon Whistle Blowing.

I cannot see, for example, why the Church chooses to keep it's financial records a secret. Surely members seeing how the finances are disbursed would confirm they are being spent wisely and in a manner which members would approve, right? I'd like to see the financials leaked.

[Calm]

It is only Whistle Blowing when something has been done wrong.  Simply sharing private documents that do not demonstrate this doesn't qualify.

Edited April 7, 2017 by Calm

[The Nehor]

13 hours ago, Marginal Gains said:

I'd prefer it if Mormon Leaks amended their protocol to something around Mormon Whistle Blowing.

I cannot see, for example, why the Church chooses to keep it's financial records a secret. Surely members seeing how the finances are disbursed would confirm they are being spent wisely and in a manner which members would approve, right? I'd like to see the financials leaked.

Yes, because most people could read over the Church financial statement and scrutinize it and understand what is wise. Also, there is no one out there that could take some part of a disclosure, spin it to make it look bad and fool the ignorant and gullible, and then part of retaining members will be keeping our financial disclosure apologetics up to date.

It would not be a big problem but it would be a problem.

I deal with the same situation at work. The results of our tests can end up in front of a jury. Even when our tests are completely good using certain verbiage a cunning lawyer can spin it as unreliable witchcraft. Any expert in the field would laugh at them but, for better or worse, we are not trying to convince experts. Thus, we keep our explanations simple when possible to match what they can probably comprehend and try to hide certain aspects that are totally innocent but may serve to increase doubt because of how they may look to a layman.

Edited April 7, 2017 by The Nehor