LDS Church will send 2 Apostles to the Inauguration

[Calm]

7 hours ago, halconero said:

Sigh...people need to stop with the "but Hillary!" argument. It's getting old. Yes, the DNC needs to look inwardly. That doesn't really have any bearing on the current reality that your current President-elect is in approval rating free fall at the moment and embroiled in several scandals, conflicts of interest issues, and other concerns which are hurting him more than any president-elect before him.

Sometimes I wish we did the whole no confidence vote, have a new election to put a new government in version rather than the set every four years.

[Rain]

55 minutes ago, strappinglad said:

I was instructed many years ago as an educator that I must always remember that as the students entered the classroom at the first of the year , that I got what I got ! My job was to take each student and do my best to improve their level of education as best I could. Well, the American people got what they got. They can spend the next 4 years complaining and nitpicking or they can work to take what they got and make of it the best they can. If that means praying for a bad case of laryngitis and arthritic thumbs ...

I have no rep points left. So here is a verbal one.

It's good advice, especially since who the president is rarely affects me that much anyway. 

[halconero]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

Which would seem to suggest that people weren't voting for him, but against Clinton.

And I can understand the reasoning...because I don't understand voting for the man. Put aside all economic, foreign or other domestic policies and concentrate on those good ole "conservative family values." Here you have a man who:

- has been thrice married and who brags about sexually assaulting women

- has suggested he would date his own daughter if he could

- was in favour of abortion and considered pregnant women inconveniences until he started running

- who has appeared in pornographic films done by Playboy

Add in all the other stuff and you get a mix of war crimes, constitutional infringements, etc, but sticking just with the values part and I can't imagine being in favour of any of those.

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

Which would seem to suggest that people weren't voting for him, but against Clinton.

Pretty much what happened. If either party had fielded a halfway decent candidate (Romney, Kasich, Biden, Sanders) they would have won by a landslide almost by default. Instead we got a pair of what should have both been unelectable dud candidates. Trump has the lowest approval rating of a president elect since we have started tracking it and I suspect if Hillary had won she would be facing similar statistics.

[oremites]

3 hours ago, Duncan said:

You sound like Trump

Thank you, Duncan.  That's very kind of you to say so.

 

3 hours ago, Duncan said:

your country not mine!

I apologize for not being more sensitive to your circumstances.  Look on the bright side, though.  Justin Trudeau won't be in office forever!

 

[Calm]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Pretty much what happened. If either party had fielded a halfway decent candidate (Romney, Kasich, Biden, Sanders) they would have won by a landslide almost by default. Instead we got a pair of what should have both been unelectable dud candidates. Trump has the lowest approval rating of a president elect since we have started tracking it and I suspect if Hillary had won she would be facing similar statistics.

But other candidates were available when he got the nomination, same with her.  So why would it be different at election time?

[sunstoned]

11 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

 

Trumps behavior was deplorable and highly unprofessional.

There, fixed that for you.

Edited January 14, 2017 by sunstoned

[Duncan]

5 hours ago, oremites said:

Thank you, Duncan.  That's very kind of you to say so.

 

I apologize for not being more sensitive to your circumstances.  Look on the bright side, though.  Justin Trudeau won't be in office forever!

 

i'm such a sweetie I have no personal beef with anybody here, Trudeau, meh, we'll see what happens!

[Jude2]

21 hours ago, bluebell said:

Her decision remains relevant right now so I disagree.  I do agree that we don't need to judge her, but there is no reason not to discuss a decision that she herself made public.

When you go public with your morals then you invite discussion.  We can certainly remain charitable though.

I wasn't charitable, I was very offended by her and I still get angry. 

[halconero]

8 hours ago, oremites said:

Thank you, Duncan.  That's very kind of you to say so.

 

I apologize for not being more sensitive to your circumstances.  Look on the bright side, though.  Justin Trudeau won't be in office forever!

 

Yeah, given that he has an approval rating of around 40% and dropping fast I expect him to get tossed out come the next election.

Wait, no...that's the PEOTUS...before his inauguration. Trudeau is sitting at 56% in a country with three major political parties and two significant minor ones a year and a half into his mandate.

[BlueDreams]

14 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I don't know what you would expect him to do.
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Funny thing is, they didn't seem to care about it back when they believed the fake news that there was no way Trump could win the election. Now, all of a sudden it's a big issue. Rather transparent hypocrisy, that.
 

Maybe you'll get used to it after a while. It could be observed that Trump is communicating with the medium of [ahem] the millennials.

Trust me, most millennials are not appreciating it. Just the other night I was hanging with my little brother talking about life and we ended up on conversation about Trump becoming president. It started with general disgust that this was happening: then he brought up his irritation that MoTab would be performing (he's active Mormon, only a little.bit off his mission). I semi-defended their position. Still frustrated because we're already painted backwards (Chamberlin was not mentioned, it was MoTab's decision that was frustrating and an embarrassment, to him). Then we bashed on Trump and commiserated the coming four years. Then we watched Nigerian comedy skits.

But seriously, our generation wasn't very likely to vote for the dude (around 34%) and varies wildly with demographics. https://lawstreetmedia.com/blogs/politics-blog/the-millennial-vote-in-2016-and-beyond/ . Tweeting isn't enough to make us happy (besides, I'm not on most social media). Trump is pretty antithetical to most millennial trends (minus anti-establishment bends). 

As for the other points, I expect more from him. Crap, at least give it to a trusted business advisor who you wouldn't be having family dinner with. Of course I also expect someone else. Anyone else. As president. So there's that. I'd like him to be less show oriented and preferably at least a covert narcissist. 

And I don't think it's hypocrisy, I think it was less fleshed out before the election. Reports weren't made as to how, so it was just hinted out. I don't think it was fake news, just general expectations...from everybody...including half of trump supporters. It's not fake just because they expected wrong.

 

With luv, 

BD

 

[ERayR]

16 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Um, there is nothing unique about the Tabernacle Choir performing at an inauguration either. They are just doing their job, as you say the apostles are who are going there.

For the umpteenth time, what is objectionable about Jan Chamberlin's behavior is not standing up for what she believes in but making a public spectacle in doing it, subjecting the Church and the choir to rampant hatred.

Something comes to mind like "fifteen minutes of fame".  It is hard to resist.

[ERayR]

16 hours ago, Duncan said:

the US President is accountable to the news people or am I mistaken?

Only if the news people demonstrate ethical behavior and impartiality.  Presidents are not obliged to be whipping boys for egotistical jerks.

[ERayR]

15 hours ago, Duncan said:

it's because there was and still and will be a billion scandals Trump is involved in that in literally any other country he would have been thrown out off (I hope he gets thrown out without any violence) but how he got this far is beyond any comprehension. He thought it was rigged until he won................Hypocrisy is second nature to Trump and why the Church is getting dragged into it I don't know

 

It is beyond comprehension, to me, how someone can write something like this and totally ignore the criminal corruption exhibited by Hillary Clinton.  If Trump had not won we would now have her.  The very least you could say is "so sorry for you, you really had no other choice".

[ERayR]

15 hours ago, Duncan said:

I am happy he gave it to them!!!! that's the issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trump can do whatever he wants and probably will but why attach the Church's name to all this? That Americans aren't terribly welcome in other countries isn't a new concept, it's sad but it's how it is. Try wearing an American flag outside in the world, it's sad but you won't get a good reception. There's appropriate bashing of Pres. Bush?!

Because the Church is part of this whole thing.  By acknowledging and witnessing that Trump is the leader of the country and modeling an example of the peaceful transition of power.  The way the sore losers do it is likely to result in civil war.

[ERayR]

15 hours ago, Duncan said:

and Trump et al will suffer the consequences in the news. If Trump had half a brain he'd just answer the question but Trump doesn't know how to do that.

Why the vitriol Duncan?  I am quite sure that Mr. Trump knows how to handle bullies and it is not giving them what they want.

[thesometimesaint]

20 hours ago, ERayR said:

Whether you like it or not the Church must work within governmental approval and they do send Apostles to confer with government leaders around the world.

My son had to have the Zimbabwean governments' approval to preach the Restored Gospel there. Not sure if the Church sent two Apostles to Mugabe's inauguration ceremony?

Edited January 14, 2017 by thesometimesaint

[ERayR]

15 hours ago, Sky said:

demonstrated that he is trying to unite all of the country together and repair the hurt and divisions that he alone has caused.  He has not shown that he is ready or willing to be the president of all of us!  

You are wrong about the hurt and division.  That can be laid squarely at the feet of Barrack Obama.

[Duncan]

Just now, ERayR said:

Why the vitriol Duncan?  I am quite sure that Mr. Trump knows how to handle bullies and it is not giving them what they want.

he goes on a twitter rant like and acts like a 6yr old. If he can't handle SNL, prepare for a bump ride

[Duncan]

Just now, ERayR said:

Because the Church is part of this whole thing.  By acknowledging and witnessing that Trump is the leader of the country and modeling an example of the peaceful transition of power.  The way the sore losers do it is likely to result in civil war.

I thought we were politically neutral, what does that mean even anymore?

[Duncan]

Just now, ERayR said:

It is beyond comprehension, to me, how someone can write something like this and totally ignore the criminal corruption exhibited by Hillary Clinton.  If Trump had not won we would now have her.  The very least you could say is "so sorry for you, you really had no other choice".

You had lots of choices, Rubio, Cruz, et al but Don the Con somehow bullied them into submission

[Duncan]

Just now, ERayR said:

Only if the news people demonstrate ethical behavior and impartiality.  Presidents are not obliged to be whipping boys for egotistical jerks.

if he would have answered the question then there would have been no problem, Trump blames everybody else but himself. Good luck with all that my friend! and I mean it, I honestly wish you good things to come

[thesometimesaint]

21 minutes ago, ERayR said:

You are wrong about the hurt and division.  That can be laid squarely at the feet of Barrack Obama.

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