Scott Lloyd Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 2 hours ago, TweetyKim said: I was baptized in 1977 and always heard 1) that your tithing contribution is between you and the Lord, but 2) it should be on gross income for that is your total 'increase.' To me it stands to reason that if you tithe on gross then your refund is already money that has been tithed on, however if you tithe on net income then you should tithe on any refund. Social Security should be tithed on (in my humble opinion) because you are receiving more in benefit than you put in over the years. I receive SSD and I tithe on that. In the end though I revert to my original statement...it is between you and the Lord. Yes. Also, the employer pays into the Social Security trust fund on the employee’s behalf. So the disbursement the employee receives from Social Security is not entirely money he has contributed.
Meerkat Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 “Always let your conscience be your guide!” "What's a conscience! I'll tell ya! A conscience is that still small voice that people won't listen to. That's just the trouble with the world today... " Jiminy Cricket 2
bsjkki Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 I think everyone’s situation is very unique. I used to be a “gross” payer but now I pay on the money as I “see” it. Our situation changed so it’s impossible to pay tithing with money we don’t see or control. We would go into to debt to pay. I feel better about paying on social security and retirement funds when they are used and think it will be a more accurate accounting in the long run. There are taxpayers that even if you pay on your gross, your tax return should still be tithed on. There are people who get thousands of dollars back that they did not pay but then, how do you pay “tithing” on food stamps or Medicaid...it gets complicated and I think tithing should be simple. I pay on the cash as I get it. 2
Tacenda Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 Back in the day we paid on gross and I wouldn't pay on tax return. And then we paid on net for awhile and I paid on our tax return. If I'm remembering right.
Gray Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 On 3/22/2016 at 11:46 PM, VideoGameJunkie said: It's tax refund season and if we are lucky we will get a nice sum of money back. My question is do we have to pay tithing on what we get back? We had to pay money back rather than getting a refund. Can we deduct 10% of that from our tithing? 😛 1
Scott Lloyd Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 45 minutes ago, Gray said: We had to pay money back rather than getting a refund. Can we deduct 10% of that from our tithing? 😛 That just means you didn’t have enough withheld from your paycheck to meet the expense. But you knew that already.
The Nehor Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 49 minutes ago, Gray said: We had to pay money back rather than getting a refund. Can we deduct 10% of that from our tithing? 😛 If you pay on net......yes. (Insert usual provisos about how no one can definitively tell others how and what to pay and you should counsel with the Lord)
Bernard Gui Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 On 3/23/2016 at 10:38 AM, Jeanne said: Kind of a PS on my comment above. Instead of paying tithing on refund...why not donate to something that you really care about that is outside the realm of the LDS Church. Why can’t you do both? 1
Bernard Gui Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) On 3/25/2016 at 11:04 AM, mtomm said: Says someone with a whole lotta privilege. Bill didn't come from a poor family and had all sorts of advantages that made his success possible. I admire what he does with his money and don't resent him his success but this is too a broad statement to say about others. One does not have to be as rich as Mr. Gates to not be poor. Even with his “privilege” he achieved all he has done with his own genius, talent, vision, and hard work, as do we all. “Privilege” had nothing to do with it. While not a tithe payer, he is generous in charity. Edited April 16, 2019 by Bernard Gui 1
Scott Lloyd Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 27 minutes ago, The Nehor said: If you pay on net......yes. (Insert usual provisos about how no one can definitively tell others how and what to pay and you should counsel with the Lord) I disagree. The money one owes in taxes for a given year is a fixed expense whether the entire amount is paid upfront or whether one must make up a shortage later on. Paying on net has nothing to do with it. That would be like holding out what one pays in tithing because of an unexpected increase in the cost of milk one pays at the grocery store.
Jeanne Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: Why can’t you do both? Are you rich???😊 I am sure many donate a certain tithes to many causes. My point is, it matters to God just the same no matter what. Other important causes does not affect one's temple worthiness or salvation.
The Nehor Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: I disagree. The money one owes in taxes for a given year is a fixed expense whether the entire amount is paid upfront or whether one must make up a shortage later on. Paying on net has nothing to do with it. That would be like holding out what one pays in tithing because of an unexpected increase in the cost of milk one pays at the grocery store. Yeah, but if I pay on net and tax money is not part of it and I pay more at the end that means I am using tithed money to cover non-tithed fixed expenses. Come to think of it should I be giving myself a discount due to property taxes?
bsjkki Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Yeah, but if I pay on net and tax money is not part of it and I pay more at the end that means I am using tithed money to cover non-tithed fixed expenses. Come to think of it should I be giving myself a discount due to property taxes? When you start getting too technical and into the weeds I think the whole spirit of tithing fails. It gets too crazy. We pay a lot more in taxes than what is taken out during payroll so those who pay “net” are not really paying “net” unless they are deducting sales and other property taxes. We bought a new truck this year and I payed more than $4000 in sales and registration fees. Many young people I talk to don’t ever see pay stubs anymore. It’s all online. Keep it simple, keep the spirit of the law. Don’t overwhelm with technicalities. Edited April 16, 2019 by bsjkki 2
The Nehor Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, bsjkki said: When you start getting too technical and into the weeds I think the whole spirit of tithing fails. It gets too crazy. We pay a lot more in taxes than what is taken out during payroll so those who pay “net” are not really paying “net” unless they are deducting sales and other property taxes. We bought a new truck this year and I payed more than $4000 in sales and registration fees. Many young people I talk to don’t ever see pay stubs anymore. It’s all online. Keep it simple, keep the spirit of the law. Don’t overwhelm with technicalities. I was kidding.....mostly. Worth a quick prayer to check though.
Scott Lloyd Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: Yeah, but if I pay on net and tax money is not part of it and I pay more at the end that means I am using tithed money to cover non-tithed fixed expenses. Come to think of it should I be giving myself a discount due to property taxes? Got it. Things get complicated quickly when you start getting stingy with the Lord. Convinces me more than ever that paying on the gross is the best policy. (And don’t anybody start with me about tithing being a personal and individual matter. I’m entitled to have and express an opinion.)
Popular Post The Nehor Posted April 16, 2019 Popular Post Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: Got it. Things get complicated quickly when you start getting stingy with the Lord. Convinces me more than ever that paying on the gross is the best policy. (And don’t anybody start with me about tithing being a personal and individual matter. I’m entitled to have and express an opinion.) I do not judge. I paid on gross most of my life and believed it was the best way. One day I was praying about financial struggles and basically got the instruction to pay on net. I was shocked. Every so often I check in to make sure it is still okay. WARNING: If anyone uses what I said here as an excuse to pay tithing a certain way that revelation for me alone and I am not responsible for you being consumed at the Second Coming for coopting what I was told. Get your own revelation you lazy layabouts!!!! 8
bsjkki Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: I do not judge. I paid on gross most of my life and believed it was the best way. One day I was praying about financial struggles and basically got the instruction to pay on net. I was shocked. Every so often I check in to make sure it is still okay. WARNING: If anyone uses what I said here as an excuse to pay tithing a certain way that revelation for me alone and I am not responsible for you being consumed at the Second Coming for coopting what I was told. Get your own revelation you lazy layabouts!!!! That happened to me. Always payed on gross but then circumstances changed and I prayed about it and got the same answer you did. But, I also got the answer to pay on gross and received innumerable blessings for it at the time. It is very important to pray and receive your own revelation. And, then feel confident in what the Lord tells you to do. 3
Popular Post mfbukowski Posted April 16, 2019 Popular Post Posted April 16, 2019 On 3/22/2016 at 9:46 PM, VideoGameJunkie said: It's tax refund season and if we are lucky we will get a nice sum of money back. My question is do we have to pay tithing on what we get back? Why ask here? It's between you and God. Nobody here is God, I would think he would be the One to ask. 5
mfbukowski Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Got it. Things get complicated quickly when you start getting stingy with the Lord. Convinces me more than ever that paying on the gross is the best policy. (And don’t anybody start with me about tithing being a personal and individual matter. I’m entitled to have and express an opinion.) In other words, it is a personal and individual matter and that is your interpretation and of course you are entitled to express your personal and individual opinion, as we all do here. 1
bsjkki Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 44 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: Why ask here? It's between you and God. Nobody here is God, I would think he would be the One to ask. I understand why people ask. It’s part of the information gathering process. Ask questions, gain insights and information. Ponder on all you learn and then ask God what is right for you. 2
Tacenda Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 I read a story recently of an individual that went church shopping. They said that a plate was passed and then they were told if they'd like to donate great and if they need a hand take some! Haha, how cool is that? Wow, this is an old thread, I haven't seen VideoGameJunkie the OP, for a long time, I wonder how he's doing!!
Calm Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, mfbukowski said: Why ask here? It's between you and God. Nobody here is God, I would think he would be the One to ask. Just a note, videogamejunkie asked this back in 2016. Hopefully he figured out what he wanted to do and is not still worrying about it. Apparently threads never get locked unless intentionally anymore. 1
Calm Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, bsjkki said: I understand why people ask. It’s part of the information gathering process. Ask questions, gain insights and information. Ponder on all you learn and then ask God what is right for you. The Church is a faith community and we are meant to support and sustain each other. Talking about concerns with friends may help us process our thoughts and narrow them to what we really want to ask God about, making that appeal both more effective and satisfying hopefully. 2
mfbukowski Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, Calm said: Just a note, videogamejunkie asked this back in 2016. Hopefully he figured out what he wanted to do and is not still worrying about it. Apparently threads never get locked unless intentionally anymore. Ohnigosh I never looked at the date.
Calm Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: Ohnigosh I never looked at the date. I didn't register it either (monthwise not that long ago) until I noticed his name as he hasn't been around for awhile.
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