saemo Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: The quicker to become a nation of men and not law. Less than if you let the convicted criminal decide. I'm first for the judge and jury deciding, but if we're going to go down the road of letting someone else decide, I'm in favor for the victim or victim's family having the say over the convicted criminal. Mercy for the criminal is then in their hands, rather than in the criminal deciding which is more merciful for them selves. Or, meting out there own punishment. Oh, I'm also against the death penalty, except in cases where a society has no other means in which to protect itself from the convicted criminal. Life without parole functions well enough for that purpose. Edited February 24, 2016 by saemo
The Nehor Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 11 hours ago, Sleeper Cell said: Don’t you think it is possible that the cheering was a response to the opposition to the death penalty rather than a Madame Defarge moment? Have you ever heard of a jury that has just imposed or recommended the imposition of a death sentence giving high fives to each other as they left the courtroom? Even a jury of Republicans? I believe it was both. I don't think jurors high-five in general. While Republicans may more strongly support the death penalty I have seen no reason to believe Democrats are less inclined to wish violence on others or desire revenge. They just tend to hide it better.
The Nehor Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 12 hours ago, saemo said: I think the victim or victim's family should decide. Haven't they suffered enough? You want to add the knowledge that they chose someone's death to their burden? 2
The Nehor Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 On 2/21/2016 at 3:22 PM, Teancum said: I am in favor of life. I vehemently oppose abortion and I oppose capital punishment. However for an offender that commits a crime that could warrant capital punishment I am fine with life long incarceration with no parole. The person would also deserve solitary confinement with maybe only an hour or two a day outside their prison cell. Death would be more merciful. Solitary confinement is torture.
saemo Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Haven't they suffered enough? You want to add the knowledge that they chose someone's death to their burden? I believe this is hypothetical, no? I want judges and juries to decide. Someone, hypothetically, said they think that criminal should decide. In that hypothetical world in which I don't believe for a moment will ever exist, I, hypothetically, said it would be preferable for the victim's family to decide. You, hypothetically assume that all would choose the death penalty? But so you are aware, I don't agree with your premise that punishment for crimes is something done in a vacuum, over there somewhere, where we are all safely shielded from responsibility. Edited February 24, 2016 by saemo
thesometimesaint Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 7 hours ago, saemo said: Less than if you let the convicted criminal decide. I'm first for the judge and jury deciding, but if we're going to go down the road of letting someone else decide, I'm in favor for the victim or victim's family having the say over the convicted criminal. Mercy for the criminal is then in their hands, rather than in the criminal deciding which is more merciful for them selves. Or, meting out there own punishment. Oh, I'm also against the death penalty, except in cases where a society has no other means in which to protect itself from the convicted criminal. Life without parole functions well enough for that purpose. I never said let the convict decide. What we do to them says more about us than it does about them. Say we have one family member who wants them to have a torturous death, and the other wants a long prison sentence. Which one decides? Personally I think the law should decide. LWOP would be preferable to Capital Punishment, but still not the best solution.
The Nehor Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 10 hours ago, saemo said: I believe this is hypothetical, no? I want judges and juries to decide. Someone, hypothetically, said they think that criminal should decide. In that hypothetical world in which I don't believe for a moment will ever exist, I, hypothetically, said it would be preferable for the victim's family to decide. You, hypothetically assume that all would choose the death penalty? But so you are aware, I don't agree with your premise that punishment for crimes is something done in a vacuum, over there somewhere, where we are all safely shielded from responsibility. This premise you do not share with this strawman of me you made up......yeah, I do not share it either.
saemo Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 5 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: I never said let the convict decide. What we do to them says more about us than it does about them. Say we have one family member who wants them to have a torturous death, and the other wants a long prison sentence. Which one decides? Personally I think the law should decide. LWOP would be preferable to Capital Punishment, but still not the best solution. 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: This premise you do not share with this strawman of me you made up......yeah, I do not share it either. Apparently I'm the only one following the thread.
Anijen Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 Just saw this floating around on Facebook; Quote The Constitution should contain a provision that every officer of the Government who should neglect or refuse to extend the protection guaranteed in the Constitution should be subject to capital punishment; and then the president of the United States would not say, “Your cause is just, but I can do nothing for you.” ~Joseph Smith, while running for President. 1
TheSkepticChristian Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) On 2/18/2016 at 10:17 AM, strappinglad said: "It is better that they have a stone tied around their neck and drowned in the sea." Of course that is just a permissive liberal speaking, right? Capital punishment for him? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWVwJyGryW4 Edited February 25, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
rodheadlee Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 A guy hijacks a car with a mother and daughter in it. He puts them in the trunk. When he gets done with the car, he lights the car on fire and walks away. Yeah I believe in capital punishment. When the evidence is undeniable. This happened many years ago and I have never forgotten it. Fry him, shoot him, hang him. I'm good with it.
thesometimesaint Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 22 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: A guy hijacks a car with a mother and daughter in it. He puts them in the trunk. When he gets done with the car, he lights the car on fire and walks away. Yeah I believe in capital punishment. When the evidence is undeniable. This happened many years ago and I have never forgotten it. Fry him, shoot him, hang him. I'm good with it. That says more about you than it does about him.
rodheadlee Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 11 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said: That says more about you than it does about him. I'm ok with that. 1
thesometimesaint Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: I'm ok with that. John 8:7King James Version (KJV) 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
The Nehor Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 4 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: John 8:7King James Version (KJV) 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. I think there is a slight difference between trying to enforce an obsolete law on a woman to publicly humiliate a preacher and depraved murder. 2
Anijen Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 5 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: That says more about you than it does about him. I found this remark to be on the distasteful side, and a bit judgmental. A guy burns his wife and daughter alive (depraved heart murder) and you equate it to rodheadlee because he thinks the death penalty is good for this guy. I agree with him. I admit that I am against the death penalty, but only because of the chances of an innocent being convicted. However, when it is proven 100% and there is no sliver of doubt and if the crime is sever (like this one was), I am okay with it.
JLHPROF Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 6 hours ago, rodheadlee said: A guy hijacks a car with a mother and daughter in it. He puts them in the trunk. When he gets done with the car, he lights the car on fire and walks away. Yeah I believe in capital punishment. When the evidence is undeniable. This happened many years ago and I have never forgotten it. Fry him, shoot him, hang him. I'm good with it. I believe in capital punishment and so does God. I think I'm in good company from a moral standpoint.
TheSkepticChristian Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: I believe in capital punishment and so does God. I think I'm in good company from a moral standpoint. for him too?
The Nehor Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 1 hour ago, JLHPROF said: I believe in capital punishment and so does God. I think I'm in good company from a moral standpoint. That is a far cry from proof that the United States government should have that power. God also supports wiping out the wicked with mass floods and other disasters. I doubt that means I should go and do likewise. 1
JLHPROF Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 6 hours ago, The Nehor said: That is a far cry from proof that the United States government should have that power. God also supports wiping out the wicked with mass floods and other disasters. I doubt that means I should go and do likewise. Agreed (mostly).
thesometimesaint Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 If God wants me dead there isn't much I can do about that. It is when mortals want me dead that the problems occur.
strappinglad Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 On 2/25/2016 at 3:19 PM, TheSkepticChristian said: for him too? In the lumber business there are at least two kinds of fiber board , MDF which is medium density fiberboard and HDF which is high density fiberboard . HDF is more dense than MDF.
carbon dioxide Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 On 2/20/2016 at 10:44 AM, thesometimesaint said: S\o your desire for vengeance will bring back your kids? One man's vengeance is another man's justice.
carbon dioxide Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 On 2/22/2016 at 8:28 PM, Teancum said: Yea so what. Do you stone sabbath day breakers? The punishment should fit the crime. Nobody is harmed by not keeping the sabbath except their own spiritual walk. Taking an innocent life is another matter.
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