Sleeper Cell Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 I turned down being an apostle. I'm only 30 so that would have guaranteed if I live long enough I'd become prophet and I do not want that responsibility.The crucial phrase being: “if I live long enough.” If I were a 30 year old member of the 12 and convinced that the Lord did not ever want me to become prophet, I would strongly support the concept of granting emeritus status to apostles at the discretion of the prophet. Beats the alternative.
Damien the Leper Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 Those are more buzz words for things you dont like than an actual definitionThey are contributing factors in the downfall of society.
Damien the Leper Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Duplicate Edited October 4, 2015 by Valentinus
The Nehor Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) BTW, in some ways, 19th century high school graduates seem to be better educated than many 21st century college graduates. For example, the Civil War letters written by one of my ancestors -- a 15 year old high school dropout -- are much better than the writings of many of the college graduates I know. This is a pretty prevalent thing. If you pick up an 18th or 19th century primer on writing or reading for beginners most of them are written on what today would be a college level. With the advent of texting though I expect an increase in general literacy. Edited October 4, 2015 by The Nehor
Sleeper Cell Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Trickle down economics, civil liberties suppression, class warfare, profit over people, nation building, etc.ETA: Theocracy (all forms are an enemy of the State) and imperialism.Isn’t your very use of such phrases as “profits over people” engaging in class warfare, thus contributing to the very “social destruction” you decry? Theocracy in all forms? Does this include the United Order and other attempts to live the Law of Consecration? What about those who pray: “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, 0n earth as it is in heaven?” Are they enemies of the state? Are they contributing to “social destruction?” BTW, in my opinion, bureaucracy is a far greater threat to liberty (and contributes far more to social destruction) in 21st century America than theocracy. Edited October 4, 2015 by Sleeper Cell
The Nehor Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 Isn’t your very use of such phrases as “profits over people” engaging in class warfare, thus contributing to the very “social destruction” you decry? "Class warfare" is a political phrase used to shut down any discussion of the growing gap of wealth inequality. We are getting back to 1920s level for the gap. Bad things happen when the gap gets too large. 2
rodheadlee Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) And here I go forgetting that Pres. Hinkley was a journalist. Right down your alley Scott.I hereby recommend our own ' rodheadlee ' for an apostleship. He's a carpenter and a fisherman( sort of ) and would save the Church a fortune in travel costs as he sailed to various climes . Oh yeah,my favorite speech is "hurry up, you're killing me". That would go over real well Edited October 4, 2015 by rodheadlee 1
The Nehor Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 14 of the Q15 are from Utah. Uchtdorf is the one minority.President Eyring was born in New Jersey.Yeah, makes me lose some respect for him too.
Avatar4321 Posted October 4, 2015 Author Posted October 4, 2015 They are contributing factors in the downfall of society.Seems like rejecting the gospel is what brings the downfall of society. 1
Damien the Leper Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 Isn’t your very use of such phrases as “profits over people” engaging in class warfare, thus contributing to the very “social destruction” you decry? Theocracy in all forms? Does this include the United Order and other attempts to live the Law of Consecration? What about those who pray: “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, 0n earth as it is in heaven?” Are they enemies of the state? Are they contributing to “social destruction?” BTW, in my opinion, bureaucracy is a far greater threat to liberty (and contributes far more to social destruction) in 21st century America than theocracy. Yes they are similar.The United Order has no business in government. Keep that in your home's and churches. Don't drag everyone else into an already failed mess. We've got enough messes to deal with.
Damien the Leper Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 Seems like rejecting the gospel is what brings the downfall of society.We live in a secular society in which religion is a subset that likes to sometimes stick its nose where it doesn't belong.
halconero Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 We live in a secular society in which religion is a subset that likes to sometimes stick its nose where it doesn't belong. Eh...I somewhat disagree. I'm a personal adherent to the civic religion and functional theory, with its ceremonies, rituals, priesthood, etc. Without turning it into the boogieman buzzword some Christian teachers might say it is, I actually do believe that secularism is one of the values held within American civic religion, thereby rendering it (ironically) religious itself.
The Nehor Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 We live in a secular society in which religion is a subset that likes to sometimes stick its nose where it doesn't belong.Wanting to live in a world where the religious views of others have no influence whatsoever is lunacy.
CMZ Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 I've heard that President Nelson said the vacancies might not be all filled at this conference. Any truth to this statement? I think the point is that people should realize that "conference time" doesn't mean new apostles have to be called. There's no law that says it has to work that way.
mnn727 Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 With the advent of texting though I expect an increase in general literacy.UR Kidding, rite?
Stargazer Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 Can I just say that I had a Bishop that was blue collar as it gets, he was the janitor at the Church and a beekeeper. He was the WORST Bishop i've ever had. Another guy that was my Bishop for thankfully only a year or so is a baker and he too was terrible as was my Bishop that quit a few months ago-he was a pharmacist. I believe the best leaders are those who work with people and not objects My best bishop ever was an orthodontist. I've thankfully never run into a bishop who I would characterize as the worst ever. None of them were any kind of bad at all. Correcton: one stood out in my mind as not very good. That was me when I was a branch president. I didn't think I was all that good at it, but the branch members seemed to think I did OK. 1
Stargazer Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 The crucial phrase being: “if I live long enough.” If I were a 30 year old member of the 12 and convinced that the Lord did not ever want me to become prophet, I would strongly support the concept of granting emeritus status to apostles at the discretion of the prophet. Beats the alternative. I don't know about that, sleeper. The alternative sounds downright restful. I wouldn't mind all that much.
The Nehor Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 UR Kidding, rite?No, while much of the communication is abbreviated and disjointed in texting, email, and the like people are communicating. Letters might have been better written but there were comparatively few of them. In my parent's generation depending on your career choice you could probably make it through life barely having to write at all. In my generation email took off. In the current generation children and teens are constantly shooting text in various forms to each other and wanting to communicate well. Many of the oldest workers at my job have a problem with email writing because they were not doing it. I do not know anyone in my generation who has that problem. There may be some but there will be fewer. The next generation fewer still.They may not be wearing smoking jackets reading Proust but they read and write well.
Damien the Leper Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 Eh...I somewhat disagree. I'm a personal adherent to the civic religion and functional theory, with its ceremonies, rituals, priesthood, etc. Without turning it into the boogieman buzzword some Christian teachers might say it is, I actually do believe that secularism is one of the values held within American civic religion, thereby rendering it (ironically) religious itself.That's kinda like saying abstinence is a sex position.
Traela Posted October 6, 2015 Posted October 6, 2015 President Eyring was born in New Jersey.Yeah, makes me lose some respect for him too. Well, it was his parents that moved him to Utah, instead of staying in the mission field. So we can't blame him for that lapse in judgment.
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