Might Not Be New Apostles?

[Scott Lloyd]

Maybe this was done on purpose to tick certain people off.

I believe what happened is the Lord made His will known to His prophet who it is He desires to serve Him in this capacity at this time.

[Avatar4321]

Maybe this was done on purpose to tick certain people off.

If God was trying to piss people off it would be Elder Glenn Beck lol

[strappinglad]

Surprise, surprise. Three privileged white guys from Utah. Who would have guessed.

Yup, I was hoping for a working stiff , like a plumber or carpenter or fisherman at least. Was A. Theodore Tuttle the only lowly teacher in the group? Other than David O McKay of course .

Edited October 3, 2015 by strappinglad

[ERayR]

If God was trying to piss people off it would be Elder Glenn Beck lol

 

Some but not all.

[ERayR]

Yup, I was hoping for a working stiff , like a plumber or carpenter or fisherman at least. Was A. Theodore Tuttle the only lowly teacher in the group? Other than David O McKay of course .

 

A large sheep ranch owner maybe.

[JLHPROF]

Yup, I was hoping for a working stiff , like a plumber or carpenter or fisherman at least. Was A. Theodore Tuttle the only lowly teacher in the group? Other than David O McKay of course .

 

Blue collar was replaced by white collar decades ago.  Joseph and Brigham wouldn't qualify these days (and for more reasons than education/vocation).

[Damien the Leper]

The concept of religious freedom incorporates freedom from religion-based oppression.

 

To get some flavor of his attitude on this subject, see my coverage here of his recent BYU Devotional Assembly address.

That was awesome, Scott! I sincerely appreciate the balance.

[Damien the Leper]

Blue collar was replaced by white collar decades ago.  Joseph and Brigham wouldn't qualify these days (and for more reasons than education/vocation).

I vehemently oppose the oligarchy. They contribute to the greatest social destruction as can be evidenced by merely opening a history textbook.

[Scott Lloyd]

Yup, I was hoping for a working stiff , like a plumber or carpenter or fisherman at least. Was A. Theodore Tuttle the only lowly teacher in the group? Other than David O McKay of course .

 

 

Blue collar was replaced by white collar decades ago.  Joseph and Brigham wouldn't qualify these days (and for more reasons than education/vocation).

Any honorable vocation would be acceptable,of course, But whatever that might be, I would expect that he possessed the skills, qualifications and talents that would make him effective in the new calling. Assuming that he did so, it should not be surprising that he has been successful in life prior to his call, irrespective of his chosen line of work.

[Avatar4321]

I vehemently oppose the oligarchy. They contribute to the greatest social destruction as can be evidenced by merely opening a history textbook.

Define social destruction

[Avatar4321]

Yup, I was hoping for a working stiff , like a plumber or carpenter or fisherman at least. Was A. Theodore Tuttle the only lowly teacher in the group? Other than David O McKay of course .

Wasn't president packer a teacher?

[strappinglad]

Wasn't president packer a teacher?

You are correct. I had forgotten. Then again I also forgot the Bro. Tuttle was a GA in the Seventy but not an apostle. He toured my mission.

 

For the record, Pres. Packer was an educator  in the CES and so not in a UNION and hence not technically ' blue' collar. I kid of course.

[Duncan]

Can I just say that I had a Bishop that was blue collar as it gets, he was the janitor at the Church and a beekeeper. He was the WORST Bishop i've ever had. Another guy that was my Bishop for thankfully only a year or so is a baker and he too was terrible as was my Bishop that quit a few months ago-he was a pharmacist. I believe the best leaders are those who work with people and not objects

[Damien the Leper]

Define social destruction

Trickle down economics, civil liberties suppression, class warfare, profit over people, nation building, etc.

ETA: Theocracy (all forms are an enemy of the State) and imperialism.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Valentinus

[JLHPROF]

Can I just say that I had a Bishop that was blue collar as it gets, he was the janitor at the Church and a beekeeper. He was the WORST Bishop i've ever had. Another guy that was my Bishop for thankfully only a year or so is a baker and he too was terrible as was my Bishop that quit a few months ago-he was a pharmacist. I believe the best leaders are those who work with people and not objects

 

And Joseph Smith was a farmer/store owner.  And Brigham Young was a carpenter/glazier.  And Heber C. Kimball was a potter.  John Taylor started as a cooper and later a newspaper editor.  Wilford Woodruff was a farmer.

 

The list goes on and on.

Whom he calls, he qualifies.  Not who is qualified he calls.

[Scott Lloyd]

And Joseph Smith was a farmer/store owner. And Brigham Young was a carpenter/glazier. And Heber C. Kimball was a potter. John Taylor started as a cooper and later a newspaper editor. Wilford Woodruff was a farmer.

The list goes on and on.

Whom he calls, he qualifies. Not who is qualified he calls.

Does the qualifying take place instantly or over a lifetime? Or both?

[carbon dioxide]

Can I just say that I had a Bishop that was blue collar as it gets, he was the janitor at the Church and a beekeeper. He was the WORST Bishop i've ever had. Another guy that was my Bishop for thankfully only a year or so is a baker and he too was terrible as was my Bishop that quit a few months ago-he was a pharmacist. I believe the best leaders are those who work with people and not objects

There is about 0.001% chance I would ever be called as a bishop.  I have enough faith in the Lord that he is intelligent and not stupid.  I am a lab worker and I think with your experience, this would be additional ammo I could use to persuade the extremely low chance that I was ever asked to get out of it.  I think you are right.  I am not a people person and when I do interact with people I try to keep my conversations to a minimum.  I am I am sure i broke records on my mission for the time I spend in interviews with my mission president.  Usually about a minute was all they lasted.

[Sleeper Cell]

Yup, I was hoping for a working stiff , like a plumber or carpenter or fisherman at least. Was A. Theodore Tuttle the only lowly teacher in the group? Other than David O McKay of course .

 

Perhaps had they lived in our day, they too would have gone on to college, like many others from post WW II blue collar and farming families.  Joseph, in particular, seems to have made a serious effort to pursue “higher education” despite not having the opportunity to receive a formal college education.  

 

BTW, in some ways, 19th century high school graduates seem to be better educated than many 21st century college graduates.  For example, the Civil War letters written by one of my ancestors -- a 15 year old high school dropout -- are much better than the writings of many of the college graduates I know. 

Edited October 4, 2015 by Sleeper Cell

[JLHPROF]

Does the qualifying take place instantly or over a lifetime? Or both?

 

Both, obviously.  Plenty of examples of both.

My only point is that their shouldn't need be an educational, vocational, or financial consideration.  Doesn't mean God doesn't like well honed tools, just that he doesn't require them.  And it would be nice to have a simple working man salt of the earth apostle again instead.  Sometimes a little down home approach goes a long way.

[Scott Lloyd]

Both, obviously. Plenty of examples of both.

My only point is that their shouldn't need be an educational, vocational, or financial consideration. Doesn't mean God doesn't like well honed tools, just that he doesn't require them. And it would be nice to have a simple working man salt of the earth apostle again instead. Sometimes a little down home approach goes a long way.

And my only point is that qualifications, talents, spiritual gifts, dedication, etc., matter far more than vocation. Insisting on "a simple working man" doesn't strike me as being much better than demanding he be a CEO or a doctor or an academic or an attorney.

[strappinglad]

And here I go forgetting that Pres. Hinkley was a journalist. Right down your alley Scott.



I hereby recommend our own ' rodheadlee ' for an apostleship. He's a carpenter and a fisherman( sort of ) and would save the Church a fortune in travel costs as he sailed to various climes .

Edited October 4, 2015 by strappinglad

[Avatar4321]

Trickle down economics, civil liberties suppression, class warfare, profit over people, nation building, etc.

ETA: Theocracy (all forms are an enemy of the State) and imperialism.

Those are more buzz words for things you dont like than an actual definition

[Avatar4321]

Oliver Cowdery was a teacher. He was also a lawyer.

Do we consider him blue or white collar and why on earth should that matter?

Seriously do you think professions matter much to the Lord?

[Scott Lloyd]

And here I go forgetting that Pres. Hinkley was a journalist. Right down your alley Scott.

 

And was accepted at Columbia School of Journalism, which even today is the gold standard of academic training in journalism.

 

He would have pursued a career therein, had he not gotten sidetracked into creating what became the forerunner of today's Church Public Affairs Department.

[VideoGameJunkie]

I turned down being an apostle. I'm only 30 so that would have guaranteed if I live long enough I'd become prophet and I do not want that responsibility.