hagoth7 Posted September 16, 2015 Posted September 16, 2015 Sorry, but this is another pet peeve of mine....I suggest simply letting such things slide...They are of no real substance or consequence, IMO. "We read laments in letters to newspapers stating that our language is being destroyed, deformed and reduced to an almost unrecognizable remnant of its former and rightful glory. These are of course not new sentiments; laments like this are found throughout history....change in language is inevitable, and this make complaints against language changes both futile and silly. All languages change all the time (except dead ones). Language change is just a fact of life; it cannot be prevented or avoided. All the worries and fears notwithstanding, life always goes on with no obvious ill-effects in spite of linguistic change.Indeed, the changes going on today which so distress some in our society are exactly the same kind and character as many past changes about which there has been much complaint and worry as they were taking place but the results of which today are considered enriching aspects of the modern language. The beauty (or lack thereof) that comes from linguistic change may be in the eye (better said, in the ear) of the beholder, but language change is not really good or bad; mostly it just is. Since it is always taking place, those who oppose ongoing changes would do their stress levels well just to make peace with the inevitability of language change." Lyle Campbell, Historical Linguistics, pgs. 3-4 Thoughts?
HappyJackWagon Posted September 16, 2015 Posted September 16, 2015 That's where the Holy Spirit enters in. Each bishop has special powers of discernment and should exercise them. Yet we often hear of abuses and harmful counsel given by bishops utilizing this "power" of discernment. So maybe that power of discernment isn't very reliable or at the very least is inconsistent based on the leader. So I guess everyone should judge their bishop on whether or not he has this power. The truth is Bishops do not speak for the church. They don't have that authority. So they do not have the ability to give authoritative answers, whether or not they have the "power" of discernment. 2
stemelbow Posted September 16, 2015 Posted September 16, 2015 I don't think priesthood leaders should ignore things. When a bishop is working with someone who is struggling with doubts, I think he should proceed on the assumption that the individual has a sincere, straightforward, good faith basis for expressing such doubts. But I think it's possible for a person to not vent concerns altogether in good faith, and that a bishop may be able to perceive that through the course of various discussions, through the individual's responses to the bishop's counsel, and through the Spirit. If, at that point, the bishop feels that good faith and sincerity is not fully present, it may be appropriate to address that. It does not seem to make sense at all for a bishop to disregard information and signals that the person is not sincere. While a much better approach than just assuming someone is evil because he/she questions, I still find this problematic. Everyone's sincere about something. Even if one just wants to prove the Church wrong, there is sincerity there. I have been speaking of a person expressing concerns to a bishop. Not online discussions. Thanks, -Smac Perhaps some of the biggest hurt has been had in such discussions, though. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 I suggest simply letting such things slide...They are of no real substance or consequence, IMO. "We read laments in letters to newspapers stating that our language is being destroyed, deformed and reduced to an almost unrecognizable remnant of its former and rightful glory. These are of course not new sentiments; laments like this are found throughout history....change in language is inevitable, and this make complaints against language changes both futile and silly. All languages change all the time (except dead ones). Language change is just a fact of life; it cannot be prevented or avoided. All the worries and fears notwithstanding, life always goes on with no obvious ill-effects in spite of linguistic change.Indeed, the changes going on today which so distress some in our society are exactly the same kind and character as many past changes about which there has been much complaint and worry as they were taking place but the results of which today are considered enriching aspects of the modern language. The beauty (or lack thereof) that comes from linguistic change may be in the eye (better said, in the ear) of the beholder, but language change is not really good or bad; mostly it just is. Since it is always taking place, those who oppose ongoing changes would do their stress levels well just to make peace with the inevitability of language change." Lyle Campbell, Historical Linguistics, pgs. 3-4 Thoughts?I disagree that "language change is not really good or bad". Some changes enrich the language; others corrupt it. But I've already pointed out that discussion of this is derailing the thread; I suggest it be taken up in a thread of its own.
Scott Lloyd Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) Good grief, I was just trying to better understand your opinion.Why does it upset you so that someone might incorporate by reference the opinions of another in the expression his own? Or why wouldn't the fact that I embrace someone else's opinion help you to understand mine? Edited September 17, 2015 by Scott Lloyd
hagoth7 Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) Hi Scott,I disagree that "language change is not really good or bad"....OK. I'm fine with whatever you choose to believe on the matter. ...I suggest it be taken up in a thread of its own.I'll pass. Back to our regularly scheduled broadcast... Edited September 17, 2015 by hagoth7
ttribe Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 Why does it upset you so that someone might incorporate by reference the opinions of another in the expression his own?Or why wouldn't the fact that I embrace someone else's opinion help you to understand mine?Let's just move on.
Duncan Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 The Text is now up! https://www.lds.org/prophets-and-apostles/unto-all-the-world/to-the-saints-in-the-utah-south-area?cid=HP_TH_9-17-2015_dCN_fCNWS_xLIDyL2-1_〈=eng
Calm Posted September 18, 2015 Author Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) Excellent, I can post a quote now:"When I have a question that I cannot answer, I turn to those who can help me. The Church is blessed with trained scholars and those who have devoted a lifetime of study, who have come to know our history and the scriptures. These thoughtful men and women provide context and background so we can better understand our sacred past and our current practices.The Church is dedicated to transparency and has donated precious resources to provide new insights and offer even more context to the story of the Restoration through the Joseph Smith Papers website and the “Gospel Topics” essays on LDS.org. It is a remarkable time to study Church history and doctrine with abundant resources and experts providing helpful background and understanding of our past." Edited September 18, 2015 by Calm 4
hagoth7 Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 The quote that stands out for me at the moment is: “The Book of Mormon reminds us, “Now there was a strict law among the people of the church, that there should not any man [or woman], belonging to the church, arise and persecute those that did not belong to the church.” 1
Senator Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) "When I have a question that I cannot answer, I turn to those who can help me. The Church is blessed with trained scholars and those who have devoted a lifetime of study, who have come to know our history and the scriptures. These thoughtful men and women provide context and background so we can better understand our sacred past and our current practices. The Church is dedicated to transparency [now] and has donated precious resources to provide new insights and offer even more context to the story of the Restoration through the Joseph Smith Papers website and the “Gospel Topics” essays on LDS.org. It is a remarkable time to study Church history and doctrine with abundant resources and experts providing helpful background and understanding of our past." "now" is my insertion and not original to the quote (My apologies for not noting so) Edited September 19, 2015 by Senator
Calm Posted September 18, 2015 Author Posted September 18, 2015 Please remove my name from the quote you are altering as someone else might assume I did it if they are not paying close attention. 2
Scott Lloyd Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Excellent, I can post a quote now:"When I have a question that I cannot answer, I turn to those who can help me. The Church is blessed with trained scholars and those who have devoted a lifetime of study, who have come to know our history and the scriptures. These thoughtful men and women provide context and background so we can better understand our sacred past and our current practices.The Church is dedicated to transparency and has donated precious resources to provide new insights and offer even more context to the story of the Restoration through the Joseph Smith Papers website and the “Gospel Topics” essays on LDS.org. It is a remarkable time to study Church history and doctrine with abundant resources and experts providing helpful background and understanding of our past."I am here on assignment covering the dedication tomorrow of the Priesthood Restoration Site at Harmony (now Oakland Township), Pennsylvania. Some of you "transparency" devotees may be interested in the following: This afternoon, some of us media types toured the site. Inside the structure that replicates the farm home where Joseph and Emma lived there is a desk that is made to look as it might have looked back in the day when Joseph and Emma were living there and Joseph had just taken a break from the work of translating the Book of Mormon. On the desk is a hat. I asked specifically if it is intended to represent the hat into which Joseph placed the seer stone while translating the record. The visitors' center director replied in the affirmative, then explained that Joseph employed a number of methods of translation -- Urim and Thummim, seer stone, direct revelation -- and that throughout the history of God's dealings with his people, He has often used objects as teaching tools. I thought it was a very good answer. Your reporter was pleased with it. 3
Scott Lloyd Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Please remove my name from the quote you are altering as someone else might assume I did it if they are not paying close attention.And while you're at it, make it clear that you have altered the quote, lest someone think that's how it was stated in the meeting. 1
Senator Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Deleted Edited September 19, 2015 by Senator
Calm Posted September 19, 2015 Author Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Thank you very much for changing it. Edited September 21, 2015 by Calm
cynth Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Sorry, but this is another pet peeve of mine. Unless you have a defect in your sense of touch, it should be "I feel bad for the bishops ...." Feel is what is known as a linking verb. It links the subject I to its predicate adjective bad. Since bad in this instance modifies a noun and not a verb, it needs to take the adjective form bad, not the adverb form badly. Here is some information on linking verbs. And here is a list of linking verbs in addition to feel.Funny, people who interrupt a conversation to give a grammar lesson are a pet peeve of mine! 1
Scott Lloyd Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Funny, people who interrupt a conversation to give a grammar lesson are a pet peeve of mine! So who's interrupting now?
Teancum Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) I am here on assignment covering the dedication tomorrow of the Priesthood Restoration Site at Harmony (now Oakland Township), Pennsylvania.Some of you "transparency" devotees may be interested in the following:This afternoon, some of us media types toured the site. Inside the structure that replicates the farm home where Joseph and Emma lived there is a desk that is made to look as it might have looked back in the day when Joseph and Emma were living there and Joseph had just taken a break from the work of translating the Book of Mormon.On the desk is a hat. I asked specifically if it is intended to represent the hat into which Joseph placed the seer stone while translating the record. The visitors' center director replied in the affirmative, then explained that Joseph employed a number of methods of translation -- Urim and Thummim, seer stone, direct revelation -- and that throughout the history of God's dealings with his people, He has often used objects as teaching tools.I thought it was a very good answer. Your reporter was pleased with it.Wonderful! Too bad up till now this has not been the case. Edited September 20, 2015 by Teancum
cynth Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 So who's interrupting now?Contribute to the discussion rather than criticizing the poster. You will be removed from the thread unless you contribute to the topic.
Calm Posted September 19, 2015 Author Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) I am the one who started the thread...grammar lessons are almost always welcomed in my threads...as long as they don't get into back and forths. Edited September 19, 2015 by Calm
HappyJackWagon Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Contribute to the discussion rather than criticizing the poster. You will be removed from the thread unless you contribute to the topic. Really?
Senator Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Really? There is a pecking order here. Prepare to be pecked..... 1
Calm Posted September 21, 2015 Author Posted September 21, 2015 Please stay off personal topics as those are ones I do consider off topic...then everyone will be happy, me, mods, people who want to talk about the talk as well as grammar....
cynth Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Contribute to the discussion rather than criticizing the poster. You will be removed from the thread unless you contribute to the topic.Ok, please note that my comment was a quote from a mod-Scott is attacking me inappropriately and I would like you to enforce the rules fairly. how can I be removed from a thread for stating exactly what your policy is and asking Scott to follow it? if you remove me I assume you will remove Scott also, assuming you really do follow your rules of inviting nonLDS to participate and be treated respectfully.
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